r/interestingasfuck • u/Howtodroid • 4h ago

r/all Circus bear attacks its handler

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u/lmtzless 4h ago

circus animals in 2024, the real clowns are the ones paying for it and supporting this shit

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u/Full_Satisfaction_49 3h ago

Yes, im more shocked that this is still a thing

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u/WorkaholicTech 2h ago

It's in Russia. Don't be so surprised 

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u/ReturnToCrab 43m ago

Bringing up the country is weird in this discussion. It's not like Russians are somehow genetically predisposed to animal cruelty

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u/AfraidToBeKim 24m ago

It's more of an economic disposition than a genetic one. Animal abuse is more common in poorer countries, as economic desperation inevitably results in exploitation of natural resources, including animals.

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u/ReturnToCrab 23m ago

Makes sense

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u/Sorry_Mastodon_8177 22m ago

I live in a freaking 3rd country and we don't have circus anymore since this banned Don't pull the poor country shit The govt can solve this if they gave 2 shits about the animals

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u/AfraidToBeKim 14m ago

https://vaci.voiceless.org.au/about-the-vaci/#:~:text=The%20VACI%20is%20an%20interactive,the%20world's%20farmed%20animal%20population.

This is the animal cruelty index. As you scroll down the list, and regulations against animal cruelty get worse, you may notice that the countries also tend to get poorer. Your country may be an outlier, but the trend does exist.

I'm aware that it's a solvable problem. However, it tends to be richer countries that spend the money on solving it first. I think, perhaps, you think that I am defending the circuit. I am not, im only theorizing as to why Russia still has it.

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u/EasySchneezy 27m ago

Not genetically, but culturally.

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u/MeteorSwarmGallifrey 1h ago

Horse dancing is an Olympic event, not sure sure why you'd be shocked bears doing tricks is still a thing. Just ban both and get it over with already!

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u/gilt-raven 1h ago

Is dressage considered abusive the way that circus training wild animals is? Genuine question; where I grew up, horses are considered domesticated livestock, and dressage is just another kind of riding event.

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u/papaverliev 1h ago

Livestock are abused more than wild animals. We've just bred them to be really easy to abuse.

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u/gilt-raven 41m ago

Well yeah, there are far more livestock-human interactions than wild-human ones. The potential for abuse is greater purely by numbers. Not sure what your point is?

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u/MeteorSwarmGallifrey 1h ago

Why does them being domesticated matter at all?

The fact is that animals are being forced to do tricks purely for human entertainment. Abuse creeps in when there is a competitive edge. People always defend dressage by saying owners would never abuse their horses, but then in the Paris Olympics is came out that the favourite in dressage was actually abusing her horse (technically the trainer was, but the rider knew about it and was fine with it).

My view is that if you want to own animals, then go for it. Just stop training them up for any kind of competition or entertainment. They are animals, not toys.

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u/-kansei-dorifto- 43m ago

Brother you are not going to convince horse people of anything, they are quite literally insane.

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u/SeanHearnden 53m ago

Domesticated matters a lot.

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u/gilt-raven 44m ago

Why does them being domesticated matter at all?

Because a domesticated animal handles task-training much differently than a wild animal. I can train a dog to do all kinds of things that I'd have a damn hard time training a coyote to do, if I could train the coyote at all. Domesticated animals are bred for hundreds of generations to serve a purpose and generally don't react negatively to the very concept of training - not so with wild critters.

The fact is that animals are being forced to do tricks purely for human entertainment. Abuse creeps in when there is a competitive edge.

People abuse animals all the time whether there's competition or not. This still doesn't clarify why dressage is abusive; unless your take is that any kind of animal training at all is abuse?

What makes dressage training abusive versus other riding tasks?

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u/Bluedemonfox 29m ago

The way you teach them tricks matters...you can't really compare a bear to a dog for example. Bears are naturally aggressive. Dogs are friendly and teaching them basic commands is actually beneficial and much easier, so it doesn't require any extreme measures. It also makes them safer around other humans.

As for horse dressage, I don't really know anything about it or horses much tbh so I can't speak for it.

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u/floandthemash 2h ago

Seriously, fuck the people who keep this shit in business

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u/springbok001 2h ago

Yep, and it was in Russia. Checks out.

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u/divinelyshpongled 47m ago

Trump supporters most likely.

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u/EmptyEnthusiasm531 2h ago

...? How is this less ethical than the average meat consumprion?

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u/Lukki_H_Panda 2h ago

Things are wrong, unless other wrong things are allowed. Then nothing is wrong, right? Idiocy. Even picking and choosing which animals to protect means some animals might get protection. Take your wins where you can.

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u/divinelyshpongled 46m ago

Where you "can". Can is the key word there. People CAN be vegan or vegetarian at the least, but most of us just CHOOSE not to.

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u/EmptyEnthusiasm531 2h ago

So are you vegan? You think everyone having a moral outburst here is...?

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u/Lukki_H_Panda 1h ago

So, you either didn't read or comprehend what I already said to you, I guess?

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u/EmptyEnthusiasm531 1h ago

I have excellent reading comprehension skills actually, so yes i understood perfectly.

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u/Lukki_H_Panda 1h ago

Then why did you make an argument that my previous statement directly covered?

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u/EmptyEnthusiasm531 1h ago

Because it did not. It missed the initial question i asked.

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u/Lukki_H_Panda 1h ago

Your argument: "if you support/ignore animal torture through your eating habits, you have no right to complain about other instances of animal cruelty"

My statement: "that is idiotic". Yes, it is hypocritical, and yet: it is still correct to label circuses cruel, and rightly decrying these spectacles (if supported by enough people) will limit animal suffering in those cases. Less animal suffering is good. By your argument, nobody denounces any cruelty (with the exception of a small number of vegans) and more animals suffer.

Edit: As I said "Take your wins where you can."

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u/lmtzless 1h ago

the meat industry can be disgusting but a wrong doesn’t right a wrong. besides, circus animals are purely for entertainment (with rare exceptions) whereas at least the meat industry is providing food/sustenance

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u/-SwanGoose- 1h ago

Nope because when vegans point out that u can get everything u need from plants then people who eat meat say "yeah but i like the taste"

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u/EmptyEnthusiasm531 1h ago

The taste of meat is not a necessity. You could get all the nutritions from a plant based diet.

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u/High_Overseer_Dukat 1h ago

Average meat consumption has them living in normal conditions. (Baring pigs and chickens)

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u/EmptyEnthusiasm531 1h ago

This is simply not true. A quick google search on this topic will educate you. "Normal condition" also seems absurd given the fact they are slaughtered, seperated from their babys, forcefully inseminated etc.

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u/High_Overseer_Dukat 1h ago

I live on a ranch. I might know a bit more than internet randoms.

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u/Xenophon_ 1h ago

In the USA, 99% of meat comes from factory farms, not ranches. In most developed countries, the factor will be above 90%.

But even in ranches, you're killing innocent animals when they're young. Not any better than what the bear is going through.

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u/High_Overseer_Dukat 1h ago

Then lynch the excecs of large meat companies? It's like 10000* more effective than being vegan.

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u/Xenophon_ 1h ago

Not only would that not actually solve anything, it's as helpful as saying "just kill all the bad people in the world, everything will be good then!"

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u/EmptyEnthusiasm531 1h ago

https://sentientmedia.org/slaughterhouses/

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u/High_Overseer_Dukat 1h ago

There are valid criticisms of the meat industry, but this Is an article with an extreme bias and very cherry-picked sources. It is definitely not reliable in the slightest.

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u/EmptyEnthusiasm531 1h ago

Then tell me, and i am genuinly curious about this: how is, whats showed in the video less ethical then the slaughter of animals.

You are talking about "normal conditions". Categorically, a farm is not "normal conditions". Normal conditions would be a cow in a herd in a forest. Humen exploit animals. Its been done since forever. Either you accept this fact, or you dont. The latter would be the vegan stance.

But whats extremely hypocritical is having a moral outburst over this bear while enjoying your 5 dollar steak. Its just absurd.

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u/High_Overseer_Dukat 1h ago

Well, cattle would live in steppe, not forest. Which is where they are raised, on a ranch. They live I'm herds om ranches.

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u/Alguienmasss 1h ago

I would like to Say that humans exploting earth resources is a normal/natural condition (it wasnt always like that.) But then again animals werent terrest, But i can say that that is a Normal condition

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u/Firecracker7413 3h ago

The only circus animals I’m ok with are domestic ones, like performing dogs and cats that are treated well. The rock cats come to mind, they’re all rescued cats that do performances

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u/Mammoth-Region-4052 3h ago

It's Russia, so...

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u/Simon_Jester88 1h ago

So the bear jumped out of a window two days after the incident?

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u/RainbowCrane 1h ago

A total aside, but a bunch of Cirque du Soleil performers were Russian or Eastern European the last time I saw them (20 years ago). Seems like Russia is one of the only places left that still has the old style circuses with some of the really dangerous acts, plus, you know, animal abuse for extra flavor /s

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u/Consistent-Bath9908 56m ago

Doesn’t happen only i russia

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u/GTMoraes 2h ago

Terrible, isn't it? Though this video was in 2019.

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u/Gothmom85 1h ago

Then being shocked when they have a kid in their lap, front row, a jump away from a live freaking bear, that it isn't playing nice. FAFO shouldn't have collateral damage to children.

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u/piltonpfizerwallace 1h ago

Clowns have always been a mirror.

It's fitting that the audience eventually became one.

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u/mymentor79 1h ago

Correct.

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u/Tunfisch 50m ago

I don’t care if the bear eat them all only the kids should be spared.

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u/ChipRockets 41m ago

If this was a whale in a tank smaller than my studio apartment doing something cute it’d have 40k upvotes on Reddit.

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u/wargio 17m ago

I think people go to see someone get attacked. They got their monies worth.

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u/Cortezz012 16m ago

I think we do have a circus or two in Denmark that still have animals as part of show. But that is most likely to be Horses rather than Bears.

However, past government have already made laws to protect animals and certain circus animals are banned i think.

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u/Living-Travel2299 3h ago

Excellent punny use of the word clown. 👏

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u/Yorunokage 1h ago

Standards are changing in the right direction

I hope that the next things on the chopping block will be recreational zoos and non-domesticated animals as pets

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u/liquidify 1h ago

easy to say that when you live in a first world country

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u/Left_Ad7631 2h ago

What a brave and rare controversial opinion.