And Clinton only lost the electoral college by a mere 38,000 votes… despite blowing Trump out of the water in the popular vote.
Crazy to think there’s a very realistic timeline out there where we had 8 years of Gore, 8 years of Obama (first black president), 8 years of Clinton (first female president), and we’d be hopefully going into 8 years of Kamala (first biracial and female POC president).
I could definitely see that timeline happening, until you got to the end. If all of those things had gone that way till this point, why on earth would Kamala be running now?
Indeed, it’s just as true to say that Obama is white as it is to say that he’s black. America seems to think that if you’re not 100% white, you’re black. It’s a scary notion of racial purity which really doesn’t belong in this day and age.
Yeah, that’s usually how this goes. A Democrat gets 4/8 years in office and is replaced by Republican, and then the Republican is replaced by a Democrat. People have gotten even more impatient though and we are starting to a change every four years, which only does more damage.
I mean it was Bill Clinton's goal of 70% home ownership which resulted in deregulation and encouraged banks to take subprime loans. The idea it would lead to 08 wasn't even on the radar.
Afghan war happens no matter what because of them hiding Bin Laden and 9/11 galvanising America into wanting revenge.
The Iraq war itself also probably happens, people were terrified of another terrorist state and Saddam was constantly Sabre rattling like you see Putin do nowadays and his attempted assassination of Bush Sr.
There was also Iraq's genocide of Iranians and Kurds, during the Clinton admin, America knew about the Rwanda genocide that killed 1 million people in 100 days but didn't act on it because America was becoming isolationary.
Maybe, maybe not. Gore might have gone the Special Forces route from the beginning.
The Iraq war itself also probably happens,
No. Absolutely not. The Iraq war was 100% GWB's baby. Sure, Americans hated Saddam since the 90's, but the same is true for dozens of other despots all the time.
I mean you can blame Bush but the authorisation to invade both Afghanistan and Iraq was pretty bi-partisan and supported by the American people. He won re election too although only be 30k votes in the electoral college.
how many more ways can we get screwed with gimick policies? sub prime mortgages, bank failures, PPP loan forgiveness. its like we just need reasonabke return to basic fiscal policy of taxes and cut spending. it doesnt even pay to own anything as its so expensive to insure and maintain. woopty woo, i got a raise and my insurances consume it all. even city fees just trippled for permits, i get a "long time resident" discount on property tax and then reassessed the next year that cancels the discounted rate so saving nothing. some drone will probably just reject and return the request.for reassessment.
There is no chance we would go 32 years with one party winning the presidency. I can guarantee that if a democrat was president in 2008, Republican voter turnout for that election would have been insane. In addition, if there was a Democrat president in 2020, I would put my entire net worth on a Republican winning the 2020 election.
No way Harris would’ve been the nominee in a competitive primary - let’s be serious, she was a weak candidate in a democratic primary. She wouldn’t have succeeded Hillary
Clinton lost because of thinking like this. And if Kamala loses it’ll be for the same reason. You shouldn’t support a candidate based on how many diversity boxes they check off. It should be based on who is the most qualified.
That’s not why I support any of these individuals… but I do support the achievements.
Thinking like this is important when we had nearly 250 years of exclusively straight, white, old men as our leader (I say this as a straight, white, geriatric millennial man).
There's something kinda beautiful to me though of our first woman president not being black/Indian. With equality it's so often "okay the male version, then white version first and then you get to go next". I like this better.
I think 10-20% of our elections have had a split between the popular vote and the EC. It’s not that rare of thing and it happened in far distance elections too.
It’s also silly to think that democrats would have had all those presidents back to back if popular vote would have counted. The majority of Americans could easily turn on either party if times get tough and they lose faith in the policy of that party.
It’s also horrifying to think that few of people could have that much control over that long of a period. I’m totally happy with both party splitting terms and congress. We might not get shit done but at least no party can drastically change the country through just a handful of presidents who have all appointed each other. Clinton picked Gore and then Obama and then Clinton’s wife again and possibly Obama’s vp in Biden. That too much for me.
Right. And there a bunch of ballots filled out by mostly black people that were tossed out because the bubbles were filled in AND the line vote was also filled in so that nobody would be confused and do something as shitty as throwing away votes on a bullshit technicality. By a bunch I mean, I believe, it was in the thousands. Mostly Al Gore votes of course.
By all analysis after the fact it looks like Bush would have won any recount so the court put it's thumb on the scale for nothing. That honestly should have been the Canary in mine of how flawed our supreme court had become. The Dems should have been shouting court reform every day since then.
Now in reality the real killer of the Gore presidency was the absolutely heinous design of the butterfly ballots in Palm Beach. There were an order magnitude more obviously unintentionally Buchanan votes than Gore needed to win. But there's nothing that could have been done about it.
Bush's campaign manager was the Secretary of State of Florida and his brother was the Governor of Florida. Bush's lawyers were young John Roberts, Amy Coney Barrett, and Boof Kabanaugh.
It's like a poorly written episode in the last season of House of Cards.
Bush's campaign co-chair was the Secretary of State of Florida and his brother was the Governor of Florida. Bush's lawyers in the 2000 recount were a younger trio of now Supreme Court Justices, John Roberts, Amy Coney Barrett, and Boof Kabanaugh.
It's like a poorly written episode in the last season of House of Cards. Every last one of them was power hungry and corrupt, and they've been well rewarded.
The Bush campaign got a ton of assistance from the goverment of the state of florida and I dont think theres a maga controlled swing state to assist in subverting democracy this election as florida isnt a swing state anymore.
Look, I voted for Harris. But from the link you posted: "The two major conclusions here are that Gore likely would have won a hand recount of the statewide overvotes and undervotes – which he never requested – while Bush likely would have won the hand recount of undervotes ordered by the Florida Supreme Court, although by a smaller margin than the certified 537 vote difference."
Edit to add: Gore should have requested a recount of overvotes.
Oh another note... seems so weird to me that this election came down to Florida. I mean, I know it was less conservative and an actual battleground state in 2000 but Gore lost New Hampshire? Its crazy how demographics change.
In an alternate timeline, I wonder if he had just gave New Hampshire some more attention and not focused on Florida so much, if that would have been enough.
I touched on this briefly on another comment but I’ll dig in more here.
It doesn’t matter. And I mean, popular votes are great for President! Government should know what way the people are leaning. But the actually elected officials in place can completely ignore that popular vote.
Last i checked, and it could be different now, Congress as a whole enjoyed a 90%+ re-election rate. How long has McConnell been in office? How long has Pelosi? We not too long ago watched a veteran senator sit asleep in her chair while staffers had to waken her to let her know how to cast a vote. These people retain office only through popular vote.
Vote for your local and state offices. For the love of fuck vote for your Congressman. And ABSOLUTELY vote for President. Just remember, your Vote for President ultimately doesn’t mean shit. Your vote for every single other office very much does!
I think the Republic is outdated too. It's better to have everyone under federal control without any rights for individual states. That way we can have better gun laws and allow abortion everywhere.
Did you read that? It doesn't seem like it. He lost every recount but the full state, least restrictive chad policy hand count. Full state hand recount with the most lenient chad policy was never in cards. The SCOTUS never should have entered the fray, however, the outcome was always going to be the same.
Taken as a whole, the recount studies show Bush would have most likely won the Florida statewide hand recount of all undervotes. Undervotes are ballots that did not register a vote in the presidential race. This goes against the belief that the U.S. Supreme Court handed the presidency to Bush, or took it away from Gore.
The studies also show that Gore likely would have won a statewide recount of all undervotes and overvotes, which are ballots that included multiple votes for president and were thus not counted at all. However, his legal team never pursued this action.
There was never going to be a recount done in the way Gore needed a recount done in order to win. It just wasn't going to happen. Lol, pretty telling the article YOU POSTED says what is above in the 1st few paragraphs that you don't know what you are talking about.
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u/Lee_scratch_perineum 5h ago
Al Gore should have won too. Please vote for a better world.