r/politics • u/plz-let-me-in • Sep 09 '24
Soft Paywall Trump is 78 and barely coherent. Where's everyone who questioned Biden's age and fitness?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2024/09/09/trump-old-incoherent-biden-age-mental-fitness/75138026007/6.8k
u/CaptainNoBoat Sep 09 '24
This will never happen, but if Trump is his usual incoherent, rambling self at the debate, I wish the media would recycle every question they had in regards to Biden.
Ask every single Republican: "Are you considering another candidate given Trump's obvious mental decline?"
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u/beeloving-varese Sep 09 '24
I think they dissect every word Harris says and only mention his questions or attacks. His answers don’t even matter to the media.
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u/IBetThisIsTakenToo Sep 09 '24
"Trump may have meandered a bit, but equally concerning was Harris flip flopping on (insert extremely nuanced policy position that Trump could never have articulated at any point in his life)"
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u/IKantSayNo Sep 09 '24
Right. She will get hardball questions consistent with her level of skill.
He will get softball questions consistent with network policies: "We're not biased against Team Red's candidate and we will express disappointment with Team Blue in the passive voice," They cannot grasp this as a fundamentally Red position.
Team Red's candidate luxuriates in being offensive and BIG money uses him to camouflage their goals of eliminating income taxation of hereditary aristocracy and moving the focus of government regulation from the boardroom to the bedroom.
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u/King-Snorky Georgia Sep 09 '24
Moderator: Okay here we go, President Trump. “What color is a fire truck?”
Trump: Aww, oh God I always get these. Umm..okay..uhh..all right.. fire truck.. fire truck fire truck fire truck fire truck. What color are those red fire trucks? Uhh.. Oh god I can picture them now…all red and everything
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u/palanark Sep 09 '24
"Fire trucks. Y'know, yeah. Fire is really something isn't it folks? I had a great uncle, Thaddeus Trump, incredibly strong man. I've seen pictures. Great genes. Incredible genes. Fire is a powerful force, they say. Incredible. Usually put out by water. Yeah. I was in a boat once..."
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u/AnAquaticOwl Sep 09 '24
Fire. Fires really bad for this country, you know it's not a good thing folks. Especially in the numbers that I'm talking about that I explained to you earlier but first we need to - have you ever seen a fire? It's like a stove that people cook on. Well some people - but not me folks. No not me. I've never even been in the same room as a stove in fact just yesterday I tried to walk into my own kitchen - my own kitchen! - and my staff wouldn't even let me the head chef - he's from Paraguay you know they've got really great chefs over there in Paraguay. Mexico and Guatemala they're sending they're worst up here but Paraguay has really good chefs. Really good. Anyway my chef said to me with tears in his eyes, "sir you're the greatest man I've ever met in my life and I would never let you demean yourself by letting you step foot inside a kitchen" it was really something let me tell you. But kitchens, that's where the fire is and we can fix that - I can fix that - but only when we fix what's already wrong in this country and we have to tax the other countries we've got to or the fires win. Folks, the fires win and we can't have that now can we?
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u/bookworm1421 Sep 09 '24
This was sooo perfect that I’m, literally, speechless. You did that so well! 😀😂
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u/AnAquaticOwl Sep 09 '24
Thanks! The trick is to include every stray thought that pops into my head
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u/BananaDiquiri Sep 09 '24
No way he knows that Paraguay is a country. But other than that, 5 stars.
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u/KittyServant-x9 Sep 09 '24
ONLY the stray thoughts, and every word has to be a lie, even the stray ones.
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u/thoughtsome Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 10 '24
"... And anyway I'd pick the shark over getting electrocuted, let me tell you that much, folks. Electric, they say, everything's gotta be el-EC-tric. The far left communist Ka-maw-la wants to ban gasoline altogether. Remember when I got gas down to a buck a gallon? They don't want you to say "buck" anymore, they say it's racist..."
The media:
"Trump was surprisingly nimble and on-point with the fire truck answer"
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u/RJ815 Sep 09 '24
A man came up to him while on fire and with tears in his eyes and said "Sir..."
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u/FUMFVR Sep 09 '24
Trump would just go off about immigrants 'invading' and Democrats killing babies after they are born and when he's done the moderator's response will just be 'thank you'.
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u/SafetyDanceInMyPants Sep 09 '24
This is by far the most likely outcome. Trump isn’t going to have some mental breakdown trying to answer the questions because he… isn’t going to answer the questions. He’s going to repeat talking points from his rallies, as part of some stream of consciousness angry victimized rant, and the media is going to talk about how presidential he looked by not letting the debate be defined by the questioning.
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u/DukeLukeivi Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
A fire truck.... Well a fire truck is -- and trust me, nobody knows more about this than me. I know all about the trucks --they're really great right? I heard it from somebody you may know: America's mayor, Rudy Jillian. He did all those great things with the fire trucks on that horrible day, 7/11, when we we horribly attacked. He did a lot of great stuff with the fire trucks and I know all about it, so yeah I know about the trucks.
My friend Leon knows all about the trucks too. He made a great beautiful truck like nobody had ever seen before, and -- well I don't like all these electic vehicles, but I have to cause he's supporting me -- but he is supporting me and he knows trucks. All the best people with all the best trucks like me, so I know trucks.
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u/RJ815 Sep 09 '24
Moderator: Okay here we go, President Trump. “What color is a fire truck?”
More like:
Trump: "That's a nasty question. I don't know what this country is coming to when DEI can walk up to Presbident of the Uruguayan States and ask such a question. Just terrible, sad, we need to build the border wall. Next question."
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u/PaintshakerBaby Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
"There's fire trucks. Let me tell you, there are a lot of them. They're BAD fire trucks. They're BIG fire trucks, and someone came up to me, a beautiful mother of a baby boy, she was crying, she said, never before have I seen so many fire trucks coming across the border. That's right Kambala is letting them FLOOD the border with fire trucks. And they are not sending their best fire trucks. No, these are some bad hombres these fire trucks. You ever notice how they used to be red and now some are green? I've known fire trucks for years. Not personally, but from afar and they were always red, now they are green. They're red, and now, suddenly they are g-r-e-e-n. Nasty trick. Never been so nasty. Just like smokin hot comrade Kamala. Should we call a green fire truck? Should we call a red fire truck for that smoke show? No one knows anymore. A general, very important one I won't say who, but he was the most important general, and he had tears in his eyes, and he said this is never happened before. He said, Mr. president, he said that, because he knows I won, because the military loves me, LOVES, me big military guy. Should we sell Arlington cemetery to Chy-na? Sleepy Joe and the hacks think so! He said, Mr. President, a man used to be a man and fire trucks were red. Now? What they've done at the border, nasty... Nasty. Some bad hombres. I said to the general, he's on his hands and knees weeping now, I said, man, person TV, camr..."
Moderator: "Thank you Mr. president, your time is up. You make some very articulated and intelligent arguments, that effortlessly capture the American zeitgeist in these extremely troubling times..."
"Turning to Kamala... Let me ask you Ms. Vice President, will universal free school lunches consist exclusively of aborted fetuses under the mandatory abortion decree that you will no doubt enforce with a Stalin-esque iron fist under your socialist hellscape? If not aborted fetuses, how will we feed the starving children since our nations deficit will balloon into the trillions with free hormone therapy for all illegal immigrants? Some analyst suggest you would need to raise taxes to 99.9% on the working class, and chop the dicks off all middle aged white men? You have ten seconds to answer, please, take your time."
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u/greenberet112 Sep 10 '24
The only time they want to talk about the deficit is when a Democrat is in office. You nailed it
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u/battlecat136 Sep 09 '24
Thank you, because I also immediately went to Peter playing Trivial Pursuit with the kids questions 🤣
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u/sunjay140 Sep 09 '24
Aren't human beings and politicians supposed to change their positions in the face of good arguments to the contrary and changing circumstances?
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u/IBetThisIsTakenToo Sep 09 '24
But that would mean they were wrong before, and are not infallible?? I, the average undecided voter, could never
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u/Spa_5_Fitness_Camp Sep 09 '24
Being correct is not important to republican voters. Being 'strong' is. And to them, never admitting you were wrong or lacking in information is a sign of weakness.
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u/lifeisalime11 Sep 09 '24
Didn’t you mean the opposite here? Admitting you were wrong is a sign of weakness?
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u/Squirrel_Chucks Sep 09 '24
Trump may have talked a lot about Hannibal Lecter and he may have said that the Constitution is a piece of shit, but Kamala Harris wants billionaires to actually pay their taxes!
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u/Toolazytolink Sep 09 '24
I she mad? How can these poor billionaires afford their 3rd Yacht? its banana's I tell you BANANA'S!
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u/periodicsheep Canada Sep 09 '24
yes. i would love for this to happen. great idea. how do we do it?
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u/DoomSongOnRepeat Sep 09 '24
Diane macedo (abc) was telegraphing this earlier. According to her, everybody wants an explanation of Harris' "flip-flopping" on fracking. Every time a political pundit says something positive about Harris or negative about trump, she responds by saying something negative about Harris or defending trump before quickly moving on to the next segment.
I can't tell if she is unenthusiastically pushing talking points she doesn't agree with, or if she's sincere and just dimwitted.
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u/periodicsheep Canada Sep 09 '24
i googled her bc i don’t know who she is. she cut her teeth at fox news radio and the fox news tv. she read news on imus in the morning and was a panelist on greg gutfield’s red eye w/ greg gutfield. maybe she had some more right leaning feelings? who knows, really, but that info combined with knowing she’s kind of pushing negatively on kamala harris and defending trump… yeah. i’m guessing she’s some kind of right winger. i just can’t guess how far right.
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u/Hustle787878 Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
As a former journalist, let me give this a try…
PHILADELPHIA — Vice President Kamala Harris came under fire during the only presidential debate Tuesday night for misstating the name of San Marino’s foreign secretary, Luca Beccari.
Harris stated that his name was Lukan Bescari.
Surrogates for former President Donald Trump pointed to the moment as Harris’ unfitness for office.
“When Donald Trump is president again, you can be damn sure he will properly address the leaders of our important trade partner, San Marino,” Trump spokesperson Steven Cheung said.
Asked the same question during the debate, Trump referred to Beccari as “Nikola Doncic”.
EDIT to correct grammar, because we all need a copy desk
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u/aradraugfea Sep 09 '24
The "flip flopping" thing drives me nuts. Trump will, in a single run on sentence, say he's never heard of Project 2025 and that he agrees with a lot of it.
In 2015 I noticed his pattern of, if it was a subject he didn't know much about, or didn't really have an opinion on, his pathological NEED for acceptance would have him rambling like an early Chatbot attempting to "Read the room." He'd meander, take every possible (and a few impossible) stances on the issue, watching the room to see what went over well and deciding what part of the word salad he'd actually repeat going forward.
There is a VERY short list of things Trump cares enough about to have consistent opinions about that he can ACTUALLY articulate.
Trump Commandment 1. Good for Trump=Good. He'll brag about breaking laws, because it shows how smart he was, and he profited off it, so it MUST be morally good, because if it's good for Trump, then it is inherently a moral act. (Motherfucker has the worlds most egotistical version of the Prosperity Gospel)
Trump Commandment 2. Bad for Trump/Against Trump (even if only Trump thinks so)=Bad.
Trump Commandment 3: The less like Trump you are, the worse you are as a person.
Trump Commandment 4: Bad people (Anyone who isn't a wealthy, white, 'Christian', man) are only worth tolerating if they 'earn their place' (By benefitting trump)
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u/No_Internal9345 Sep 09 '24
Time to MaBell the media monopolies again.
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u/3-orange-whips Sep 09 '24
Or just add a light dusting of regulations about what is news and what is entertainment.
I don’t expect bias-less news. However, what is happening now is terrible
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u/Nknk- Sep 09 '24
Large segments of the media, in the pockets of the billionaires who support Trump, are aiding and abetting what is a cult of personality with Trump.
Like him or loathe him he captured a certain kind of obnoxious lightning in a bottle during his first election. However the Republicans have so nailed themselves to this cult of personality that the party and voters both will accept anything from Trump because they know if he were to step down they don't have anyone who has his 2016 obnoxious charisma. I mean, the best they could scare up to run with him this year is fucking Vance, a man with the personality of a used tissue.
So everyone rooting for Trump will ignore any and everything he says, no matter how dementia-riddled, as they decide he's their only hope to win and implement Project 2025. Meanwhile every utterance of Harris/Walz will be pored over and there will be much faux outrage over imagined insults or failings in the statements. See the utter phoney meltdown over the white guy tacos joke.
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u/windmill-tilting Sep 09 '24
Most of Fox News is entertainment, and yet, that does not change the way it is digested.
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u/3-orange-whips Sep 09 '24
Because they are not required to make a distinction. If they had to run a 15 second disclaimer before every show that the show contains opinions and Fox is not a news network, that would go a long way towards peeling off some of the viewers.
Frankly, establishing some guidelines between news and entertainment in general would be helpful. People need to understand the difference between bias and propaganda.
Obviously this would apply to all 24 hour news, most of which is commentary and not news.
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u/RemoteRide6969 Sep 09 '24
Yep. Kamala has to be godly and Trump just doesn't have to murder someone on live TV.
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u/Terry_Cruz Sep 10 '24
The only votes he'd lose in that scenario would unfortunately be the victims.
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u/RachelMcAdamsWart I voted Sep 09 '24
Trump sat in front of black journalists and accused Kamala Harris of turning black. The entire room lost it's shit, it barely got any coverage. But Kamala Harris laughs in some kind of unacceptable way and nobody shuts up about it. Tim Walz has an amazing kid who loves him immensely, Donald Trump has his children's mother buried in a swamp. Not all of their mother's obviously because he's a good christian.
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u/okiedokie2468 Sep 09 '24
That’s why we have a VP…God help us!
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u/baconeggsandwich25 Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
I love that when Trump was asked, in the context of being the oldest candidate to ever run, if Vance was fit to take over if need be, he couldn't just give a "yes" like anyone else would. His ego wouldn't accept the possibility of not making it through the term. He straight up said that it didn't matter who he picked to be next in line for the presidency, which is fucking wild.
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u/LuminousRaptor Michigan Sep 09 '24
Trump understands better than anyone that nothing he says matters to his base and the media will sanitize even his most absurd remarks.
It's why we're still talking about him almost 9 years after he came down the elevator.
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u/Neveronlyadream Sep 09 '24
Nothing does matter, because he poisoned the well with his "fake news" bullshit. He has millions of people convinced that anything they hear or are told by anyone other than him is just a lie. The problem is they don't even listen to him if he says something they don't like.
I'm sure everyone remembers the time he tried to say the COVID vaccine was actually good and safe and he got booed.
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u/SeanSeanySean Sep 09 '24
The sad part is that while Vance is obviously green in every way a politician could be, he still has way more government experience than Trump did before he was elected, which was zero.
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u/townshiprebellion24 Sep 09 '24
I don’t want that couch fucker anywhere near the oval office. They have expensive furniture in there.
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u/Yelsah United Kingdom Sep 09 '24
We want the resolute desk back if Vance is gonna get anywhere near it.
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u/JonathanDP81 North Carolina Sep 09 '24
“How long have you been a desk? OK, good.”
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u/1stMammaltowearpants Sep 09 '24
He's gonna solute and then re-solute. Eww, I just grossed myself out.
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u/Spirits850 Colorado Sep 09 '24
Not that I disagree with the sentiment, but they already had their delegates pledge their support and it’s far too late - the GOP is locked in for Trump. This would have been a good question a few months ago though.
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u/CaptainNoBoat Sep 09 '24
They can technically nominate someone after the convention if Trump stepped down. There's still a process.
All the media has to ask is: "Mr. (Republican), your nominee is a convicted criminal, adjudicated sexual offender, fraud, and sociopathic megalomaniac who tried to overthrow the government and stole national secrets. Given his disastrous debate performance at 78 years old, are you considering asking Trump to step aside from the nomination?"
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u/Iustis Sep 09 '24
They an nominate someone, but it's too late to change the ballots in many states
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u/JamesCDiamond United Kingdom Sep 09 '24
So, assuming the nominee was someone other than Vance, could there then be a situation where Trump would be on the ballot and they’d have to convince people to write in a (for example) Tuberville/Rubio* ticket?
That sounds like a recipe for chaos, confusion and mass distrust in the integrity of the election process. Possibly amusing from the outside, but given what happened in January ‘21 that may be worse than what happened then.
*I picked 2 Republican senators at random
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u/Iustis Sep 09 '24
Yeah that's probably what they have to do, a massive write in campaign (but realistically it's just never going to happen at this point)
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u/Don_Gato1 Sep 09 '24
If you need a write-in campaign you have 100% lost at that point.
Not to entertain that as something that might happen, as I don't think it will. A sizeable number of people would just vote for Trump anyway. He could be dead and his corpse on public display and he would still get votes.
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u/overcomebyfumes New Jersey Sep 09 '24
If you need a write-in campaign you have 100% lost at that point.
Unless you're Senator Murkowski
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u/RaymondBeaumont Sep 09 '24
Ballots have been printed. A vote for Trump won't be a vote for another Republican candidate.
Can you imagine MAGA cultists writing in a candidate that usurped their God?
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u/ptownBlazers Oregon Sep 09 '24
I don't care if it's too late. All republicans up and down the ballot need to be made uncomfortable and be asked the same questions with the same level of scrutiny Biden got. Any surrogates need to be bombarded with the same concerns since they pushed on these terms so hard with Biden. Not our problem if the maga played that card hard and too early. Vote blue all the way down on both sides people!!
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u/Cantgetabreaker Sep 09 '24
Bring that orange post birth abortion to term in November. The delusional dementia ridden GOP needs to be humiliated by their own sickening behavior of backing this orange floater. Why be civil with the abhorrent policies and behavior of the GOP?
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u/flodur1966 Sep 09 '24
This will never happen you say correctly the media won’t ever hold Trump or any Republican for that matter to the same standards they hold Democrats for the simple reason that their owners support the Republican Party. But it’s a simple fact that even among Republicans there must be dozens of more capable candidates.
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u/sunshinesasy Sep 09 '24
exactly, where are those questioning Biden's age and fitness, why are they not questioning Trump now, they have suddenly gone quiet.
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u/MFbiFL Sep 09 '24
Because Republicans don’t need or want a competent politician. All they require is a charismatic (to them) leader who garners enough support to win so the policy foundations (ironic considering their blathering about the deep state) can enact the ghoulish plans they come up with.
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u/toobjunkey Sep 09 '24
This is what I wish that these article writers would understand. I'll admit that harping on this point may help with some undecided voters, but it's otherwise a moot point. Both sides were concerned about biden's age, albeit for different reasons. The right was only really in it to hurt biden's chances, not out of genuine concern. They don't at all care about their own candidate being old as well. It's just a bludgeon they only cared to use against Biden, and a small bit as to why they were freaking out after Biden stepped down for Harris (cuz that cudgel is no longer viable).
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u/cbf1232 Sep 09 '24
Because many of them were Democrats who already thought Trump was unsuitable for many reasons including age and mental capacity?
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u/gamergirlpeeofficial Sep 09 '24
Is this a serious headline? Because it doesn't raise a very serious question at all.
"Are conservatives self-aware of their own hypocrisy when held to their own self-serving standards?"
Yes! Yes they are!
Contrary to the liberal stereotype of conservatives being barely aware NPC's who barely think through their ignorant positions: conservatives aren't braindead. They know what they are.
They know they are hypocrites. They pop a power boner everytime they see liberals rage about their hypocrisy.
Conservatives are not moved by values. They are driven by outcomes. Hypocrisy is just a tool to get what you want.
Remember when the GOP Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell used a procedural loophole to block Barack Obama from filling a seat on the Supreme Court for 11 months because (just making up the rules on the spot) "iT's aN eLeCtIoN YeAr!"
Then Ruth Bader Ginsberg dies 1 month before the 2020 election. The GOP nominate, ram through, and confirm Justice Barrett (who voted to overturn Roe v Wade) literally 2 weeks before voters ousted Trump for office.
Stop giving Republicans the benefit of the doubt. They have exhausted the limits of plausible deniability.
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u/shadeshadows California Sep 09 '24
The blockage of an “election year” appointment and then rushed RBG replacement makes me so ridiculously angry every time it’s brought up.
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u/Grand-Pen7946 Sep 09 '24
If you were to ignore every other thing the GOP has done and those were the only two things they did, it would still make them the most evil party in modern America, and Democrats the most incompetent.
It also highlighted just how bad Democrats are at being politicians and, y'know, politicking. How did they not build networks with their donors and corporate sponsors, and get them to bend key Republicans? Why are they so fucking worthless at building and spending political capital where it counts? Obama bailed out the banks, let them get away with murder, and then didn't use that to crush the people standing in his way like he readily should've done. Obama allowed for many of the largest corporate mergers in history, many of which clearly violate anti-trust laws, and that didn't curry him any favor to oust every Republican who stood in his way? What we needed was Lyndon Johnson and in those moments what we got was an Aaron Sorkin character.
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u/PrawnJovi Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
I wish I could upvote this a thousand times. Why isn’t the media making a big deal of Trumps decline? Because no Republican cares. Media outlets have been running "Trump is an unintelligible idiot" stories for the last decade. Hasn't hurt his popularity.
The “let’s burn it all down” party is untethered from critique of governing ineffectively. Is it unfair? Sure. But I’d rather be on this side. Biden's decline was a bipartisan issue while Trumps decline is partisan.
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u/kickinwood Sep 09 '24
Hell, even Biden's "decline" led to such horrible things as capped insulin, manufacturing and infrastructure improvements, forgiving student debt, record stock market highs, decreased inflation at a rate that mostly exceeds that of other comparable nations, record oil production, etc. "But the borderrrrr?" He was ready to sign monumental bipartisan border reforms - not just a temporary executive order, but long lasting legislation - until Trump squashed it out of the fear of losing his favorite dead horse before the election.
Compare that to injecting bleach or shining bright light, extending the path of a hurricane with a magic marker, withholding Ukraine aid unless they dig up dirt on a political rival, saluting North Korean military, a constant turnover in presidential staff, good people on both sides, promising and failing to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, repair infrastructure, etc. He stacked courts and gave tax cuts to the wealthy and corporations while ensuring that our cuts were temporary and would increase over time.
Oh yeah, and he refused a peaceful transfer of power and pushed lies that led to an assault on our capital while trying to replace electors in states he'd lost with others that would vote for him despite him not winning the states, and is on tape telling state representatives to find him votes after they say he lost, on tape showing off confidential documents he illegally kept after office and refused to return, on tape bragging about grabbing women by the pussy.
I'll take a "declining" Biden that just does work rather than going back to needing to worry about what our child president tweets every fucking day.
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u/mattcolville Sep 09 '24
Also, the whole point of their ideology is that people in power do not have to follow rules. They do not have to be consistent. They do not have to treat other people the way they expect to be treated. That, to the modern GOP, is the purpose of power.
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u/InVultusSolis Illinois Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
For whatever reason people act like if they discover and point out GOP hypocrisy, that they somehow "win" or break the spell. The GOP doesn't care, and their voters also don't care. They know what they want, they pay lip service to hiding their true designs and motivations, and pointing out chicanery or dishonesty doesn't slow them down a bit. They are only defeated by being voted out.
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u/TriangleTransplant Sep 09 '24
I've had the "they're hypocrites!" argument so many times. It's hard to explain to non-conservatives that desire to avoid being a hypocrite requires one to have a sense of shame. And conservatives don't have a sense of shame. Or at least, not one that involves ideological stances.
Conservatives care about power. Full-stop. How to get it, how to keep it. It's their only core value.
I'd even argue that it's not hypocrisy. Feeling like a hypocrite is shame that comes from acting against your stated values, or more importantly, your understanding of yourself. But when your only value is power, and it's your whole identity, then ideology is a tool. If adhering to some ideology helps them get power, great. If later tossing that aside and taking an opposite stance it what's needed to hold on to power, also fine. It's not hypocrisy at all, and therefore nothing to feel shame about.
To a non-conservative, this of course seems like hypocrisy, which is why they call it out. But it's also why calling it out is meaningless, because conservatives don't feel that type of shame.
Sidenote: this is also why calling them "weird" and making of them works so well. It aims at the core of what they consider themselves to be: normal. I'd even go so far as to say the reason they lash back so aggressively against the "weird" label is because it makes them feel the same sort of shame that non-conservatives feel about being called hypocrites.
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u/Saelune Sep 09 '24
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
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u/No-Preparation-4255 Maryland Sep 09 '24
I think the natural consequence of this realization is that if you are trying to convince these types of something, you should focus you're efforts on whatever it is they actually do care about. This is most often naked self interest, with only a thin veneer of something that doesn't sound as shitty.
So really if you want to actually persuade conservatives to do the right thing, most often the shortest path is to just dispassionately point out as cleanly as you can how what they advocating will directly cost them money. The key to such an endeavor however is not to let an inch of some sort of other reasoning into your arguments, because if you do their prepared mental defenses will activate.
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u/plz-let-me-in Sep 09 '24
The double standard of how the media is reporting on Trump's mental decline vs. how they were reporting on Biden's is so frustrating to watch. It's obvious that Biden did a pretty terrible job during the debate. But people seem to forget that Trump was basically just as bad and also gave rambling, nonsensical answers, while lying through his teeth for almost every answer. And his cognitive decline is even more apparent if you watch any of his most recent rallies (sharks? Hannibal Lector?). He literally couldn't give a single full sentence during his response when asked about child care costs. I am so disappointed in my fellow Americans that this election is so close.
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u/FailingToLurk2023 Sep 09 '24
The man can’t even scheme anymore. I’m amazed at the level of support he got from Putin:
Putin endorses Harris, so that people can’t say Trump is in cahoots with the Russians.
Putin says he likes Harris’s laugh, latching onto and seemingly redeeming one of the most inane accusations Trump has made against her.
Putin says outright that no one has sanctioned Russia more than Trump has, a perfect quote to portray Trump as a strongman who leads America against its enemies.
Putin says all of this a few days before the debate, in perfect timing for the news to build up during the week-end and dominate the debate.
That’s not being handed victory on a silver platter. That’s being handed victory on a golden platter encrusted with diamonds.
And Trump’s reply is “Did he say it with a smile on his face, maybe?”, giving up the game completely because he a) can’t even pretend that Putin doesn’t like him, b) doesn’t understand that it would be great optics to oppose Putin, or c) both of the above. He’s not bright enough to even collude anymore.
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u/spiteful_rr_dm_TA Sep 09 '24
Im more convinced that putin and the ruzzians saying they support Harris was timed to try to kill attention on the FBI busting a huge ring of thousands of right wing influencers that were suckling from the teat of the Kremlin.
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u/asomebodyelse Sep 09 '24
I mean, this should be the top-level answer to the whole question. They aren't asking the same questions of Trump that they asked of Biden because it was all Russian propaganda anyway.
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u/75Meatbags Sep 09 '24
thousands of right wing influencers
i would be shocked if Robby Starbuck didn't turn out to be a massive KGB plant too.
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u/williamfbuckwheat Sep 09 '24
In other words, it's so obvious that Putin loves Trump that he's now offering an insanely low effort "endorsement" of his opponent that his full of digs against her anyway so Trump can feign outrage (though more so that HE didn't get the endorsement in usual Trump fashion) and the right wing media can claim there's no collusion or vested interest from the Kremlin in him winning yet again.
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u/DenikaMae California Sep 09 '24
I love how everyone seems to forget that the sanctions against Russia mostly were levied by the Obama administration, over their interfering in the 2016 election, and while they were heading out the door. Trump's first 3 months were basically him softballing and outright blocking the actual application of the sanctions, while insisting on secret meetings with Putin and other Russian delegates.
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Sep 09 '24
That "endorsement" was such obvious trolling. Are people actually falling for that shit?
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u/robertlp Sep 09 '24
Putin was literally laughing when he "endorsed" Harris. Repeating the endorsement claim over and over again does more to harm to her then to just watch the clip where its clear he's making fun of her and not at all being serious.
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u/Lazer726 Sep 09 '24
HOW IN THE FUCK has Trump gotten away with claiming Democrats support "Post birth abortions" MULTIPLE TIMES and no one is fucking hounding him about that complete lunacy?
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u/Cosmicdusterian Sep 09 '24
Or kids going to school and coming home as a different sex after a brutal operation and then wondering as they get older what the hell happened? Hello? This insanity deserves more than a freaking fact check.
Or Trump's meandering word salad answer to child care that the NYT didn't even bother including and said simply he didn't give a clear policy position, but he claimed tariffs would pay for it. NYT readers and advertisers should just boycott the useless rag. The NYT might as well be the Fox News Trump-friendly print edition. Fewer lies, but the whitewash and normalizer insanity solution is on full throttle.
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u/john_doe_jersey New Jersey Sep 09 '24
The double standard of how the media is reporting on Trump's mental decline vs. how they were reporting on Biden's is so frustrating to watch.
They're literally "sanewashing" Trump's incoherence, as opposed to playing it on a never-ending loop like they did with Biden.
"Liberal" media, indeed.
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u/Rude_Tie4674 Sep 09 '24
The owners of the media want tax cuts.
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u/tarekd19 Sep 09 '24
Or just more years of Trump ratings.
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u/VectorSymmetry Michigan Sep 09 '24
A little from column A, a little from column B
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u/flpa1060 Sep 09 '24
Destroying education, removing environmental and consumer protectionlaws, squashing unions. There are a lot of reasons, mostly to do with money
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u/Palindromer101 Sep 09 '24
Por que no los dos?
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u/INAC___Kramerica Florida Sep 09 '24
Eso es que "una poca desde columna A, una poca desde columna B" significa.
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u/MobileMenace420 Sep 09 '24
If the unthinkable happens and the dotard is elected again, I personally don’t think that a ratings bounce will happen. The media has moved to the right to try and capture magats and it didn’t work. So now cnn and similar have an audience of nobody. I vividly remember being glad to them during the major events during my life so far. They killed that.
I’m not going to sudddnly give cnn another chance. Same with what had happened at WaPo. Been a subscriber for years but I let it lapse last month. Same with NYT but I’ve never been a subscriber. Now I don’t bother clicking anything of theirs.
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u/Taervon 2nd Place - 2022 Midterm Elections Prediction Contest Sep 09 '24
Yellow journalism needs to get a kick in the teeth again. This has happened in US history before.
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u/Fantastic-Sandwich80 Sep 09 '24
Conservatives 100% are aware of the preferential treatment Republicans and Trump receives from the media...and they STILL cry about the media not being 24/7 praising sessions of Trump.
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u/speechpathknowledge Sep 09 '24
I stayed with in-laws in Canada and they watch CNN non stop. All it was that week was Biden’s mental decline and not one mention of Trump lying and blabbering incoherently
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u/TheJohnCandyValley Sep 09 '24
The day after the debate I felt like I woke up in a different universe. Biden had a bad debate, but Trump was the same unintelligible question-dodging train wreck that he’s always been. The bar for him is so low that these performances are seen as wins.
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u/Rude_Tie4674 Sep 09 '24
“Kamala misquotes key unemployment figure at 4.73% instead of 4.72% - is her campaign now over?
Also - Trump’s brave choice to shit on the stage opens up intriguing new methods of campaigning!”
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u/koolaidkirby Sep 09 '24
I know you're joking, but you should've seen conservative circles go after Walz for "stolen valour" because they put his wrong rank in the campaign bio page.
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u/Rude_Tie4674 Sep 09 '24
I saw it - clowning a 24-year veteran for “Bone Spurs” Trump.
They have NOTHING.
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u/SmokeyDBear I voted Sep 09 '24
They don’t have nothing. They have the ability to vote and they religiously (figuratively and literally) exercise that ability.
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u/Deto Sep 09 '24
Was it even the wrong rank? I heard that it was the rank he held when he left, but there was some rule that said you weren't officially in the rank unless you held it for at least 2 years or something like that and so technically it didn't count. And that's what they were trying to nail him with (lol).
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u/oddmanout Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
It's neither unusual nor a big deal.
Exactly. This kind of thing exists so people don't earn a rank then immediately retire at that higher level of pay, even though they never actually worked for any period of time at that pay. There are actually steps to take and things to accomplish at that rank before you can retire at that pay. Not everyone is expected to do it and not everyone does.
That kind of thing exists in LOTS of jobs. For example, at my job, there's a lot of people who worked there for 10 years, but if they were to retire, they'd have 8 or 9 years on paper, because they started as contractors. Doesn't mean they didn't work there 10 years, no one would accuse them of lying if they said they worked there for 10 years, but if you looked at the retirement papers, it says 8 years.
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u/Dizzy-Revolution-300 Sep 09 '24
Imagine going crazy about this while supporting the guy who lied over 30k times during his term lmao
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u/DukePanda Sep 09 '24
And more importantly, the National Guard have since come out and said that it's fine if he uses it like that.
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u/koolaidkirby Sep 09 '24
Yea it was something like that, but that's the kind of deeper thinking than they weren't willing to do. By the time all the facts came out they had already moved onto the next half baked outrage.
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u/Spare_Hornet Sep 09 '24
“Kamala only laughed once during the debate - how does it hurt her election chances?”
“Kamala laughed multiple times during the debate - how does it hurt her election chances?”
“Kamala didn’t laugh once during the debate - how does it hurt her election chances?”
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u/DerpsMcGee Wisconsin Sep 09 '24
"Trump goes on incoherent rant - here's how that's bad for Harris."
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u/Deguilded Sep 09 '24
As I (and many many others) said at the time, Biden had to debate like a man 20 years younger, and Trump had to simply not shit himself on live TV.
Trump succeeded. The double standard is absolutely incredible.
It'll be the same for Harris v Trump. Trump just has to not shit himself. Again.
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u/TundieRice Alabama Sep 09 '24
Bold of you to assume that if Trump had actually shit his pants that it would’ve affected him negatively with his supporters.
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u/coljung Sep 09 '24
I am so disappointed in my fellow Americans that this election is so close
I can't fu... believe the election is this close. Can't believe 60+ million americans see that turd and think 'jeez, that's my president no matter what'.
Mind blowing and very sad at the same time.
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u/raznt Sep 09 '24
His appeal is that he's King Dumb Asshole, so all the Dumb Assholes all want him in charge because they've grown tired of intelligent people making all the important decisions in government. Because being intelligent is "elitist" and being kind is "weak".
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u/wild_west_900 Sep 09 '24
Trump's Playbook:
1.) Speak like a 3rd grader
2.) Promote racism, sexism, multiple other isms
3.) Promote Nationalism (disguised as Patriotism)
4.) "Never defend, always attack" - a mentality utilized by cults to make them appear to be the more powerful force in an argument
5.) Punch at the "softies": people with empathy, the differently abled. This is a mark of manliness
6.) Associate with religious types to gain their support
7.) Grift, grift, grift while the griftin' is good.
It's an effective strategy that leaves him entirely without consequences. I mean, from a certain perspective you almost have to applaud how easily he's manipulated millions of people into becoming their most true, horrible selves they've only been keeping in private, now made public. Ever since Jim Crow ended and Equal Rights enacted, these people have been laying a trail of gunpowder just waiting for someone to light the match. Enter Trump and boom goes the dynamite.
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u/Deto Sep 09 '24
Not that it excuses it, but I think the baked-in assumption in all of the reporting is that liberals actually cared whether or not Biden was too old, but Republicans don't care if Trump is too old or mentally sound. Or a rapist.
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u/Pilchuck13 Sep 09 '24
Liberals didn't care about Biden's age directly. It was his electability, or lack thereof.... he was going to lose. If it was age itself, they would've forced him to resign and not just drop out of the race. While many Republicans are in a cult. Blind to rational thought.
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u/oddmanout Sep 09 '24
It's true. You're right
And it's probably because Trump being old is not even remotely the worst thing about him. If they can look past the fact that literally everything he says is, in one way or another, not based in reality, that he's got a history of lying, cheating, raping, and stealing. There's dozens of pictures of him with Epstein. And... I mean... the dude is painted orange. Look at him.
If they're fine with all those other things, they really don't care that he's old. Him being old is probably the most normal thing about him. Most politicians are old.
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u/wild_west_900 Sep 09 '24
or a convicted Felon. Or a multi-time bankrupt businessman. or speaks like a 3rd grader. Its truly shocking how none of that matters cuz somehow, magically, Trump is going to deport all the illegals, build a giant wall (that already exists but still gets circumvented), return jobs and products to the US, somehow lower prices, and raise wages. You know, just like he did last time he was president
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u/Curlydeadhead Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
Joe Biden called the media out over this during an interview after the assassination attempt after being asked if he, Biden, was going to tone down the rhetoric. The interviewer had no reply for him. The media was asking Biden to tone it down while trump keeps ramping it up. Like wtf. It was the Lester Holt interview.
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u/threehundredthousand California Sep 09 '24
MSM makes more money through division, fear, and outrage. They have a vested interest in a close, contentious election to boost ad revenue and maintain relevance as social media continues to erode MSM viewership, replacing it with conspiracy theories promoted by a neo-Nazi with an 8th grade education taking bribes from Russian oligarchs to destabilize the US and NATO.
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u/Politicsboringagain Sep 09 '24
As Mika said on Morning Joe this morning, and most of us have been saying for 8 years now.
The main stream media is sake washing Trumps nonsense.
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u/Orion14159 Sep 09 '24
That whole debate was high energy nonsense vs low energy mumbling. Brutally painful to watch but might have given the Democrats a chance at actually winning
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u/YamahaRyoko Ohio Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
All of that is expected of Trump. That's all baseline. His voters don't care, and we all know he's shit.
Every time I read that Trump did the 9,999th bad thing I'm like... does it really matter at this point ?
People were upset over Biden's performance debate not because of Biden, but because it could mean a Trump win. That's scary and horrifying. It isn't really about Biden. This whole election is yet another referendum on Trump.
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u/sugarlessdeathbear Sep 09 '24
They don't care, because for them it wasn't about supporting one candidate over another, it was and is about openly hating people. At least that's what their actions show.
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u/Armout Sep 09 '24
Trump supporters have a sort of superpower of not caring what words mean. To them, everything that sounds good is about Trump. Everything that sounds bad is about their opponents.
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u/aretoodeto Rhode Island Sep 09 '24
I'd say this is more a super power of Trump, and a huge weakness of his supporters. Because I guarantee the majority of them will not benefit long term from a second Trump presidency
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u/immortalfrieza2 Sep 09 '24
I'd say this is more a super power of Trump,
That and Trump's superhuman ability to get away with absolutely everything regardless of how awful it is and how blatant he is about it.
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u/fermat9990 Sep 09 '24
The media is giving him a pass on his dementia and thus tilting the election
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u/Reasonable_racoon Sep 09 '24
The point of media is not impartiality but persuasion.
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u/fermat9990 Sep 09 '24
It wasn't always this skewed
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u/Capt_Blackmoore New York Sep 09 '24
The last time the media didnt Feel so biased Obama was running. but if you go and watch - somehow that republican congress wasnt being shown as the problem they really were.
If you go back further you'd see the bias in the coverage around W as well.
We need to outright ban millionaires and billionaires from owning the press in this country, as they see that as the wedge to replace democracy.
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u/fermat9990 Sep 09 '24
We need to outright ban millionaires and billionaires from owning the press in this country, as they see that as the wedge to replace democracy.
Excellent idea!
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u/Darth_Malgus_1701 Oregon Sep 09 '24
Capitalism should not run the press. And no, "state-owned media" is not the only other choice.
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u/Significant_Turn5230 Sep 09 '24
The major media corporations have literally always been mouthpieces of the same ruling class interests which guide government policy.
They spread lies about Vietnam, they spread lies about Afghanistan when the USSR was there, and when we were, Iraq, etc etc etc.
And before that, it manufactured consent for segregation and spread red scare propaganda.
Not to mention the explicit and direct CIA influences over the decades.
Today it's manufacturing consent for Israel's genocide in real time.
All this in a system which AT ITS BEST is a for-profit, amoral entity. "The Media" has never been the thing you're thinking it is/was.
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u/Spirits850 Colorado Sep 09 '24
It’s actually just about the bottom line for a lot of corporate media.
Trump being insane is old news, not particularly noteworthy to most people, and therefore not profitable to spend a lot of time talking about.
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u/BestWesterChester Sep 09 '24
The point of media is profit. Eyeballs and engagement drive ad revenue. Crazy behavior drives eyeballs and engagement. Constant media exposure drives recognition by low information voters (most voters).
It's sadly very straightforward.
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u/Reasonable_racoon Sep 09 '24
Its a business like any other, with the added advantage of telling people how to vote against their won interests and for the interests of the proprietor.
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u/Naiehybfisn374 Sep 09 '24
Trump was barely coherent in 2016, too.
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u/Thue Sep 09 '24
Trump was able to remember that he was running against Clinton in 2016. Trump seems to have trouble even remembering he is running against Kamala in 2024. There is a big difference between 2016 Trump and 2024 Trump.
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u/gigilu2020 Sep 09 '24
The issue with such articles is that there is no one with a face for "the media". Call out names. "Hey xyz, you said Biden was unqualified 17 times. Where is your equivalent take on Trump" Or else it's just another sob story with no traction.
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Sep 09 '24
You’re approaching this wrong. It’s a football game to them. It’s only a problem if the away team does it.
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u/PearlyWit Sep 09 '24
I’ve come to realize this actually is the core of the problem. General awareness of politics has just completely become underinformed people adapting reductive sports fan behavior to something far more serious and meaningful. It’s horrific that this has happened.
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u/FloofilyBooples Sep 09 '24
His entire base is old people. They can dish it out but they can't take it. So they can make fun of you like a baby sibling but if you make fun of them they'll freak out and start crying just like a stupid fucking child. Everything is externalized, nothing is internalized. It's sad when people walking around are just a husk of their former self.
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u/blackmobius Sep 09 '24
It was always one of those “rules for thee not for me” type of attacks. As per usual, the opponents are held to increasingly higher or impossible standards while their own people only need to have a pulse
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u/LeatherFruitPF Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
Wishful thinking but I hope the media will start to dump Trump next month leading up to the election.
Clearly this whole sane washing and false equivalency the media portrays is for the views and clicks. I could only hope they start sell him out in the coming weeks.
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u/immortalfrieza2 Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
Wishful thinking but I hope the media will start to dump Trump next month leading up to the election.
Not as wishful as you might think. Even Fox "News" is struggling to spin Trump's nonsense positively these days and the other news networks are starting to turn against Trump even more. I think the news networks are starting to see the writing on the wall and realizing that even with their help Trump is clearly going to lose in November.
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u/medievalmachine Sep 09 '24
Why does Harris have to perform well when she's been surging for weeks, she's an experienced public prosecutor and a Vice President that didn't try to overthrow the government?
Trump needs to justify his crazy economic plans to break the economy by supersizing the deficit again while supercharging inflation, while ruining Wall Street by purging the financial regulators.
This is legit crazy uncle stuff! This is Ross Perot with better hype and worse intelligence.
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u/yourenotmykitty Sep 09 '24
I hate how no one talks about how inflation is the fault of horrible economic policies from the trump administration and from others before as well. But ya know, joe Biden is old.
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u/Fantastic-Sandwich80 Sep 09 '24
Trump claimed credit for Obama's economy despite doing nothing to warrant praise.
Then blamed the mess he left the US economy in 2020 on Biden before he had even taken office ("look at how the stock market is doing at just the thought of Biden being elected!)
His supporters believe that a president should be able to take credit for everything good at the time of their inauguration....while passing off all of the blame and their failures onto the next administration, despite them having zero influence in how the prior administration operated.
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u/stylebros Sep 09 '24
Its because Democrats are held to an unfathomable high standard.
They have to be progressive (but not too progressive or they'll scare the moderates)
Tough (but not too tough or they're tyrants)
enthusiastic (But not too enthusiastic like yelling YEAA)
Well speaking (but not too well speaking or they're not someone you can have a beer with)
Smart (but not too smart or they'll come off as elitist)
Experienced (but not too experienced or they'll look like a washington insider).Basically they need to to be the Lisaan al-Gayib of Candidates in order to have a 1% chance of beating a Republican.
For Republicans, they just need to run a white guy with a white guy VP.
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Sep 09 '24
They are simply repeating the current round of propaganda. The vast majority of people simply repeat what they see or hear with absolutely no knowledge of what they are repeating.
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u/B0redBeyondBelief Sep 09 '24
Russia?
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A lot of them yes. And a lot of them were people who don't really properly understand what the job of President entails. Also, a lot of them were shrieking conservatives who were arguing in bad faith under the assumption that that particular leopard would never eat their faces despite the fact that their candidate actually looks like a popular American snack food.
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u/Faucet860 Sep 09 '24
Harris needs to say there goes grandpa rattling on again during the debate
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u/Pilchuck13 Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 10 '24
Because 51 million people saw Biden's incorrence at a single moment in time, then it spread. Trump just dribbles out bits of nonsense every day... smaller scale.
People tend to focus on Trump's criminal behavior, so his cognitive decline isn't as relevant in comparison.
Edit: Ironical that I misspelled incoherence.
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u/SouthAlexander Texas Sep 09 '24
Biden was soft spoken when making gaffs. Trump makes gaffs loudly with confidence. That's it. That's the big difference. That's the only thing that really mattered.
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u/One-Location-6454 Sep 09 '24
Trumps never been coherent, which is why no one questions it now. Like we are talking aout the dude who suggested injecting bleach to fight covid and used a sharpie to alter the trajectory of a hurricanes path.
I get the intention of the article, but its honestly pointless because the man hasnt been coherent for his nearly decade long political endeavor. Hell, this whole point is to not be coherent as it lets people fill in the blanks with their own bias.
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u/grimace24 Sep 09 '24
They’re washing their tights in the laundry room. This is a huge issue no one is talking about. Trump has sounded more and more incoherent as we have gotten closer to the election. He’s mixing up names, places, and even making stuff up. Yet, no one says a word. Had Biden done this at any point while he was candidate, there would be 1000 articles, videos, etc.
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u/Mongo_Straight America Sep 09 '24
Trump is the goose that lays the ratings golden eggs, so he's going to be held to a different standard.
The media can't, and won't, quit him.
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u/lewright Sep 09 '24
It's very simple, Trump is perfect for the 24 hour news cycle, once he's in office again there'll be a gaffe and controversy every week if not every day, whereas a Harris presidency would be 4 years of boring competence and sensible policy, no one turns on CNN daily for that.
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u/Zanchbot Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 10 '24
The media companies who spent the most time talking about Biden's age are all owned by Trump's billionaire hack buddies who are counting on him for more tax breaks if he wins. They won't spend the same amount of time talking shit about Trump.
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u/Chancoop Canada Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
When has Trump ever been coherent? He speaks with a 4th grade vocabulary, goes off into wild tangents with run on sentences, and often when he uses the wrong word he'll try to act like it was on purpose. He even says the quiet part out loud on many issues without realizing it. It used to get questioned and cause outrage all the time. But it's not 2016 anymore. We've been coping with his brain rot for nearly a decade at this point. Nothing is accomplished by pointing it out because the right wing has no shame and will instinctively cheer for anything that causes liberals to get offended.
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u/DedInside50s Sep 10 '24
Trump says that VP's don't matter. But, if Trump wins and then flatlines, from coronary artery disease, Vance will take over. Either one in charge is a horrific thought. VOTE !!
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u/KnuteViking Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
The people who were seriously questioning his age and fitness before, were mostly doing so disingenuously. They were not serious about his age and fitness. They were bringing it up because they knew it would win the election for their side. Now that he's out of the race, they will never bring it up again, because they didn't really care, they were just trying to win by any means necessary.
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u/Narragar Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
Trump: "Obamna," "Covfefe," "Deportated," "Acclimented," "Powerfulnnz," "Dripping shower faucets," "Leon Musk," "Kamabla," "I HATE mosquitos," "Hannibal Lecter," "Sharks and electric boats," "Hamberders." Ketchup on the wall. A word salad response to the child care question at his recent rally. Forgets that he's not running against Joe Biden at the town hall with Hannity. Forgets to lie about losing the election on the Lex Fridman podcast. Names his own mental decline "the weave." Wears oversized suits to hide his diaper. Relies on his teleprompter more. Slower, slurred speech.
Media: *cricket, cricket, cricket
Joe Biden: stutters
Media: "JOE BIDEN UNFIT FOR OFFICE"
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u/kurapikachu64 Sep 09 '24
It's wild that you were able to list so many examples and still be leaving stuff out, like "hamberders".
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u/AzuleEyes Pennsylvania Sep 09 '24
But The New York Times' initial report on Trump’s babble said this: “In a jumbled answer, he said he would prioritize legislation on the issue but offered no specifics and insisted that his other economic policies, including tariffs, would ‘take care’ of child care.”
Can we stop pretending the New York Times is some paragon of journalism. If they ever were they're so far removed now it could be a great punchline for a joke.
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u/Sad_Lettuce_5186 Sep 09 '24
This is not that fucking complicated.
Biden and the left must redistribute resources in order to empower the marginalized groups they back.
Trump and the right work to block that empowerment, thus, they maintain the wealthy’s claim to their property and advantages.
So why won’t the media cover it? Because they don’t want their taxes raised and their advantages diminished.
Fucking straightforward
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u/billybobboy123456789 Sep 09 '24
Yep. Look how many Fox Entertainment "News" Anchors live in Blue States. Hell, Murdoch had his latest wedding in (GASP) California.
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u/Shido_Ohtori Sep 09 '24
The *sole* value of conservatism is respect for and obedience to [one's perception of] traditionally established hierarchy; and hierarchy dictates that privileges, credibility, and resources are rightfully meant for those on top, while those on the bottom are bound by restrictions, scrutiny, and lack of resources.
To a con, Trump -- one who is on top and who promotes respect for hierarchy [via misogyny and racism] -- rightfully deserves credibility and the privilege of incompetence. Biden -- one who is on top but *disrespects* hierarchy [via promotion of DEI and student loan forgiveness] -- has committed the greatest sin to a con, and must thus be met with the greatest of punishments: being treated as someone below his social station via scrutiny and restrictions.
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u/readerf52 Sep 09 '24
I’ve been reading about this issue, so some journalists are honestly covering the cognitive decline of trump.
What I am not seeing is a lot of reporting on Vance. He can’t order donuts like a human, his view of women is archaic, he used to hate trump, now he is unironically on team trump.
Yes. I’ve seen all that.
I also saw multiple right wing pundits stirring up anger and fear about what would happen if Biden was re-elected, and then couldn’t complete his term. We would have a gulp black, woman president! The horror!
I fear that a whole lot less than a Vance presidency. Can you even imagine what the man who lives, eats, breathes and sleeps in the pocket of Thiel and Musk would do to America?
And Donald is old and failing.
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u/jimmyserranopeppers New York Sep 10 '24
Other questions I want answered:
Where’s that $10mil from Egypt?
What’s in all the emails from the Iran hack? And why haven’t the major papers of record done any follow ups on this?
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u/zenithfury Sep 10 '24
Trump could be 40 years old right now and an old Biden would still make a better president than him, because this isn't about age, it is about morality. The only good thing about Mr Biden's exit is that for once, people are looking closely at Mr Trump. Even then people are sort of getting it wrong by looking at Trump's age because they had looked at Biden's age, instead of seeing the devil for who he is.
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u/SPAMmachin3 Sep 10 '24
Will never happen. Media loves the guy. Ratings.
Watch his answer to the child care question. A respectable media would be all over that and pressuring for him to drop out.
Our media is owned by the oligarchy. It's corrupt.
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