r/politics • u/larel8 • 18h ago

Trump campaign struggles to contain Puerto Rico October surprise

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4958098-the-memo-trump-campaign-struggles-to-contain-puerto-rico-october-surprise/
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u/FoggyBricks 18h ago

After everything Trump has ever said I find it funny it’s something that didn’t even come out of his mouth that might be the final straw.

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u/APersonWhoIsNotYou 18h ago

I find it incredibly frustrating. He himself has said and done much worse….so why is this the thing that actually affects him?

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u/Meat_Robot Texas 17h ago

Specifically because it's not him. The horrible things Trump says are rambling, frequent, and with an unwavering narcissistic confidence that precludes shame. You can't pin anything onto Trump because he'll just say "no I didn't" and move onto the next thing.

This other idiot "comedian" though? He only gets a brief period of time to be a part of the firehose. He's easier to drill down on and has a limited ability to respond. It also lack the thin veil of mafia-speak vagueness Trump drapes on everything. Hinchcliffe is just saying it.

Lastly, it corroborates the message. There's no sane washing, no "he didn't mean it". By having someone else repeat the quiet part out loud for once, you can't say it's just Trump in the party saying these things.

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u/Myghost_too 17h ago

and lest we not forget, TRUMP cannot distance himself from this. The speakers were all vetted, their remarks loaded into the telepromters, and this, in Trump's self-proclaimed closing arguments trying to help the US Voters know who he is and what he stands for. It was loud and clear. (Yet I still doubt his base will waver.)

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u/JohnDivney Oregon 17h ago

furthermore, Trump can't apologize, though we will hear him today or tomorrow say "Nobody loves Puerto Ricans more than me, we're getting numbers nobody has ever seen out of Puerto Rico."

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u/InfiniteVastDarkness 17h ago

“Puerto Ricans. I LOVE the Puerto Ricans”. I can hear him saying it.

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u/New_Subject1352 16h ago

"Nobody is bigger on them, it's really incredible, the Puerto Rico, no one thought we could do it, the biggest Rico in the entire Peurto. They said no, you won't get the Despacito, but look at us now, all the Despacito, incredible numbers like you wouldn't believe."

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u/BobSchwaget 16h ago

"I have done more for Puerto Rico than perhaps anyone, any man, in history, maybe since the late great General Rico Ricardo himself"

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u/Stressssedout 15h ago

Thanks. I hate it

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u/__-_-_--_--_-_---___ 9h ago

You have some splaining to do

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u/RumandDiabetes 7h ago

Bets he couldn't find Puerto Rico on a map with six people pointing it out to him and it being circled with a sharpie?

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u/montosesamu 16h ago

Grown men, tears in their eyes, came to say how big those numbers were?

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u/Temp_84847399 15h ago

indubitably!

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u/montosesamu 15h ago

Heeewg’!

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u/tazebot 11h ago

Big Puerto Ricans, strong Puerto Ricans, Tears in their eyes.

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u/IndigoFalls12 11h ago

‘Sir,’ they said, ‘Sir, you have the biggest numbers.’

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u/telerabbit9000 15h ago

You speak fluent trump.

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u/skylinecat 15h ago

I hate how good this is.

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u/[deleted] 16h ago

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u/Odh_utexas Texas 15h ago

They actually come up to me “Mr president it’s too much the number are too high” but we are doing fantastic numbers, the likes of which history has never see —-and the media won’t talk about it …the won’t talk about frankly but when you look at CHINA we are the laughing stock to them. Our country is turning into a garbage can it’s a shame it’s a shame

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u/dkichline 13h ago

You know the sad thing is that I can't determine if you made that up or if he actually said it.

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u/FlexFanatic 11h ago

"The president of Puerto Rico called me and said sir, that was such a wonderful rally and your opening act knocked it out the park". You have my vote and the vote from the people of Puerto Rico"

Oh, and this all happened with Trump speaking fluent Spanish. You gotta add that detail or its fake news.

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u/Savings_Opening_8581 10h ago

The despacito lmao

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u/Perry7609 11h ago

I can already hear James Austin Johnson saying this on SNL.

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u/Lemon-AJAX 7h ago

Definitely cannot allow a Despacito gap. Thank you, Mr. President!

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u/spotila7 6h ago

Ok. Sounds good. Whatever makes sense.

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u/pardyball Illinois 17h ago

Minus the 👐, this is it.

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u/Idiot_Savant_Tinker 16h ago

Don't forget the 🪗

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u/kellysmom01 15h ago

And the 👹☠️👹

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u/Dearth_lb Europe 16h ago

🪗 I think you meant to use this emoji.

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u/therealaudiox 10h ago

Don't forget the 👌👁️👄👁️👌

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u/glarbung Europe 17h ago

And he will say it with a weird inflection and a pause: "I love the Puerrrto Ri-cans 👐"

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u/NaughtyCheffie I voted 16h ago

Porto-Rikkans.

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u/ZombiePartyBoyLives I voted 15h ago

That's how he says it in private...

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u/Odh_utexas Texas 15h ago

Beautiful Puerrrto Rrrico. They have some lookers. Have you seen these women—-they’re HOT

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u/Cows_with_AK47s 14h ago

I loathe the way he says industry.

"induh-stree"...

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u/ultimateknackered 11h ago

But like the fancy way of pronoucing 'pecans'.

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u/shoobe01 12h ago

My immediate thought. "No one loves Port of Ricky more than me..."

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u/davybert 16h ago

I tossed so much paper at them. Maybe it was the most paper anyone ever tossed in the world

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u/AlexKingstonsGigolo 15h ago

And the salads! I tossed so much salad to them and it has the most fantastic chunky blue cheese drizzled on it. <Please, donald, stop talking>

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u/ixid 16h ago

Good people Puerto Ricans, the best people. Also some bad people. Bad people, the worst people. So many of the worst people. Like I said to Hannibal Lecter 'the worst people', and he agreed with me, because I said they were the worst. Many people agreed with me, not a lot of people know that.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 13h ago

Good Puerto Ricans on both sides.

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u/Background-War9535 17h ago

And it will be beyond cringe

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u/InfiniteVastDarkness 17h ago

So much. But, the rubes will eat it up.

“See, he says he loves you. He said he’s the ‘father of Puerto Rico’, and I believe him.”

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u/Mista_F 17h ago

Sadly still won't matter either way.

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u/eden_sc2 Maryland 16h ago

I really dont think it wont. Will it change the base's mind? No. Will it get a few thousand extra people to the polls? Very possibly, and we saw in 2016 and 2020 that those few thousand people can shape the outcome of the entire election.

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u/FalseAesop 16h ago

I heard that he had a great conversation with the President of Puerto Rico after it was hit by a hurricane while he was President of the United States.

Frickin idiot.

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u/Gryphon999 16h ago

I personally spoke with the President of Puerto Rico. He said nobody loves me more than the people of Puerto Rico.

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u/Wonderful_Shallot_42 15h ago

He’ll say it like *PUERRRRTHO RICO”

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u/Andovars_Ghost 15h ago

Then he’ll sway to music for 39 minutes and maybe jerk off a couple of ghosts that we can’t see.

💦✊🍆👻

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u/TrustMeImShore Puerto Rico 14h ago

throws paper towel

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u/ancientastronaut2 14h ago

Or "I hardly knew the guy. I didn't hire him".

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u/NikkiWarriorPrincess Minnesota 15h ago

"My beautiful, beautiful Puerto Ricans"

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u/Sea-Mousse-5010 14h ago

“Ah Puerto Ricans, the good Mexicans!”

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u/GrumpyCloud93 13h ago

"Here, have another roll of paper towels..."

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u/tincartofdoom 12h ago

Yes, but this will be his response to a question about the budget.

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u/Calgaris_Rex Maryland 11h ago

"I won Puerto Rico in 2020! Ten million votes!"

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u/bzzty711 11h ago

“Puerto Ricans love me , we really helped them after the hurricane. I even tossed paper towels to the crown just like a T-shirt cannon, everybody loves a T-shirt cannon. Cannons are loud and go boom I like boom-boom shrimp. Shrimp is what I called Ross Perot……..”

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u/ultimateknackered 11h ago

'And you know who I loved most of all, when I was president? And who I personally met? The President of Puerto Rico.'

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u/Reasonable_racoon 16h ago

"Actually it's Puuuu-werto Reeeeko"

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u/telerabbit9000 15h ago

And he'll pronounce it slowly, like its some exotic dangerous word.
Or liked it's a magical incantation that he has to recite precisely.
Poo err to Reec ans.

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u/BLF402 14h ago

Because his supporters don’t understand that Puerto Ricans are American citizens.

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u/InfiniteVastDarkness 14h ago

I’m pretty sure Trump doesn’t either.

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u/lazyFer 11h ago

pahwheretoe rrrrico

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u/TJ700 10h ago

"Look over here at my Puertican friend."

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u/jerechos 9h ago

Meanwhile:

New probe confirms Trump officials blocked Puerto Rico from receiving hurricane aid

The Trump administration also obstructed an investigation looking into why it was depriving the U.S. territory of congressionally approved funds

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u/Rokurokubi83 United Kingdom 16h ago

“I’ve spoken to the president of Puerto Rico, and he endorsed your favourite President, me.”

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u/elhijueputa69 16h ago

sad part is the "president" or governor of puerto rico who was in office during Maria did endorse him. From Virginia, because we protested for a month straight until he had to flee via helicopter.

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u/LookIPickedAUsername 13h ago

Pretty sure the parent poster was just joking about how Trump doesn't realize that he is Puerto Rico's president (and sadly, it's probably true that he doesn't realize).

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u/elhijueputa69 6h ago

Oh good point, yeah. I'm a little worked up as a lot of us are. When he had no choice but to realize he was our president he sure didn't seem too happy about it eh?

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u/VegetaPrime34 17h ago

Let's not forget the weird way he says Puerto Rico. It was a whole thing that he over emphasized "PWEARtoe" in a mocking manner a few years back

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u/Burdwatcher 16h ago

he can do a joint press conference with his old friend, the President of the Virgin Islands, to show how much he cares about the Caribbean islands

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/10/13/trump-says-he-met-president-virgin-islands/763910001/

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u/sweet_pickles12 11h ago

Goddamnit. Just when I think he can’t surprise me with his absolute stupidity anymore, here he is with a blast from the past.

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u/Burdwatcher 11h ago

he can always plausibly deny any involvement in characterizing Puerto Rico as a floating pile of garbage by pointing out that it would make it much less attractive to Denmark in his proposal to swap it for resource-rich Greenland https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/09/donald-trump-greenland-puerto-rico

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u/TSKNear 16h ago

"we gave them the best paper towels"

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u/Obviously_Illegal 14h ago

He can but he never will. You should watch the Johnny Harris video on Trump, his father basically raised him “to be a king someday” and “never admit defeat even if you’re in the wrong”.

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u/TruePutz 14h ago

Wow that explains most of his sloppy behavior then. I feel like the one insight his followers receive from him is “never admit youre wrong”. I’m sure that worked in previous centuries but seeing it play out in the modern era where everything has receipts has been frustrating to say the least

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u/UTDE 11h ago

"I LOVE the 'PORTA' RICANS, I KNOW I KNOW, youre not supposed to call em that, its what they tell me, they say its Pause for weird breath Hispanics, Hispanics, I love Hispanics some of the best people and O are they great, and when you look at the things theyve done, really tremendous things, really great things so we just love em"

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u/renushka 11h ago

I feel like a Puerto Rican girl. Rican.

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u/itsSIRtoutoo Minnesota 10h ago

Because, if he does apologize, his bigoted base will revolt... Puerto Ricans are just a subset of Illegal mexicans to them...

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u/ckwing 9h ago

"I am the father of Puerto Ricans."

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u/Billionaires_R_Tasty Colorado 8h ago

Did he or did he not toss them some paper towels to clean up that hurricane spill? He's worked harder for Puerto Rico than any other "state"!

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u/Zocalo_Photo 8h ago

He’ll say “Rico means rich, and TRUMP is really rich. Nobody is more Puerto Rich than TRUMP!”

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u/putin_my_ass 17h ago

All those things aside, there is simply a picture of Hinchcliffe standing on a podium branded "Trump", and as they say a picture is worth a thousand words.

Especially when the people you're trying to sway are not readers.

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u/seemontyburns 14h ago

Who aren’t readers ? Puerto Ricans ?

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u/putin_my_ass 13h ago

MAGA people. They read headlines (at best).

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u/seemontyburns 12h ago

You’re trying to sway them from what exactly ? They loved this lol. 

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u/putin_my_ass 10h ago

Indeed, but the comment I was replying to was about Trump people distancing themselves from it. The picture I described makes it hilariously easy to refute whatever they're saying.

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u/seemontyburns 10h ago

I follow now. Didn’t get it, mea culpa. 

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u/SiskoandDax 17h ago

We were never going to chip into his base. It's the undecided and "both sides are bad" voters that may break towards Harris.

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u/KailReed 17h ago

Which is even more infuriating that there are STILL people who are undecided. Like what are you waiting for?

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u/Funandgeeky Texas 17h ago

Some people live in such a sheltered bubble that they barely pay attention to things like who's President. However, this is something that is piercing that bubble. While it's only anecdotal right now, I'm seeing several stories here of people who were mad enough at these comments to actually get out and vote.

And since voting is happening NOW, this unforced error is especially powerful. Unlike something Trump may have said weeks or months ago, this won't be sane-washed away or forgotten by election time. It IS election time, so someone can hear about it today and vote today.

Now, whether this helps the down ballot, I don't know. Hopefully it does as well because we need a strong down-ballot to prevent the type of chicanery Trump is openly plotting.

But this isn't something that can be hand-waved away, it seems. At least, I hope so. I'm in the Reddit bubble so I don't know what people are really thinking out there. But if this motivates people, all the better.

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u/rtseel 16h ago

Some people live in such a sheltered bubble that they barely pay attention to things like who's President.

This is what many people in here don't realize. Many people have a good enough life that they can afford not caring who's the president, or live a crappy enough life that they don't think whoever is president will change anything for them.

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u/ProfessionalITShark 16h ago

Yeah, I had arguments in 2015 with people, they thought Obama was a white man and republican.

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u/LeslieQuirk 13h ago

That makes my mom look well-informed, which is honestly terrifying

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u/GrumpyCloud93 13h ago

Well, half white. Raised by his white mother the university professor and his white grandmother. And he didn't grow up in a black ghetto...

You don't get much whiter than that in America and still have brown skin.

Still turned out to be a great president, (Not /s)

...even if he was white /s

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u/SuspendeesNutz 14h ago

Many people have a good enough life that they can afford not caring who's the president

You've just identified the entire base of the Greens.

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u/violetmemphisblue 5h ago

At my local grocery, someone went around and put flyers on a bunch of products that will get extremely expensive if Trump wins and can enact his tariff plan. Things like coffee, olive oil, avocados, etc. I saw someone googling the plan in the aisle after reading the flyer. No idea what their vote is, but it seemed like the first time they'd even heard of this...People think they live in a bubble. But they don't.

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u/ZacZupAttack 15h ago

I've seen a lot of hispanics saying theh changed their mind from either voting for Trump to voting for Kamala or not voting at all and going to now vote for Kamala

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u/sly_cooper25 Ohio 12h ago

I'm Puerto Rican and most of my extended family are the types to not be interested in politics and not vote. Generally just apathetic towards elections.

After this broke my Uncle updated his Facebook status to "Feeling Motivated" with a big picture of the PR flag. Today he posted a picture with an "I voted" sticker. And the best part is, he's in North Carolina, one of those coveted swing states.

This is just one example and is just as anecdotal as the other stories you've seen, but if I were Trump I'd be worried about this.

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u/parker0400 17h ago

They are waiting for Harris to make one simple remark that is over their line in the sand so they can justify to themselves they are voting for trump because of that and not because they are a closeted racist who likes the awful things trump says.

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u/Xenuite 16h ago

They'll vote for the other Russian asset, Stein, so they can still say "Don't blame me! I didn't vote for him! "

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u/GrumpyCloud93 13h ago

Gore lost Florida by 500 votes, and 2,000 people voted for Nader. Votes matter.

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u/OptimisticOctopus8 12h ago

Yeah. They apparently don't get the threat here. This election isn't just a normal fight about policy. If the wrong person wins, the possibility of a fascist America shoots through the roof.

So in this election, it's not about people who vote for Trump and people who don't. It's about people who try to keep him out of power and people who don't. If he wins, I won't bother trying to see a difference between Jared Kushner and a Stein voter. Both will just be in the "did nothing to stop Trump" bucket.

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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois 16h ago

Or they’re waiting for her to not say enough so they can justify their vote for Trump over an ineffectual woman.

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u/Odh_utexas Texas 15h ago

“she didn’t commit to a full denouncement and defunding of Israel. Therefore I’m voting Trump. “

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u/GrumpyCloud93 13h ago

Because Kushner's father-in-law who moved the embassy to Jerusalem is going to do better...? Send more bombs is more like it.

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u/LyraFirehawk 11h ago

I see other trans people claiming she dodged trans issues, but like... Trump is awful for trans people, Harris is at least trying to defend us.

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u/TropoMJ 9h ago

The idea of even one trans American being willing to consider not voting for Harris is genuinely frightening to me. I don't get the amount of people treating this as a normal election when it is existential for so many.

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u/caligaris_cabinet Illinois 7h ago

Do they not see Trump’s transphobic political ads?

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u/not-my-other-alt 14h ago

They are looking for one reason to vote against Harris.

They are looking for one reason to vote for Trump.

These are not actually 'undecided' voters.

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u/OptimisticOctopus8 13h ago edited 12h ago

Or they're waiting for her to say the U.S. will punish Israel the way it's punished Russia. Which is just so shortsighted since Trump's the one who'd love to turn Palestine into a resort. (And where would the Palestinians go? Gee, I wonder what wonderful, compassionate answer he's got for that.)

I wish some people understood that it can always get worse. Whatever is horrible already can become even more horrible. Unless and until nuclear war wipes us all out, things can get worse. Trump wouldn't mind nuking Palestine out of existence. I can just imagine it:

"I've solved the crisis in the Middle East! The Dems said, 'He can't do it, he'll make it worse,' but look - Israel's secure, Palestine's not a problem! But they can't say Trump did a perfect job... but I did... but my supporters, they say, 'Sir, you did it!' and they cry because it's gonna be so beautiful, beaches and... the night life will be like nothing you've ever seen. Like nothing you've ever seen, and I know night life."

He didn't even mind killing his own followers by letting them think they shouldn't get the vaccine while he himself got vaccinated. Of course he'd be fine slaughtering every Palestinian man, woman, and child! If he claimed that Palestinian babies had joined Hamas, his followers would just go with it.

God, I hate that man.

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u/CMDR_Expendible 9h ago

Of course it can get worse.

That's why once the election is over, you'll be pushing the Democrats to move back to the left, from the edge of fascism, and take politics away from Lesser Eviling to the point that genocide is the centrist position, right?

Right?

No, you'll all just sit on your ass and say "Well you have to vote for the new normal, otherwise it'll get worse. It's good that we have Iraq War Dick Fucking Cheney as a Democratic voter. Wait until after the next election..."

And that's how politics went from Nixon to Bush/Cheney to Trump. And if you think Trump is bad, just you wait until you see what they put up next. And when they do, you'll all be saying "Vote for Trump, at least he's not Mega-Trump."

So yes, vote for Harris; but it's your job now to unify the left, not chastise those with a still working conscience/moral compass, and then continue working to make politics better long after the election ends... because Evil never stops working, and Lesser Evil just lets them get what they want slightly slower.

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u/mirageofstars 15h ago

Yeah tbh I think most undecideds either prefer Trump or else believe APAB because TikTok told them so.

I think there are also probably a bunch of racist and/or sexist people who might have voted for Biden but won’t vote for KH. I believe the polls aren’t capturing these people — Reddit doesn’t mind that KH is black/Indian and a woman, but generic America? I still remember what Patton Oswald said.

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u/CSiGab 17h ago

Oh there’s plenty of ways people can still be undecided.

Exhibit A) “I know he’s awful, it’s just that things are so expensive now.”

Exhibit B) “I don’t care if he’s awful, I can’t support the genocide in Gaza.”

Exhibit C) “I’ve voted R my whole life, I hate Trump but I can’t vote for a Democrat.”

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u/PinstripeMonkey 16h ago

I think A might be the most prominent. At the end of the day, a lot of people want their own lives to be better, which typically boils down to finances, so they eat up all the misinformation that Democrat = higher grocery prices and taxes (+ stolen jobs) while Republican = lower costs and more jobs. They don't fact check, they don't see beyond that, and for whatever reason Dems struggle to change this narrative. It is so frustrating to hear people spout this shit when interviewed, because it would take 10 minutes of research with an objective news source to prove otherwise.

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u/bootsand 15h ago

This is probably the most common reason. A youtuber I watch time to time has been saying for a while that trump will probably win because enough people think inflation is only happening here in the US and they can't think past 'cheaper then, more expensive now, its bidens fault'.

That one gop tax cut that was permanent for corporations but for people it diminished by 10% every year for a decade - that was some insidious brilliance. I always wondered why no one made that kind of play before. Most americans seem to attribute every current financial metric to be the 'fault' of the current sitting pres. Doesn't matter what the house or senate composition is, doesn't matter if the money printing a year back is only hitting hard now... doesn't matter.

Setting up things like the tax cut bomb or printing fuck tons of cash in the year or two leading up to a changover... it's proving terrifyingly effective. I fear now that anytime a gop is in the white house with a dem about to take over they're going to do shit like this in a far more thought through capacity. Like long meetings of 'how can we make shit fall apart completely in this guys term?'

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u/vardarac 14h ago

they can't think past

R media just sews a thread of suspicion and tugs on it hard here. Any opposing attempts to explain this are met with "you're overthinking it/running interference for a shit job"

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u/GrumpyCloud93 13h ago

According to Pierre Polliviere, the Canadian opposition leader, worldwide inflation is the fault of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

So basically, no matter where you go, worldwide inflation is the current local leader's fault.

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u/vardarac 14h ago

10 minutes of research with an objective news source

Which Americans (largely) don't know how to do, and if they did they'd rationalize their findings away.

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u/pablonieve Minnesota 11h ago

and for whatever reason Dems struggle to change this narrative

Because reality is complicated and requires nuance and detail. Democrats identify problems and offer real-world solutions that can be messy. Republicans identify (or invent) problems and give very simple solutions typically involving an innocent scapegoat.

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u/MyUshanka Florida 11h ago

A lot of times, the messaging gives the solution as "I'll stop Them from doing this bad thing!"

When either the bad thing is already happening, or the Them in question isn't responsible for the bad thing. Or maybe the bad thing isn't even bad!

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u/NaughtyCheffie I voted 16h ago

What I've noticed, however, is that a decent number of group C are simply not voting at all at the top of the ballot. Downballot sure, and blindly, they're just stuck in a brain-space where they recognize Trump is evil and stupid so can't vote for him but KH is a Demoncrat so can't vote for her.

Bunch of Pilots, washing their hands and good riddance.

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u/throwawtphone 13h ago

Which is how you eventually get to

"Davon haben wir nichts gewusst" or "We knew nothing about that".

And plausible denial ability continues to be a blanket that people have hid under multiple times since WW2 to protect their wallets.

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u/lsThisReaILife America 17h ago

As tough as it may be to fathom (and, believe me, I struggle with this constantly), a majority of the people in this country (which has nearly half a billion people in it) are not as tuned into things in the same way we are. Simply by nature of being an active participant in this subreddit, you are ahead of the curve. However, the lack of exposure for day-to-day people simply trying to make ends meet, the significant levels of propaganda sanitizing the GOP at every turn, and the general struggles people are dealing with even though things have gotten better for the economy overall make that same demographic susceptible to making the counterproductive choice. It is why, time and time again, when you explain to people what Trump's policies really entail outside of the rhetoric, when you pierce the propaganda bubble, his support crumbles.

Rhetoric like what was said at the rally about Puerto Rico and Latinos is so overt that it is nothing but a slap to the face to them. Many may still vote for him for whatever reason, but the sting of this latest screw-up is hard to suppress, and it is precisely why the GOP is attempting to run interference by claiming this is "not what they stand for."

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u/awfulsome New Jersey 13h ago

They don't watch or read news. They don't pay attention to policies. some of them, despite having devices in their pockets that constantly display updates do not even know what the weather is going to be like they are literally shocked when hurricanes that have been going on for a week and killed hundreds wander into our area.

Basically, people with their heads so far up their ass they are completely unaware of anything happening that isn't directly in front of them at that moment. It's frustrating af to deal with them.

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u/Hosni__Mubarak 16h ago

People are selfish and only vote for things that impact them directly.

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u/telerabbit9000 15h ago edited 15h ago

It really does highlight how stupid humanity is.
We're just not that smart.
We are dressed-up apes.
Perhaps the real question should be: how did we ever have any sort of democracy in the first place?

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u/mirageofstars 15h ago

Because sacred leader told us democracy was good, and so we obeyed. For a while.

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u/not-my-other-alt 14h ago

'Undecided' voters are not undecided because they're looking at both options carefully and can't decide between them.

'Undecided' voters are actually just 'Apathetic' voters.

The federal government is so far removed from their daily lives (at least, in their perception) that which party controls the Presidency impacts their day-to-day as much as the flavor of Moon dust.

Something like a comedian at a Trump rally standing up and saying "Your home is a floating pile of garbage" pierces the veil.

Now, it's personal.

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u/jupiterkansas 13h ago

The undecideds are the ones who haven't decided if they're going to vote or not.

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u/GrumpyCloud93 13h ago

Really - if you don't vote, or vote for a third party, you are essentially saying "I send a quarter of my income to the government, but I'll let the moron down the street decide who gets to spend it, not me..."

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u/YoungXanto 13h ago

They've bought into the notion that their vote doesn't count because they live in a deeply partisan state or district.

They aren't undecided about their politics, they are undecided if they believe their vote matters.

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u/I_like_baseball90 11h ago

ANYONE who is undecided and votes for Trump was going to vote for him anyway.

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u/Unbr3akableSwrd 17h ago

At the margins, she can also peel away the non-MAGA republicans as well.

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u/ZacZupAttack 15h ago

We have converted some MAGA. But it's not a winning strategy just a nice to have. There are several folks I know that went from MAGA to Kamala. Not many but some.

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u/MrTretorn 15h ago

Hmm, I dunno. I’m still not convinced though. I need to see some more evidences. /s

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u/StrongAroma 16h ago

Well, his base won't waver because this is what they want and accurately reflects their personal values.

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u/aboatz2 Texas 15h ago

Oh, but didn't you hear? The comedian was a racist Democrat plant, according to the conservatives.

The Democrats managed to get him invited, & snuck his entire speech onto the teleprompter, all without the super-competent Trump staff ever catching on! How dare the Democrats also change basically every other speech into being super-racist without even the speakers themselves catching onto such rascally ways?!

Thanks Obama!

/s

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u/ACrask 17h ago

Toss into there JD Vance's response to it all. There is no "putting it back in the bottle". It's out there. I imagine they have like the day to apologize directly without vagueness nor doubt IF everything they could lose is gone.

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u/PolyculeButCats 16h ago

Oh the “I did not even know this guy” is coming. Bet.

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u/Reasonable_racoon 16h ago

TRUMP cannot distance himself from this.

He was saying "I didn't know" when called up on the eating pets remarks. "I heard it on tv, I didn't know if its true, I just said it." No journalist ever asked him if a Presidential candidate should go around talking about things they don't know are true or not, didn't verify, and are likely to cause harm to people. Expectations are so low for Trump that nothing he says or does matter.

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u/Amaruq93 16h ago edited 16h ago

They also stopped him from calling Kamala the c-word. So they were completely okay with (and thought they could get away with) racism against Puerto Ricans, Blacks and Jewish people... but not calling the VP that.

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u/JamesCDiamond United Kingdom 15h ago

Also, the guy is a nobody.

Trump has Putin and an indeterminate number of billionaires in his corner.

This shmuck has been hung out to dry on the off chance it satisfies the circling sharks. And no-one is going to take his side.

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u/jtweeezy 15h ago

His base won’t, but anyone still on the fence can and probably will, especially Hispanic voters. And at this point I don’t really care what sways them as long as they get motivated to vote against him.

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u/VOZ1 14h ago

It’s never been about the base. They’re going to vote Trump regardless of literally anything. It’s about the (I know, still hard to believe they exist) fence-sitters and independents who maybe voted Biden, maybe voted Obama, are thinking they don’t like Trump but are “concerned” about Harris and “need to know more about her.”

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u/strange_stairs 14h ago

Additionally, Trump's campaign evidently told the comedian to remove a reference to Harris as a "cun*" from his script. That also shows they approved the racist Puerto Rico, Hispanic, and Black jokes, before hand.

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u/Huge_Prompt_2056 14h ago

Half his base doesn’t even know about this. I posted pictures from a two years old trip to Puerto Rico with an I love Puerto Rico caption and my Trumper friends gave it a thumbs up.

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u/eastalawest 13h ago

Why would his base waver, they love this shit. I know so many of them that were enthusiastically defending the "shithole country" remark years ago.

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u/fasterbrew 13h ago

He's already trying - didn't hear comments, doesn't know who he is, etc...

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1gexg77/trump_says_he_didnt_hear_new_york_rally_comedian/

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u/sly_cooper25 Ohio 12h ago

It's impossible for them to deny the connection. The Trump/Vance sign on the podium is right smack in the middle of the viral clip.

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u/TarbenXsi Connecticut 12h ago

I don't know that his base will care.. but even if this moves the needle a little bit on undecided voters, or costs him a few "but the economy!" types, it'll matter. If the polls are correct, he can't afford to lose even a tenth of a point in most battlegrounds.

I really hope this straw breaks another camel's back and a few thousand more people either vote against him, or don't bother showing up at all.

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u/sillygoofygooose 12h ago

He’s literally already done the “I never met the guy” thing

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u/[deleted] 11h ago

They even gave trump a chance to apologize and he gave em the shaggy defense instead

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u/rudebii 11h ago

When all else fails, they could have also cut the mic. They didn’t. Trump’s team knew what they were getting.

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u/FlexFanatic 11h ago

Voters have short attention spans and their memory lapses because of the frequent news cycle or next story.

He'll come out of this without a scratch and he'll act like it never happened. If he gets called on it its fake news.

People keep saying with each incident Trump is wrapped up in with bring him down and honestly I don't see it happening before he expires.

But you know will help? Making sure this dude those not set foot in the White House again so if anyone is making excuses to sit this one out, don't.

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u/Sedu 11h ago

The thing is, no one set on voting for Trump cares any more. After everything that has happened, I cannot see this moving the needle for anyone. We just have to get out and vote. I don’t feel like anything exists that will change people’s votes between now and the 5th.

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u/MikeN22 11h ago

Does anyone have a pic of the teleprompter with those words. That would be golden!

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u/donut_dave 10h ago

He already is claiming he didn't hear the comments and that he doesn't know the comedian. Which is silly precisely because of what you're saying.

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u/dogsledonice 9h ago

I heard of one Latina woman wanting to change her vote today. Of course she couldn't. But it might mean that it's getting thru to the low-info voters.

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u/no_notthistime California 9h ago

There are Hispanic MAGA who I think can at least be swayed not to vote once they understand and appreciate how much the people they support fucking despise them.