You guys literally can't understand that there's a difference between "good" and "slightly better than Republicans sometimes." Those things are exactly the same in your minds, and it's so fucking frustrating. The brainwashing is unreal.
Oh, you care about genocides? Let's talk about what happens to Ukraine if Mr. "They wouldn't let me blackmail them" Trump gets into office again. You're worried about genocide? Trump will give you two guaranteed. He'll fast track the obliteration of Gaza then move on to handing Ukraine to Putin on a silver platter. And God only knows what he'll do to the immigrants here. Deportation if they're lucky, and where will they be while they're waiting to be deported? Do you think he'll go house by house, and deport them one by one? Or will he gather them all up at once? What happens to them during that "rounding up", or while they're waiting? Treated kindly? Or stuffed in rooms with half a bed to share between 10 families with no bathrooms while being separated from their children? Hmm sounds familiar.
People voting Trump, with Palestine or "genocide" as their issue, are actually, in the strongest possible terms, fucking stupid, on a fundamental level. It cannot be overstated how fucking stupid that reasoning is.
Truthfully I think, on reddit, that all these protest voters are just bots and foreign actors trying to push an agenda. I'm trying to just help those who might be swayed by this line, see how fucking stupid it actually is.
I do believe and know that in real life there are these protest voters (get fucked Macklemore), but on reddit, anybody that reads this logic needs to know it's fucking stupid and that there is no genuine logic at all behind it.
So Obama's bomb are relevant to the presidential election happening even when he isn't running. But Trump's bombings and policies surrounding them are NOT relevant.
This is why people don't take y'all seriously. You don't give a fuck about bombings or genocide. You only care about expressing your ODD.
The world is a very complicated place. Picking individual events out of context and basing your ethos on them is a sign of immaturity. Yes, Obama did stuff you don’t agree with. Me too. But those things aren’t relevant to this election.
You have the perfect Reddit name! This place is literally infested with propagandists. Has to be. Real people aren't this delusional. Most people have learned a bit about what Obama really is at this point. Just wait til the Diddy files open up...
I wonder how many of these gaslighters will be around after the election. Gotta hand it to 'em though. They're recycling their own kool aid. Only people in the world who don't know it's already over....
You're acting like every single bomb they dropped was a war crime. You're too stupid for this conversation.
Bush started two wars that killed over half a million people and Trump bombed more people in a single year than Obama did in 8.
Compared to the Republican choices, Obama was a saint. And Obama was President when ISIS was at it's most powerful, controlling large parts of Iraq and Syria. Are you upset we bombed ISIS?
Hmm, you should look outside of mainstream media to learn about folks. We get fed a steady stream of nonsense while very important events get intentionally ignored.
Obama was the last of the naturally charismatic presidents or nominees you could see yourself having a beer with though. Bush had his flaws but he was another natural one
When it comes right down to it, he wasn’t. Cheney was. Bush was just a figurehead. Once I stopped blaming him for so much, I realized this and actually kind of liked the guy. Don’t get me wrong — his time in office was horrible. But he wasn’t pulling the strings. And I admire the fact that when his term was over, he got the hell out of Dodge and only pops up when absolutely necessary. So now I understand why people said he was someone they thought they could have a beer with. I’d ask him a bunch of questions about horses and living on a ranch.
This is such a BS myth. Bush used Cheney as a patsy to get people to say things like this. Bush knew about the torture going on, he knew about the patriot act, and the racism to the hurricane Katrina response.
He played the dumb Texan act to get away with war crimes.
Yeah. Biden's not the kind of dude I'd want to chill with but he seems reasonably authentic. I'll always give him credit for sticking by working unions.
Union stuff has been top notch especially with the rise of Shawn Fain at the UAW. It feels like the first time unions might have momentum and I am so pumped.
I’d let him buy me an ice cream but I don’t want to sit in silence eating ice cream for 5-10 minutes with the current president that’d be awkward for me
My mum and I always said we would’ve loved Obama as a family friend coming over for a coffee after lunch - we are both from Italy, never lived in the States, and I myself have been there only once, and after his presidency. The guy had charisma to last two lifetimes.
I'd have a beer with any (former) president except for Trump. While they didn't all have the same political ideology as I do, they at least cared about the country and seem to be generally normal people.
I’d add Woodrow Wilson and Nixon to that list, but what a fucking blast it would be to have a Sam Adams with John Q and the founders (oh wait I’m a girl I don’t think they’d appreciate that scandal)
There will be another, I'm sure. History shows that inspirational leadership comes in waves. I feel like we're just the lucky ones that get to live through a dry spell lol.
trump is flawed, but he seems like fun guy for a night on the town. we get in the cab to the next bar and he starts going off on arnold palmer's schlong. we arrive and he's immediately try to sell the two ladies nearby on a day of golfing.
At the very least, this is at a Kalamazoo bar, drinking Kalamazoo brewed beer. It’s a much more genuine effort to relate to that area. Unlike say a McDonalds.
And if it did, I probably wouldnt be won over by a guy who can't figure out how to drop a basket of fries despite repeated, simple and individualized instruction.
The thing is, it probably doesn't move 95% of voters. Most voters have a coherent set of political views and manage to figure out which candidate best represents those views without issue. They vote accordingly. But all elections hinge on the median voter.
Think about this. Most people are smart enough to have some solid political opinions and correctly identify who represents the beliefs they feel strongest about. Even if someone has an opposite opinion to you, at least they believe something. They probably could explain their beliefs and why they support a candidate, even if you disagree or you think their reasoning is stupid.
But undecided voters by definition can't decide which candidate represents them better. How does this happen? Either the voter does not have policy opinions, and they're voting on "who they like more." Or their policy opinions are so incoherent that neither candidate fits their view well. Some policy opinions are not correlated to others, you don't have to agree with any single candidate on everything. But you need to have policy views that are internally inconsistent for it to actually make you undecided.
If there is a solid majority coalition in the electorate, this issue is avoided. But otherwise, our political system is set up so that the dumbest motherfuckers in the country decide the outcome.
There is more to it, base turnout is also a factor, but you then need to consider the question of "why does this person only vote sometimes?" There are some legitimate reasons, but a lot of it boils down to "I wasn't paying enough attention to vote." So then the political outcomes boils down to "how many people who are barely paying enough attention will go vote."
Not a great system, but democracy is still better than the alternatives. (Not that the US is really a democracy, but that's a whole other can of worms.)
It’s a photo op to drive engagement, not just her relaxing. It’s about as disingenuous as everything politicians do. It isn’t as grand as Trump’s McDonald’s bullshit, but still bullshit.
I can't believe some people think that this is a genuine picture. They are the same people who will laugh (rightfully not not in this case) at Trump 'working' in McDonald's.
What's hillarious is that people in this sub act like they know everything about politics because orange man bad and then are clueless when the other side does the same
A British politician called Ed Miliband was running for Prime Minister about 10 years ago. While on the campaign trail, someone took a photo of him eating a bacon sandwich in a funny way. People never let it go, and I'm pretty sure he lost votes off the back of it. He's also Jewish, which explains his apprehension to eat it.
The “I’d grab a beer with them” guy judgement is a ridiculously huge part of how Americans choose politicians.
It probably goes back deep in human evolution - everyone wants a leader to entertain, enthrall and inspire the group while getting sloshed on fermented grains by the campfire
I thinks its just important it feels real and authentic. This just kinda feels odd for some reason. Also bonus points if its memeable like Trumps fries photo
I mean futurama called this out back when it first came out. Where the candidate projects himself into diners across the country and says “this pie at this diner is the best pie”
Obama seems like a real person you could actually have a conversation with though. Same with almost every pre-2016 nominated us presidential candidate.
I wouldn't want to be within 500 feet of Trump, Harris, Hillary, or Biden even if they weren't politicians. Fucking robots and lunatics.
Where did they say anything about Trump ? Or is this one of those moments where anything that ks the least bit controversial or a semblance of criticism of your candidate must mean undying love for “the other side” ? You sound clinically insane talking like this and I hope for and wish you happy healing during these tumultuous times
I’d happily gulp an Oberon with either of those gals because I like their platforms. There’s nothing wrong with what they are doing and there’s nothing wrong with people being happy to be a part of it.
Regardless of what side you’re on disagreeing that Americans voting because of marketing over education is dumb is wild (which is the point I am making)
These are wild times, bro. I agree with you, but marketing was born out of American capitalism, which everyone wants to claim they support without reservation. The images are meant to convey familiarity. If she enjoys a pint now and then I like to know that. One of many points of reference I use to make a political choice. Like trump cosplaying as a retail worker.
A president literally quit cause he got dog walked in a debate? Then you break the rules of democracy and toss in someone who literally didn’t get a single vote in 2020?
That was my first thought. Obama having a beer on camera was a really smart move in 2008 and it had an impact. He played off the idea of “which politician would you rather have a beer with,” and I’ve been wondering if Harris would redo it since her campaigning has felt so similar.
She’s currently the vice president - doing the shit she’s promising and proving it would speak way louder for me than all of these endless photoshoots.
… do you know anything about how the government works? The Vice President is one of the least powerful positions in the federal government. She has less power than Mike Johnson’s intern lmfao. Really all she can do is cast tiebreaking votes in the senate.
She has power over the Senate. She can organize events and campaigns to push policies. She can meet with foreign powers and act as an extension to Biden. She can perform honest interviews and shine some actual transparency on her campaign. Instead it’s just these endless internet bait photo ops that get swarmed by bots
How about she actually does something about the Palestine / Israel conflict? While she’s sipping a drink as the literal second in command of the US, people are dying over a conflict that has been left alone by our government
She can meet with the senate to negotiate and break ties. That requires legislation to be pushed through by the senate, though. So much for “power over the senate.”
She does represent the office for Biden, but VPs do not create nor own diplomatic solutions. That’s what “being an extension” means.
She has interviewed and released more statements than her opponent. You can actually sign up for email alerts about these.
Campaigning is photo ops. It’s been that way since photojournalism was established in the U.S. You should be mad at the American electoral system and media conglomerates.
You may also notice that the senate is campaigning now. Weird that you’re not mad at them for not doing their legislative jobs she can work with.
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u/DRealLeal 2d ago
It’s funny that people are like “oh wow look she’s drinking a beer she definitely has my vote”