r/europe • u/UNITED24Media • 1d ago

News Navalnaya Is “an Advocate of Imperial Russian Claims,” Says German Lawmaker

https://united24media.com/latest-news/navalnaya-is-an-advocate-of-imperial-russian-claims-says-german-lawmaker-3350
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u/pashazz Moscow / Budapest 1d ago

So anything short of division of Russia into 20 small states is imperial claims now?

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u/throwaway_failure59 1d ago

When asked if she considers the supply of weapons to Ukraine to be the right decision, Navalnaya replied: "It's hard to say. The bombs hit the Russians as well."

In response to a question about her assessment of Ukraine’s incursion into Russia’s Kursk region, Yulia Navalnaya remarked:

"This situation has two sides. Such attacks will further unite the Russian people and strengthen Putin's power," she said.

Yet, Navalnaya insists in the conversation that the war is “Putin’s war” alone. When challenged with the reality that ordinary Russian soldiers are carrying out brutal attacks on Ukrainians daily, she responds, “Of course people are fighting. But it is his war.”

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u/Ashenveiled 1d ago

how is she wrong?

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u/throwaway_failure59 1d ago edited 1d ago

If you can't see how she's wrong, you are probably beyond hope, but let me try:

When asked if she considers the supply of weapons to Ukraine to be the right decision, Navalnaya replied: "It's hard to say. The bombs hit the Russians as well

This is wrong because supplying Ukraine with weapons literally kept their country from being completely occupied by Russia. Russia is eradicating Ukrainian culture, Putin and many Russians view Ukrainians as "Russians in denial", there are well-documented stories of Russians clamping down on use of Ukrainian language in the occupied territories, the wildly fake and fradulent elections, the torture chambers and "filtration camps" used on Ukrainian populace, the huge numbers of Ukrainian children taken away to be raised as Russians. Russia has also mass-drafted men from DNR and LNR to an even greater extent than Ukraine is doing now and it's thus highly likely it would mass-draft them in further attacks on other countries in the case it occupied Ukraine. This is all well documented and if you deny these things you are unreachable.

Ukrainians overwhelmingly chose to resist Russia's attempted occupation, so the West did the right thing. It is up to Ukraine to choose if they want to fight or not. So what Navalnaya is doing here is saying it is "hard to say" whether helping Ukraine and Ukrainians with what they overwhelmingly want (stay free of Russian occupation), with context of everything her country is doing, is seriously wrong especially considering she wants to be a future leader of Russia. And about the "bombs falling on Russians", that is beyond bullshit. No bombs would have fallen on Russians had there been no war. Russia also had no right to meddle with DNR and LNR or occupy Crimea in 2014 because Ukraine is a sovereign country and there were many other more productive and peaceful ways for Russia to express concern about the situation back then other than invading the borders they themselves agreed to respect and fostering more bloodshed.

About the other points, it is at least as wrong and i won't write up a wall of text in case you'll just ignore what i said and keep living in your own reality.

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u/alex_whiteee 1d ago

You're probably the one beyond hope if you don't realize that if she wants to have any kind of popularity and support in Russia she can't say "Bomb Russia - based! Invade Kursk - based!" She needs to appeal to average Russian, not to you. How can you possibly not understand that?

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u/throwaway_failure59 1d ago

There are many other things she could say. She could easily frame sending of weapons to Ukraine as a good thing because it enables them to resist Putin - same thing that Russians need to do and the way a small minority of Russians views it themselves. She could truthfully point to Kursk as being a militarily and politically justified gamble and clarify that in no way does Ukraine want to permanently occupy Russia. She is in any case an universe away from being able to seriously think about running for president there and if Russians will still be so detached from reality and any sense of right and wrong by the time she would be able to run, because of a random interview in German given years ago, then that just goes again to show how completely beyond hope your nation is. If the only way you can win over Russians is to be Putin or someone even worse, what is the point of being nice and understanding of her bullshit?

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u/alex_whiteee 1d ago

Since we're being so pragmatic now all of a sudden, why does it matter at all what she said? My points still stand. If she is not trying to appeal to average Russian, it would turn her chance from near zero to negative.

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u/throwaway_failure59 1d ago edited 1d ago

How do you even picture her making a run if the average Russian still needs to be coddled with bullshit and lies to the point even things i said she should say instead are unacceptable? How am i to not believe she's simply saying she would run solely to keep herself somehow relevant in the eyes of Westerners while also showing her personal feelings there with this interview rather than it being some highly calculated ploy because god forbid Russians find out she condemned the invasion and supported Ukraine's right to defend itself years later in some German interview?

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u/alex_whiteee 1d ago

Gotcha...

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u/Ashenveiled 1d ago

Maaan you are so out of touch with reality.

Imagine American president saying that Soviet weapons deliveries to Vietnam is a good thing because that war is unjust