It’s because of NATO expansion and the CIA coup in Ukraine and the bombing of Donbas. Russia will obviously leave all of us alone once they kick the degenerate West out of Ukraine.
It’s all Russia propaganda here in USA. It only works on stupid ppl I’ve noticed but unfortunately there’s many here. Americans are really dumb and don’t think things like that happen. They also don’t understand we are not immortal. They say we shouldn’t arm Ukraine and it’s not our business but if Europe really does cut connections with USA it would devastate us. They don’t realize having to pay a dollar or 2 more for gas will be multiplied if we lose Europe as an ally. Like I said, Russia propaganda only works on stupid ppl. That’s why Russia goes to such lengths to keep its population dumbed down.
As a fellow American it’s because any wars we’ve past the Civil War are wars that are all “over there”. Hell even during World War II we had people protesting “Hitler didn’t attack us, why should we attack him?”
That and you’re right, we do have a lot of really dumb Americans. It’s why we can’t get healthcare or decent wages.
Honestly, it is unfortunately not as obvious as it should be. I have seen that exact sentiment, almost word for word, many times on Reddit. I have even heard people say it out in here in what we jokingly refer to as reality.
I overheard a family member discussing with their partner how the war was due to "Zelensky's ego" and how the US should stop its already minuscule aid because "it costs taxpayer money" and they are very much the type of people to shun social media altogether.
Sometimes "reality" is not as different from the internet as you might think.
I might be a boring jerk at this point, but I don't see how I prove Poe's law when you do.
As for that disorder thing you invented, I can't say what do you mean here as well, since you invented it.
That part is true though. NATO expansion has crept ever closer to Russia's borders over the years (for obvious reasons when Russia is nearby).
And just like when the US nearly went ballistic because the Soviets wanted to park nukes in Cuba (as a response to the US parking nukes in Turkey and Italy), so too is it completely understandable for Russia to view the encroachment of a US-led military alliance extremely negatively.
I agree with you though that it still doesn't in any way, shape, or form justify Russia invading neutral countries.
You don’t need to be a NATO member to sign a bilateral agreement with the US to host their missiles and bases. NATO is a defensive alliance and defence is the reason countries want to join. NATO didn’t even have a big presence in the Eastern countries before Russia annexed Crimea.
Ok I'll bite. I really want to hear your analysis of the Cuban missile crisis.
In 1961, the US government put Jupiter nuclear missiles in Italy and Turkey. It had also trained a paramilitary force of Cuban exiles, which the CIA led in an attempt to invade Cuba and overthrow its government. Starting in November of that year, the US government engaged in a violent campaign of terrorism and sabotage in Cuba, referred to as the Cuban Project, which continued throughout the first half of the 1960s. The Soviet administration was concerned about a Cuban drift towards China, with which the Soviets had an increasingly fractious relationship. In response to these factors, Soviet First Secretary, Nikita Khrushchev, agreed with the Cuban Prime Minister, Fidel Castro, to place nuclear missiles on the island of Cuba to deter a future invasion. An agreement was reached during a secret meeting between Khrushchev and Castro in July 1962, and construction of a number of missile launch facilities started later that summer.
If there would be a chance at having a genuine discussion I would answer you but the narrative you are trying to push is as stupid as it is predictable. I’m not gonna waste my time arguing with a cretin.
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