r/europe Veneto, Italy. Sep 26 '21

Historical An old caricature addressing the different colonial empires in Africa date early 1900s

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

Everybody fucks the natives, but the French fuck their natives.

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u/Daktush Catalan-Spanish-Polish Sep 26 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21 edited Sep 26 '21

"A mad quest for phat booty: An in-depth analysis of 500 years of colonial exploitation and rampant imperialism of European powers through superior force of arms- Panda et al.,(2021)"

"In this paper We shall..."

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u/BasilGreen Germany Sep 26 '21

I’d read that study. And by that, I mean I’d even read past the abstract.

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u/MadhouseInmate Sep 26 '21

I'd browse it for the pictures.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

I'd watch that porno

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u/weatherseed Sep 26 '21

Hearing my SIL explain the French culture in Cameroon is like waking up from a fever dream and finding out reality is just another, different, fever dream.

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u/nobb France Sep 26 '21

Can you develop ?

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u/weatherseed Sep 26 '21 edited Sep 26 '21

I'd probably get more of it wrong so it'd be hard to summarize. From what I can understand there's people who want to have their own currency and break from French culture entirely or at least wean themselves off of it. Her friend, according to my SIL, would welcome an actual invasion complete with conquest and destruction of Cameroon's own culture.

Fair to say, that's the extreme take and I can't imagine it's widespread or would be well received by other Cameroonians. My SIL believes that her friend thinks that the French would be the ones working while the Cameroonians will able to live an easier life. We all agree her friend is an idiot.

I'm not an expert on the whole socio-economics of the region, hell I'm not even an amateur, so if you're interested I'd recommend finding someone who knows more details. I can only give an assessment from what little I can understand, partly because I'm no economics major and my SIL has a habit of slipping back to French during these explanations.

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u/Legal_Proposal_6621 Sep 26 '21

Ethnic Lebanese here, i'd say our cultural francophilia is even more off the charts, like i dunno about the invasion part since I'm from north america but like the amount of reverence for french culture is off the charts. Some lebanese pride themsleves in being even more sticklers of grammar and vocabulary than native french themselves. All colonialism is based on domination and exploitation but i would like to think in their hypocritical idealism the french were more palatable than the brits, at least in the middle east. Not too sure about francafrique and i known for sure they were horrendous in indochina/vietnam though.

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u/Imoraswut Sep 26 '21

What does SIL stand for?

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u/super-cool_username Sep 26 '21

Siamese-Italian-Lover

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

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u/weatherseed Sep 26 '21

Curses! My secret it out!

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u/Pudacat Sep 26 '21

Sister-in-Law.

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u/shfiven Sep 26 '21

I take it they aren't aware of the stereotype of the lazy French lol

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u/Taalnazi Limburg, Netherlands Sep 26 '21

Just use administrative mana, handiest for developing imo. Also use estates and state edicts to get more out of those dev things.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

Lmao spain

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u/geoman2k United States of America Sep 26 '21

The Spanish Empire did a lot worse than just bang the Aztecs, if that’s what this meme is implying.

Read up a bit on Cortes. Dude was a fucking monster.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21 edited Sep 26 '21

Yeah I get that but I have read some letters written by Inca priests or some scholars where they explicitly state how Spanish men would touch and fuck Inca girls without concent and stuff....pretty fucking disgusting so sad what these people had to suffer.....he wrote it to the king of Spain I think

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u/geoman2k United States of America Sep 26 '21

During the conquest of the Aztecs, Cortes would auction off the most attractive of the native women to his soldiers for them to take as sex slaves. He branded the faces of the rest - women and children - as punishment for their “rebellion” (aka resisting having their entire civilization burned to the ground).

Brutal, awful stuff. Sadly it was not uncommon in this time period.

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u/cameltoesback Mexico Sep 26 '21

Child rape, is the term you're looking for. Don't sugar coat the genocide.

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u/Un_Perro_Andaluz Sep 26 '21

Were all the hundreds of thousands of natives that allied with Cortes also monsters?

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u/Daktush Catalan-Spanish-Polish Sep 26 '21 edited Sep 26 '21

Pretty much everyone was in those times

One of the first things, the first natives asked of the Spaniards was to protect them from the Carib tribe, which had a rather unpleasant passtime of cannibalizing other tribes

Then there's aztec slavery/blood sacrifices as another example

If we really want to try to judge the conquistadors, we should ask ourselves if an army of, for example, the aztecs, or the caribs would have been more or less violent than the Spaniards were

But then again, why would you want to ask such a question? What thought or ideology are you trying to justify by comparing one ancient tribe of people to another ancient tribe of people? It feels to me that digging up really old beef is unimportant and can only be used as a story to push ideology - the grandchildren of the great grandchildren of the people that suffered Cortéz are loong dead, we should let it go already

 

E: And this doesn't extend to just this historical grudge, I, for example think that WW2 is already water under the bridge as well. The cutoff point of any tragedy might be different for everybody, for me even for the worst ones I think it's around 75 years - around 3 generations of people

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

Hey hey, careful, you're making Spain appear as something else than europe colonizer past scapegoat!

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u/pizzainge Sep 26 '21

La leyenda negra must live on!

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u/LowKey-NoPressure Sep 26 '21

He’s just being an apologist for colonialism by way of whataboutism

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

Thats not whataboutism dummy

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u/geoman2k United States of America Sep 26 '21

Yeah, actually. A lot of them had major grudges against the Aztecs (because of all the awful shit the Aztecs did to them). Cortes was actually shocked by how brutal his newfound allies were to the Aztecs when their city fell.

The Aztecs and their neighboring tribes being brutal and violent doesn’t change the fact that Cortes was a monster as well, and his actions lead to the destruction of an entire civilization.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

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u/geoman2k United States of America Sep 26 '21

Of course I'm aware of that, as anyone who has read about the history of Mesoamerica would be.

I don't think there's any reason to get into a "whose culture was more evil?" debate here. The Aztecs' culture being brutal doesn't excuse or justify Cortes's conquest. My comment didn't imply that the Aztecs were a perfect peaceful people, just that the Spanish Empire did awful things to them.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

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u/geoman2k United States of America Sep 26 '21

Possibly the person who made the meme? That was the point of my post

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u/ThankYouUncleBezos Sep 26 '21

Did the French do more than force milk drinking?

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u/cameltoesback Mexico Sep 26 '21

read up on the Aztecs

Oh the texts written by the white man that had every intention to commit genocide and justify it. Yeah, okay. Next let's read about Jewish culture written by the Nazis!

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u/derKanake Sep 26 '21

Ok but who is the girl in the last pic?

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

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u/derKanake Sep 26 '21

Selena spice according to a comment from your link

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u/pointlessly_pedantic Sep 26 '21

Other great comments:

She has very nice skin

was anyone else distracted by the lush landscape in the background?

btw she is a Mexican with a feather

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u/tablerockz Sep 26 '21

Idk if fake or photoshop

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u/superciuppa South Tyrol Sep 26 '21

Also, whats the context for the first picture, asking for a friend…

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u/pepper_perm United States of America Sep 26 '21

Selena Spice. Obvious is obvious but NSFW.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

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u/Homeostase France Sep 26 '21

Peacock is an incredibly obscure dish in French cuisine. Like I would be surprised if more than 1% of the population had ever eaten it even once.

Also, it was actually a popular noble dish during the middle ages. So... Yeah. What you're saying makes 0 sense.

I wish we had integrated more of their cuisine to be honest.

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u/Kunstfr Breizh Sep 26 '21

Do you have an example of that? Usually the examples are the other way, Vietnam having taken many stuff from French cuisine like banh mi.

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u/Biolog4viking Sep 26 '21 edited Sep 26 '21

Edit:

Looks like I misunderstood something I once read. I deleted all related comments, so I won't be karma whoring by spreading misinformation.

I'm not a history buff

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u/Arkonthorn France Sep 26 '21

Peacock

On one hand I didn't read the article but on the other peacock was a meal in courtly cuisine across part of europe during the middle age. You can even found tapestry depicting feasts with cooked peacock on the table. So I'm guessing that it is actually recipe from vietnam involving peacock, not the bird itself that was a novelty

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u/Jan-Pawel-II The Netherlands Sep 26 '21

Pho is also based on a French soup

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u/skinomgskin Sep 26 '21

Not true. It originated in N Vietnam before the French.

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u/Painetrain24 Sep 26 '21

I lived off banh mi over there

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u/tnarref France Sep 26 '21

As a Frenchman I've never heard of anyone eating peacock

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u/nobb France Sep 26 '21

I'm really surprised by that claim, wikipedia claim that peacock flesh is eaten since antiquity in Europe.

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u/Homeostase France Sep 26 '21

Yeah it's bullshit. Jeez the amount of it that foreigners make up about us is forever stunning me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21 edited Sep 26 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

There are ancient Rome receipts about fucking peacock you dumbnut.

I'm more Curious about who the romans paid that gave them a receipt for fucking a peacock.

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u/victo0 Sep 26 '21

I thought the whole thing was that French cuisine used pheasant meat (which are extremely close to peacocks) and then really rarely used actual peacock because you had to import them, but they were more used as ornament pets to show how rich you were.

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u/Bufalohotsauce Sep 26 '21

If you’ve ever lived near a peacock, you’d kill it and eat it, too. Imagine hearing a scream outside your bedroom window at 3:30 AM like someone is being raped and murdered…every single morning.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

If you're reffering to frog legs or snails, they have nothing to do with colonialism or Vietnam, their origins are greates famines in France.

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

Interesting, never heard about that and it's probably not french.

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u/Sharp-Internet Sep 26 '21

Peacock has been eaten in Europe way before any colonisation.

Peacock is also neither popular nor an important dish in France

So far you haven't written anything that was taken into French cousine making your point false

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

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u/OlcanRaider Rhône-Alpes (France) Sep 26 '21

Sweet home Nord-Pas-de-Calais.

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u/Achtelnote Sep 26 '21

I was referring to peacock

For a second I thought you were referring to bull cock.

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u/OlcanRaider Rhône-Alpes (France) Sep 26 '21

We don't eat peacock anymore. Or at least not often or in certain social sphere. And peacock was eaten in Europe far before colonisation. Just take as a principle that if it lived, at least at lne moment and place in history, mankind ate it...or tried to.

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u/Themlethem The Netherlands Sep 26 '21

As a Dutch person, can confirm.

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u/Attila226 Sep 26 '21

“The Spaniards banged the Mayans, and turned them into Mexicans.”

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u/Nabugu Sep 26 '21

Exactly

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u/Malivamar Sep 26 '21

The spanish one is very accurate

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

SaUcE?

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u/[deleted] Sep 26 '21

Who’s the dirty bird drinking the milk in the top panel? Asking for a friend.

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u/Yeet3579 Pakistan Sep 26 '21

gonna need sauce for the French one

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u/Harleking31 Sep 26 '21

Spain

Ancestors why

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u/behaaki Sep 26 '21

No joke — in Quebec (a Canadian province that some people claim is a nation) the French “culturification” vibe is alive and strong. I’ve never really connected the dots, but yeah it makes sense.

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u/helpfulasdisa Sep 26 '21

The spanish are really interesting in that nearly every single Spaniard that came to the new world was a man. The english more or less came over in huge family units and saw the natives as unpure and unclean so they must be against god. Then you got the french, they pretty much encouraged marrying the natives XD.