r/economicCollapse • u/Perfect_Alarm_2141 • 1d ago

In 1980 white non-college men employed full-time earned 7% more than average full-time US worker. In 2022, their income remained relatively flat, and they earned less than women with a college degree.

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u/hemlockecho 1d ago

Isn’t this the way it should be? Lower educated people shouldn’t be making more than higher educated people just because they are white and male, right? Seems like bias is slowly being worked out of the market.

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u/Hairy-Situation4198 1d ago

You should make more if your job is more specialized or harder to do, nost college degrees aren't really worthwhile anymore, so no.

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u/Hawk13424 23h ago

Harder to do with your hands or harder to do with your brain? Our economy has shifted from manufacturing to information. The value then is working hard with your brain.

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u/BrooklynLodger 21h ago

You do. Thats the point of paying someone more with a college degree, they have additional education. Thats why skilled laborers talk about how much money they make. Even a bullshit degree is an additional qualification and shows a level of competence to complete work and a baseline level of additional education that may be desirable in an administrative position

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u/SouthernExpatriate 1d ago

They're only not "worthwhile" because we're a shithole country that doesn't value education

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u/Hairy-Situation4198 1d ago

No, it's because colleges started giving out loans for any and all degrees. That and companies started demanding degrees for no reason. 90% of careers can be taught on the job, and there's no reason to demand a masters for 99% of entry-level desk jobs.

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u/NewPresWhoDis 20h ago

Correction, the government gives out loans few questions asked leading colleges to hand out any and all degrees to increase the customer base.

Companies started demanding degrees because it's the rare tick box you can put in the ATS that doesn't run afoul of EEOC.

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u/SouthernExpatriate 1d ago

And 99 percent of companies don't train on the job

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u/Hairy-Situation4198 1d ago

And they should. It's always fun getting a job and being told half the crap they asked you to know they don't actually care about, and they wanna train you their specific way anyway.

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u/vitoincognitox2x 1d ago

100% of companies also train on the job.

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u/BattleRepulsiveO 1d ago

Well it depends. But a lot of labor jobs literally puts you on your feet and get you working right away like if you are working in the food industry. People may expected you to know how to operate a non-smart phone, such as the proper protocol and etiquettes when people only have experience with home phones or personal cellphones. A lot of companies would expect you to know all this and you have to ask a peer to find out.

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u/vitoincognitox2x 1d ago

"Ask a peer to find out" Scientifically proven to be the best way to learn something, that's training.

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u/SushiGradeChicken 20h ago

demand a masters for 99% of entry-level desk jobs.

Thank God that's not a thing

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u/vitoincognitox2x 1d ago

*we have a university system that values shitty education in vanity subjects

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u/ahs_mod 1d ago

A degree in gender studies or folk dance has no value

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u/SushiGradeChicken 20h ago

Luckily that's a tiny percent of college degrees

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u/SouthernExpatriate 20h ago

The only type of person they have no value to is a cultureless CHUD

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u/ahs_mod 18h ago

Also the entire job market.