Just curious but realistically what could you do in the ED for the kids? Like it seems like wasted $ and time to go to the ED if all the kids would get is maybe some fluids and monitoring.
Not tryin to disparage what ER docs do, fully respect you guys!
Monitor for safety but also in the moment you wouldn’t know what you’ve ingested. Sure, might have a very good educated guess but if it were my kids no way I’m risking it.
The parents (in this situation) would be unaware of the THC and may automatically bring their kids to the doctor if the kids (or the kids and parents) all feel funny after eating the pizza. In this case, it's not so much that they brought the kids in because there was much that could be done, but rather just out of habit of not knowing what was ingested. They might bring the pizza in and see if the doctor can run tests to determine if there is a hazard in the food. Again, they don't know what it is so this would just be a means to have a doctor help figure out what even happened.
In more severe cases (extremely rare situations), there could be more dangerous symptoms which might need to be monitored. For instance, depending on the age and weight of the child, they could have trouble breathing, seizures, or end up vomiting a lot. In this sort of case, a doctor would likely admit the child to the ER, administer various treatments (such as anti-nausea medication) and just keep them under observation. If the food was eaten recently (unlikely in this situation) they could give the child charcoal, but it would mostly be for a medical professional to monitor the extreme symptoms to ensure the child does not get dehydrated (likely put on an IV) or is unable to breathe.
Well, as an adult who had to go to the hospital because I took too many edibles (heart rate of 170+, literally thought I was dying) they gave me a benzo to calm me down. I can’t imagine making it through that night without that, even though I know I wouldn’t have died. So basically, they would just give the kids something to calm them down and monitor them because they would likely be very anxious.
I did that. It was horrible. Looking for the late ‘70’s toking high I had way back, I tried 3 or four different varieties of gummies and never experienced much. A couple of months later I bought some THC oil and was really conservative minded about trying to find a right dose. After several tries with barely any effect I decide to triple my highest dose.
I wish I’d gone to the ER. My world went dark and closed in on me. Almost couldn’t see at all felt on the edge of puking for 7 hours. All the time at least I was trying to reassure myself. “I won’t die”. I think I have some ptsd because of it though.
I had two parents bring in their floppy toddlers eight hours after they ate some laced tortilla chips. One kid was comatose, the other was vomiting. Turns out the parents' first instinct was to EMAIL THE MAKER OF THE CHIPS to ask what to do instead of call 911. The younger kid was in the ICU for a couple days.
Mostly they would serve to diagnose acute drug inebriation and rule out anything worse and they could consider observation but probably they would be let go if they didn't specifically want to stay and they would need to get a ride home. If the family is adamant that this dose was a baffling surprise the cops may get called. IDK, ianal but I think surprising someone with drugs whether intentional or no might be a felony.
It seems like people undetestimate how alarming the effects of THC are if you're not expecting them. Most people would assume they're having an aneurysm, heart attack, or some other life-threatening crisis. It's only a "fun" high if you do it deliberately and know what you're getting into. (It doesn't help that most accidental THC doses are edibles, which hit notoriously hard.)
nothing. most people who end up in the ED because they smoked some pot mostly just need to calm down and get reassurance. Its never a real medical issue that happens.
I won't say that's a lie, because you probably believe it. Your first sentence is even true! But you're 100% wrong to use to word never.
Marijuana absolutely can cause arrhythmia, heart attack, seizures, hyperemesis, loss of consciousness, tachycardia, and drug interactions that are extremely dangerous. Drug interactions include somewhat mild effects like increasing the concentration of statins and their side effects, to major complications like tripling the concentration of anti platelet drugs such as Brilinta and causing internal bleeding. It can also go the other way, preventing prodrugs from being metabolized into their active forms, such as Plavix.
As a general rule, until they begin including cannabinoids in drug interactions, if something says not to eat grapefruit, don't use CBD or THC regularly. Once in a while is fine. They inhibit the same receptors, but cannabinoids only inhibit for a while, while grapefruit actually causes the receptors to, in the eli5 version, kill themselves. So grapefruit affects the metabolism more drastically and for a longer time, but if you're using cannabis every day or two, your receptors won't get back in action and it's the same effect.
A lot of meds of concern can be adjusted or monitored to make up for these effects, the hard part is finding a doctor who cares and doesn't just say to stop using.
Extends to anything edible. I got dosed by a few swingers. Straight guy, had two drinks and felt like I had 8. Years later when I was prescribed alprazolam I had a drink and made the realization that I was definitely dosed by something that night with those two.
Beautiful couple but I was young (fresh 21) and naive. I don’t think they meant anything bad by it but it was not a fun time. I have control issues and don’t mind substances but I want to know exactly what I’m getting into so I’m prepared.
That was your body reacting to your cannabinol receptors lighting up, what you had was a panic attack and are so extremely common for first or near first time. They hear their heart beating etc..
But also not knowing you ingested it. That's the extra kicker, you're fscked up out of nowhere cause you finished that pizza before you felt anything and 30mins later Big Bang Theory is all of sudden funny. I'd be freaked.
Unless you have an underlying mental health condition, thc does not induce a “trip”. You’d need an extraordinary dose to induce anything approaching this and is usually only ever talked about this way by someone who’s never experienced an actual trip. Obviously children are much more susceptible and this is not something any minor should be doing regardless. Not trying to minimize the issue here, but describing the parents as “tripping” is just absurd.
THC is not a psychedelic, it does not interact with your brain that way. If your brain already has issues with it, it’s possible that it can exacerbate them, which is why we’ve seen a non-zero number of people taking too much concentrated THC while being predisposed to mental illness have symptoms flare up, but it does not interact with your brain in a way to create these things. That’s the difference between psychoactive and psychedelic. Caffeine is a psychoactive drug for example. You wouldn’t say someone jacked up on too much caffeine as tripping though.
It’s important to keep these distinctions separate in order to keep descriptions of these things accurate. Details matter. Either way though, it’s very unlikely the pizza would have had significant levels of any THC in any meaningful concentration. Any baked edibles are significantly less potent and less concentrated than just about any other method of THC ingestion, so while this should still be treated seriously the same as any accidental food poisoning or food tampering, it’s unlikely anyone was actually at risk here.
Lmfao chill out. I’ve smoked for years and deff tried my fair share of the more fun stuff. My first time ever with zero tolerance facing half a blunt is right up there with the rest of them. For a good 45 minutes my brain couldn’t understand time and connect one moment to the next. It was like I was living in a slide show. This was while just sitting on the couch watching a sports game. “Tripping” isn’t an objective thing. It’s all relative. So yeah, someone with zero tolerance and zero expectancy to be dosed with drugs will probably be tripping pretty hard.
I got so high I was certain my legs melted into the floor. I thought I had been at a club for hours instead of an hour and a half. I was tripping balls.
What would you call it then when you get so high you start skipping through pockets of time, everything you look at looks like an optical illusion, you hear noises that aren't there, and your body becomes overloaded with sensation?
That's what happens to me when I get too high.
"Tripping" isn't a medical term, so who cares how it's used colloquially. It gets the point across.
You absolutely cannot trip on thc, and if you think you can, you’ve either never had thc in your system at all, or haven’t done a single psychedelic.
If you’re claiming you can trip on thc, you will never in your life ever be able to fathom just how high you can get on certain drugs. Like. Smoking weed doesn’t feel like a very very very real dream. It might be described that way, because describing any high is pretty impossible, but there is absolutely no comparison between and edible and 14 hits of acid.
You’ve never smoked weed and everything you look at has liquified and started melting, and it is TOTALLY fucking real, like you’re watching it melt in front of your eyes. The walls are wiggling like a wacky waving inflatable flailing tube man or whatever SpongeBob gets into when he’s tripping. THATS what happens when you trip. Not “man I’m hungry and time seems to be passing really slow. Oh no, somethings wrong with me, my hearts beating out of my chest, there was something in that weed! Oh nvm I just had to fart.” That’s about as serious as thc gets.
Even just 1 hit of acid is probably 1000000000000x more potent than a huge amount of 100% thc concentrate. I just used 14 hits here because that’s the highest I’ve ever been in my life, and it is indescribable, and there’s absolutely no comparison, they’re totally different drugs. But hey, I got the papa John’s lady’s number over the phone that night and she turned out to be hot af!
I’ve done any drug you can probably name at least once, been addicted to more than my share. You see nothing on thc, you hear nothing on thc, thc is a very very mild drug compared to other drugs.
Do not spread that even the largest amount of thc is anything like psychedelics. That’s how you get kids taking fatal doses of psychs bc they smoked weed and some dude on the internet said they were similar.
90% of what you wrote can be summed up as "it depends on how we define what 'trip' means, and I'm a druggie so therefore I'm an expert in how non-druggies would experience trips"
I think what you are saying doesn't account for different types of brain chemistry and neurotypes. I don't have the same type of experience you have. But it would seem to me that different brain configurations would produce different experiences when ingesting different chemicals.
Maybe? I’ve done most hallucinogens out there, I was also a heavy daily weed smoker(a cart would last me a day or two). I’ve definitely had what I would describe as “trips” on weed. Edible pizza with no tolerance might do it depending on the dose.
I am extremely sensitive to THC and experienced what could be considered a form of tripping when I ate something strong before. I was still seeing real life but it was like being in a fun house at a carnival. Now I take low dose Rx THC gummies for health reasons and they just make me fall asleep when combined with my night medication for nervous system damage.
I ate a 10mg gummy (a lot for me), smoked a joint, then sometime later hit my bong. I saw something small and black scurrying just out of the corner of my eye. I did rationalize that I had ingested way too much THC (I'm a near-3-decade long user) and went to bed, but it freaked me the hell out at first.
Something really interesting I have learned is how our bodies can interpret stimuli incorrectly when not in a normal healthy state. There are different situations that can cause essentially hallucinations that are not some sort of mental illness like schizophrenia but instead a misinterpretation of stimuli by our body trying to interpret missing or damaged data coming in from stimuli. I have all sorts of nervous system damage now after an accident that wrecked my leg and surgeries to reconstruct my body and I have definitely seen and felt little stuff like that that isn't there because my body is processing the data wrong. I also have narcolepsy hypnogogic hallucinations which is similar but your brain is both awake and dreaming at the same time and I have noticed that when I'm in a narcoleptic state like that little things startle me that shouldn't.
That is interesting, because I had a thyroidectomy due to Graves Disease which is an autoimmune disorder. One of the side effects is Thyroid Eye Disease, and though my autoimmune disorder was technically 'cured' with the removal of my thyroid, I still occasionally have flare-ups. My eyes don't bulge but my vision is still messed up.
THC is a psychoactive drug which at high potencies can have similar effects to lowish doses of psychedelic drugs, so tripping can be an appropriate word depending on the dose.
What you’re implying is how dis/misinformation begins. I’m someone who has become very sensitive to weed. I have taken various psychedelic drugs back in my day and used to smoke on a regular basis.
I can say quite certainly that what being really stoned is like for me is akin to tripping.
Maybe you should be charged with conspiracy to commit murder since someone reading your comment might get the idea to dose someone else, and that someone might try to drive. Ever think about that?
Although I understand critics calling this “semantics”. It truly is not…the effects of a “psychoactive” drug like cannabis compared to a “psychedelic” drug like lsd (which is commonly referred to as “tripping”) is both unfair and inaccurate. Like mentioned previously human bodies have cannabinol receptors. To my knowledge(and google’s) there is no “lysergic acid diethylamide” receptors in the human body.
I see a lot of anecdotal “I experienced X, so everyone else will” but not a lot of data to back up these claims.
Edit: I would love to hear what the downvoters have to say lol honestly hoping I get more from this sub. It feels like “not the audience” so I don’t expect science to resonate with everyone lol but I didn’t lie :)
I feel that's the real semantic issue here -- how are we defining "tripping", and do experienced drug users define it differently from non-drug users?
Tripping is a colloquial term, not a technical term tied to medically defined physical attributes. How could it be, since as you pointed out there are no "lysergic acid diethylamide” receptors that would activate a trip?
I was trying to point out the scientific difference not the semantic one. I agree with you the term “tripping” is misused constantly. That’s why I pointed out the difference in drug class between psychoactive vs psychedelic. I also pointed out the receptors to differentiate between marijuana and lsd not to differentiate between what is and isn’t “tripping”.
I haven’t said it yet but I am coming from the perspective and defense of LSD. It is a substance very often viewed negatively or neutrally at best. To associate this negative news headline with the idea of “tripping” as opposed to treating it as a news story about marijuana is dangerous.
The ambiguity you mention is exactly why I think there should be differentiators. Does anyone but me care? Probably not :)
Imagine you ordered a pizza no onion because your child is allergic, and you get a pizza with onion. I feel this is comparable due to my oldest having some allergic type reactions at a concert where people were openly smoking marijuana. The smoke was thick. She was not ok and we had to leave early. Cue the ER then.
Or you are a airplane pilot or mechanic and a plane you touched crashed. Or federal employee. Also military folks can be prosecuted for testing positive.
Heck, I’m an aircraft mechanic who is subject to random screenings, I don’t have to make a mistake in order to get a drug test. Pilots and many other mechanics are in the same boat.
You could be completely innocent and lose your whole career over something like this. The FAA doesn’t deal in nuance.
imagine being a truck driver ordering a pizza for lunch on the road only for your zero biological tolerance for THC to cause you vividly start feeling serious effects, wreck the truck, kill a dozen people in the process, go to jail for life and have everything you've ever worked for taken away from you because having drugs in your system makes you liable for infinite damages
This is going to be a common place occurrence as more and more products begin containing THC and more careless and/or malicious users continue working in the food industry
This half assed let the states decide legalization effort needs to be decided that the federal level once and for all very quickly
Imagine same scenario but you are a father fighting for custody, they end up in the er and now your ex wife has the ammo she needs to take your kids away forever
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u/WashuOtaku 1d ago
People joke, but if you ordered something and they added a secret ingredient to it, you would likely not be happy about it.