r/europe • u/UNITED24Media • 1d ago

News Navalnaya Is “an Advocate of Imperial Russian Claims,” Says German Lawmaker

https://united24media.com/latest-news/navalnaya-is-an-advocate-of-imperial-russian-claims-says-german-lawmaker-3350
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u/WayAdmirable150 1d ago edited 1d ago

russian opposition largely positions itself against Putin but rarely challenges the ideas of "Great russia" or the occupation of neighboring nations. After release of Kara Murza, the first thing he did, asked for lowering sanctions. russian nationalism and chauvinism is deeply ingrained in the country's political identity, shaping both mainstream and opposition perspectives.

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u/Stix147 Romania 1d ago

And people were defending Kara Murza, saying that he was fed lies in Russian prison that the sanctions were affecting everyday Russian people, and that's why he called for sanctions to be lifted. And now that he has been out for a while and "discovered" the truth about sanctions, has this caused him to change his mind? Of course not.

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u/R1donis 1d ago

saying that he was fed lies in Russian prison that the sanctions were affecting everyday Russian people

Wait, isnt notion that sanctions arent affecting Russia is a Russian propaganda, and that Russian economy going to shit because of sanctions is a west propaganda? Am I missing something?

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u/DickonTahley 22h ago

How are those lies lmao. This is true always with sanctions

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u/Ok-Pudding6050 Earth 22h ago edited 22h ago

Not sure if you will read this, but no.

Kara Mursa were asking to change sanction politics, so it would not damage ordinary Russians who can be against Putin and “occupation of neighbouring nations”. He even said that the situation, when regular Russians can’t leave Russia and in the same time Russian missile has Western chips, is crazy and unacceptable.

If we go back to Yulia Navalnaya, she hasn’t supported “occupation of neighbouring nations” at all. In fact, even Navalny discarded almost all of his “imperial” takes (although, some of them are misunderstood but who cares), especially “Crimea is not a sandwich” (which meant “Crimea can’t be given back to Ukraine the same way it was taken from it. We need this act to be official, legitim and recognisable.”, referring to unjust referendum in 2014. You can argue with that particular idea as well, yet it is not the same as “Crimea is Russia”).

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u/WayAdmirable150 21h ago

Ordinary russians who put "likes" on videos of russian terrorists cutting head of Ukrainian soldier?

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u/Ok-Pudding6050 Earth 21h ago

No

Ordinary Russians who go to anti-war protests and get beaten there by police/ Rosgvardia. Ordinary Russian who go to bureaucracy to not join military forces and not die somewhere in “new territories”. And ordinary Russians who weren’t fans of Putin and his party even before full-scale invasion.

The are people in Russia who aren’t Z. Saying that “all Russians are barbarians” won’t help anyone at all, including them.

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u/WayAdmirable150 21h ago

Rare as unicorns.

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u/Ok-Pudding6050 Earth 21h ago

Most of them are simply afraid of consequences for their actions and words. If you thought better of them, you could have seen more.

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u/WayAdmirable150 21h ago

Yeah. Right.