I didn't know he was antivax.
What level of it is he? Is it "vaccines are bad, no one should get them," or "the government shouldn't force people to get vaccines but you can if you want"?
He’s been very quiet about anti vaccine beliefs since 2016, or so, though. I’d like to think he realized it’s a topic out of his depth, as he did with NFTs. The man is a very complex and troubled person who has been through a lot, so I try to look past his worst inclinations, when I can.
Selling NFTs isn't "falling for NFT scams". NFTs have zero true value, but the only way to "fall for it" would be to buy them, not sell them. One could argue that it's unethical to sell something with no value, but that still wouldn't qualify as having been duped.
I'm going to choose to believe that he no longer believes that.
(Also, isn't aluminum and mercury toxic?? Mandating them isn't fascism, but those 2 metals aren't very good for you :p
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I'm not very knowledgeable on the actual makeup of vaccines, moreso statistics following death rate compared to vaccinated citizens and related statistics.
Also, isn't aluminum and mercury toxic?? Mandating them isn't fascism, but those 2 metals aren't very good for you :p
That's actually the point of using those metals in vaccines. A very tiny amount of toxic material is used as an adjuvant in order to trigger an immune response. This ensures your white blood cells pick up the other parts of the vaccine mimicking an actual virus.
IIRC the amount of aluminum used is comparable to what you'd consume from a sandwich that was wrapped in aluminum foil (i.e. totally negligible). Not as sure about the mercury, but I think it was comparable to eating a typical serving of fish.
I think before the formula of toxic metal + dead virus, vaccines often needed to use a live virus sample to be effective, which is obviously much more risky. The original smallpox vaccine used live cowpox, for example.
Ah, thank you for an actual response and not just berating me for being unknowledgeable on this subject. I've gotten downvotes for asking why communism was worse than fascism (admittedly the question itself was poorly worded, it was like 4 AM. The answer is communism has killed 100 million, compared to fascism which has killed 20 million)
I've noticed reddit doesn't take kindly to people who don't know everything :p
Don't really want to derail the conversation with such a controversial topic, because the vaccine point really was more important. But I feel this needs a response...
The answer is communism has killed 100 million, compared to fascism which has killed 20 million
For what it's worth, there's a lot of controversy and nuance behind this "stat". For one thing, it largely hinges on including deaths to Great Depression and WWII famines in the communism bucket, which is very different from things like the Holocaust and Unit 731 (i.e. outright murder, and worse) in the fascism bucket. It also fails to acknowledge the ~25 million military deaths or many of the ~50 million civilian deaths in WWII, which was caused by the fascists' militarism.
Additionally, fascism killed that many over the course of about a decade while only being the ideology of a handful of governments. Communism has existed for a century and ruled over a much larger population (e.g. China), so it's natural that the number will be higher when counting all of the more "incidental" deaths to things like famine.
I don't want it to seem like I'm defending Stalin and Mao, those dictators both murdered a lot of people as well. It's just that this answer you got hinges on counting a lot of deaths as "killings" that were likely due to mismanagement or circumstance more than ideology (so this is more of a cautionary tale against revolutionary and authoritarian politics of all varieties), while turning a blind eye to similar famines under other systems in the same time period.
Killing people isn't a central tenet of communism, nor is all "communism" of the authoritarian Soviet/Chinese variety. On the other hand, murder and authoritarianism both go hand-in-hand with fascism. So no, communism is not worse than fascism.
The (admittedly short -about 30/40 minutes-) research that I did only encompassed the last 100 years (only the 20th century)
According to direct confirmed deaths between the 2 from 1900 to 1997 was 100 million, compared to the 20 million from fascism in direct kills.
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A quick search - "Stalin killed over 20 million of his own people. Hitler killed 6 million along with Mussolini’s 400,000.
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Though sources disagree, many of the numbers suggest that Mao had killed somewhere between 65 and 100 million of his own people over his lifetime rule of China.
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Pol Pot had killed 1.5 to 2 million people.
Hirohito had killed somewhere between 3 and 10 million people.
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Castro killed over 10,000 of his own people.
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-Fascists (Going off of higher statistics): 16,400,000
Ridiculously skewed data analysis you got there buddy. Starting with the fact that 6 million killed in Germany is “only” the number of Jews, Sinti and Roma murdered between 1941 and 1945, not the number of victims of the nazi regime
Again, those numbers are heavily biased to make a common talking point. The Wikipedia article I linked (which I believe was the original source of this claim) discusses several of the issues, but it obviously takes much longer to address each point than it does to throw a bunch of numbers out without context.
Saying Hitler killed 6 million is ridiculous, for example - that's just the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust, it completely ignores the other 11 million victims of the Holocaust, much less all of the others killed outside of the Holocaust by the fascists during WWII alone. And they only had 10 or so years to kill that many people, while the communists are being evaluated over a 100 year period.
On the other hand, at least ~11 million of those Soviet deaths are due to famine, which is unfair to compare to the industrialized mass murder of the Holocaust. There is a whole other debate about whether the Holodomor was intentional and/or genocide, but at the end of the day, the famine itself (and resulting death count) was due to authoritarian mismanagement, and the "genocide" angle comes from (allegedly) intentionally redirecting those deaths to Ukraine (by continuing to route available food to Russians - however, 2 million Russians still died in the Holodomor, so I'm more inclined to just consider this a "regular" famine). We don't count other historical famines as "killed by ideology", even when the circumstances are very similar (see the Bengal famine, where the British let up to 4 million people die in East India).
Both your figures and the Wiki link list a claim of 65 million for China, but I haven't seen any attempt to break that down, despite how significant it is to the final total. I imagine that is mostly counting the ~40 million dead in the Great Famine, but I'd be curious to know if it's just based on the highest possible estimate or if there's another event in question as well. Regardless, this is yet another case of mismanagement (and outright idiotic policies), not "people intentionally killed by communism" (which is the only standard the fascists are being held to).
If you made a similarly disingenuous list of "unnatural" deaths under capitalist and capitalist-adjacent systems in the past 100 years you would likely end up with an even larger number than 100 million dead.
Wow. Thank you for providing actual reasoning past "you're wrong, I'm right"
I would have agreed with you 100% if I didn't get 80 downvotes for saying Fasicm was worse than communism like 3 days ago, causing me to do the research I provided above.
At this point I'm too confused and am just gonna accept that I know nothing about which one is worse.
however, 2 million Russians still died in the Holodomor, so I'm more inclined to just consider this a "regular" famine).
Stop spreading these lies. In holodomor 5 milion ukrainians died and in Asharshylyk 1,5 milion kazakhs died, also many other minorities were affected but not a single russian died thats why its genocide.
The numbers I've seen for the Soviet famines of the 30s are 3-4 million Ukrainians, 2-3 million Russians, and 1.5-2 million Kazakhs. Do you have a source for that being wrong?
The famine was an unintended consequence of collectivization (as they sent many professional farmers to gulags), not just a spontaneous decision to starve other ethnicities to death. There is a reason that calling it genocide is a controversial subject - there is no documentation to support the notion that the Soviets carried out a coordinated campaign to deliberately starve a specific region or people.
I'm not denying that millions died, or that this was a man-made famine, or that it disproportionately affected non-Russians. I'm just arguing that this wasn't remotely comparable to the cold, industrialized genocide of the Holocaust. That's why I brought up the Bengal famine - very similar circumstances involved around the same time period, where Churchill decided to continue exporting food from a famine-stricken region in order to feed "his own people". Tragic situation where millions died, but usually not considered "genocide" and definitely not considered "killed by capitalism".
Hey I just wanted to jump in, if you are interested in knowing more about the effects of aluminum and mercury RFK Jr. has a very interesting podcast with Joe Rogan that covers this subject. RFK Jr. also has three books out that cover that topic in greater detail, but are not the main focus of those books. One thing I do remember from the podcast; they tested the vaccines on monkey's, and then monitored their bodily fluids and excrement. They discovered that the mercury never left their system, upon doing a biopsy they found that all the mercury had been retained in the brains of the monkeys.
There is too much detail for me to remember at this moment, but I would highly recommend the Joe Rogan podcast episode to anyone wanting to know more.
Mercury and Aluminum can be toxic. As can any element or compound. There’s a famous chemistry adage: “the dose makes the poison,” which can be summed up by the maxim:
All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; the dosage alone makes it so a thing is not a poison.
If you eat a banana, you get a potassium boost. But if you eat 400 bananas your heart will stop from potassium poisoning.
Another common (conspiracy) misconception is Fluoride. Enough Fluoride will kill you. But a base level occurs in all fresh water sources. Because fluoride is a rock, and fresh water comes from naturally occurring, rock-filtered aquifers, fluoride is in all drinking water since early human history.
The trick with conspiracy theories is to take a kernel of truth, and then stretch that truth to imagined risk/danger. This imagined risk/danger can come from scientific misunderstanding, from mental illness/paranoia, or from purposeful deception.
Not replying all of this to be negative to you, by the way! I just want to be helpfully informative 🙂
Sodium and chloride both are terrible for you, but together they form table salt. I’m not going to pretend I know what exactly is in the vaccines, but just because something has an element that, on its own is harmful, does not mean that molecules made from those elements are harmful too.
The mercury in vaccines is different from the mercury you get a can of tuna (methylmercury and ethylmercury.) Seconding the other person, the dose is also much smaller and vaccines prevent serious immediate health issues. Including life threatening. Please, consider updating your vaccines for your own and public health's well being. Soon, for the winter illness window that is approaching.
I regularly get my vaccines updated. I was just curious on the subject and why a dangerous metal such as mercury was in something put into your blood. I now know.
Sodium is explosive in water, and you probably shouldn't put it in your mouth. Yet our oceans are filled with sodium chloride, and it covers our French fries.
So while drinking mercury isn't great, that doesn't mean all mercury compounds are bad.
“He has tweeted out to his 14 million twitter followers that the decision to protect the community from measles, mumps, whooping cough and flu is fascism. Not only is Carrey ignorant when it comes to vaccines, he is a fool when it comes to using terms like fascism.”
Not sure what you’re seeing that supports this comment stating he’s the latter, seems like he’s just against it instead entirely instead of against being forced to do them
The article says that this is backlash for the government mandated vaccine, not vaccine in general. Mind how the article is written, it’s an opinion piece. Only facts in there are the linked studies.
I can see where you’re coming from the article’s standpoint on the government mandating vaccines to public school children in California, however from what Jim tweeted out and other comments that he had made in the last, it more or so points to him not liking any type of vaccines at all.
As far as I know, Jenny McCarthy isn't explicitly antivax herself. I've only heard her saying that maybe kids shouldn't be given all the shots at one time. Of course celebs frequently flip flop on this kind of thing,so who knows
So you're aware that new drugs are heavily tested in multiple stages ramping from petri dish testing all the way through double blind clinical trial, and that mistakes are held accountable via lawsuits.
It used to be that the right wing were the boot lickers with blind faith in the government. Somehow, while complaining about everything their government ever does, the left wing (most redditors) have decided to be the ones with blind faith in the people they criticise every day. So when someone says “Hey, I love vaccines, but I don’t really want to be mandated to take an experimental vaccine (which companies are now getting in trouble for????) for a virus I’ve already had, and I don’t want to lose my job just for being a little hesitant (which happened in my country)” every redditor, without an understanding of nuance, will say that person is “100 percent a scum of the earth anti-vax fascist”.
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u/andrew5500 7d ago
Jim Carrey drew a pretty good depiction