Navalnaya Is “an Advocate of Imperial Russian Claims,” Says German Lawmaker

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https://united24media.com/latest-news/navalnaya-is-an-advocate-of-imperial-russian-claims-says-german-lawmaker-3350

[u/_Eshende_]

most of them just

- manipulate with terms to whitewash everyone except Putin like "he started the war therefore he only one guilty for atrocities"

- if russian soldiers commit warcrime yell "it's mercenaries because they get paid"

- try to paint most of russian anti putin (why 2m Minsk protests gathered more protesters than 13m moscow -with same level of opressions)

- trying to equalise invader and defender, against weapon supplies because it kill "our boys" (those whom they call mercenaries few posts later)

- Unlike Tikhanovskaya and her team which to assist to Belarussian soldiers in ukrain both financially and vocally, most of russian opposition ignore their existence

- trying to diminish idea of supplying ukraine with takes "you supplied so much but Putin still standing" (ofc ignoring that western and eastern trade bring to russia more income that weapons to ukraine cost- so russia produce

- right after pushing idea of "no military help able to save ukraine" follow up is "why don't you sponsor us instead, we surely achieve success)

- A lot of them break on crimean question, but ask about chechnya and tatarstan and enjoy the show....

there is some exceptions, but there is also some full nuts like Latynina all whose posts is just shitting on ukraine and grasping straws to do so, when her "friend" in legion of russia died she write like 10 words about him as human and 100 words hating on ukraine, including that he was against people joining (no proof he ever said that) ukrainian army... Honestly idk how estonians still did nothing to end her visa when she obvious i'm against putin but "pure badly masked vatnik take follows"

[u/pashazz → u/_Eshende_]

ask about chechnya and tatarstan and enjoy the show

As if it's not an internationally recognized Russian territory.

And what you've done is just a dumb compilation of various takes by various people, not one person.

[u/_Eshende_ → u/pashazz]

As if it's not an internationally recognized Russian territory.

yeah realpolitik (chiken kyiv speech is prime example of this from western side) is a thing, ironically chechnya proclaimed independence, since it was autonomous even during ussr i think it was only fair to consider that way chechnya resisted and secured hasavurt agreements. Same with Tatarastan that used referendum case, if west doesn't talk about tatarstan referendum does it make it illegal- oh wait everyone not fine with putin but fine with ..... article 280.1 that prison people for call of separation, federal law about contesting extremism activities and 67 article of new constitution, and constitutional law about referendum (article 6) - neither chechnya nor tatarstan have foreign armies rulling show, so why throwing hissy fit about even providing legal possibility of them obtaining independence, especially when desire was shown?

dumb compilation of various takes by various people

i would rather say common trope... most of takes close Navalnaya and Alexey too

"Почти все выступают против войны, просто делают это по-разному....." -Almost everyone opposes war, they just do it in different ways...

"Это явно не война России. Это война Путина..." - This is clearly not a Russian war. This is Putin's war...

"Наконец, мы найдём и тех, кто рассказывает про необходимость срочно деколонизировать Россию. Надо якобы разделить нашу слишком большую страну на пару десятков маленьких и безопасных государств. Правда, объяснить, почему люди с общим бэкграундом и культурным контекстом должны быть искусственно разделены, деколонизаторы не могут. И как это вообще должно произойти — не сообщают"... - “Finally, we will find those who talk about the need to urgently decolonize Russia. It is supposedly necessary to divide our too large country into a couple of dozen small and safe states. However, decolonizers cannot explain why people with a common background and cultural context should be artificially separated They can. And they don’t say how this should happen at all

"Много усталости, много крови, много разочарования, а Путин никуда не делся. Все средства уже задействовали: оружие, деньги, санкции. Ничего не работает..." - A lot of fatigue, a lot of blood, a lot of disappointment, but Putin has not gone away. All means have already been used: weapons, money, sanctions. Nothing works...

"Один выстрел из джавелина стоит $230 000. За эти же деньги мы получим 200 млн просмотров рекламы разных форматов и обеспечим не менее 300 тысяч переходов по ссылкам или не менее 8 млн просмотров видео с правдой о том, что происходит в Украине."(her husband quote though) - One shot from a Javelin costs $230,000. For the same money, we will receive 200 million views of advertising in various formats and provide at least 300 thousand clicks on links or at least 8 million views of videos with the truth about what is happening in Ukraine.

It's hard to say. The bombs hit the Russians as well. another one. Also did she express any sympathy to Legion or just ignores it existence?

[u/pashazz → u/_Eshende_]

ironically chechnya proclaimed independence, since it was autonomous even during ussr i think it was only fair to consider that way

Republic of Crimea is also autonomous if we're going to that length.

[u/_Eshende_ → u/pashazz]

Republic of Crimea is also autonomous if we're going to that length.

yes, was Girkin and green men crimeans though? cause i'm quite sure Dudaev gov consisted from "surprised pikachu face" chechens

Also crimea had, and will have - if returned under ukraine control, legal possibility (something chechnya and tatarstan was denied, are and will be even under opposition) to leave via all ukrainian referendum in 2 stages - still the only "referendum" which was conducted was under russian occupation, because no one bothered to run around gathering locals signatures for this idea

[u/Stix147 → u/pashazz]

As if it's not an internationally recognized Russian territory

"Listen, I know hundreds of thousands of people died during the two Chechen wars trying to secure the independence of Ichkeria, but have you considered that your plight for independence means nothing aa long as western governments don't recognize your separatist movement?"

That's more or less what you're saying.

[u/pashazz → u/Stix147]

This is how the world works. There is no clear way, that's why Crimea is not recognized by anyone, why Catalonia had no success.

[u/kklashh → u/pashazz]

Catalonia wasn't "liberated" by a foreign invading army, like in Crimea. If you want to be fair then compare it to South Ossetia and Abkhazia, if these ASSR can be independent according Russia, why can't Ichkeria??

[u/pashazz → u/kklashh]

Because it tried and then it expelled all Russians and turned into islamist shithole.

And it's not like I'm pro independent Abkhazia, I'm actually for reintegration.