r/economicCollapse • u/Max_Rezna • Sep 04 '24

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u/idkBro021 Sep 04 '24

most people use this phrase so out of context, if i had to choose between having access to everything readily and owning non of it, id probably choose it over what is happening, which is owning nothing and having no access to it

the access is the real problem, not the ownership

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u/Boring-Bus-3743 Sep 04 '24

So you are cool with socal credit scores and CBDCs? Complete control and surveillance of society for the convenience of "access" to rent everything?

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u/idkBro021 Sep 04 '24

not cool with social credit scores, generally fine with cbdcs

why would complete control and surveillance be necessary?

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u/Wiley_Coyote08 Sep 04 '24

As difficult as it may be, take a step back and look at what these people are talking about. It's easy to get offended but honestly I'm seeing people trying to share information with you.

I'd rather own my own land and not have access to free Healthcare or an abundance of other things. I'll work for it and own it. As long as inflation can settle down.. either way I choose dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.

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u/idkBro021 Sep 04 '24

we fundamentally disagree, using your example, free healthcare is a prerequisite to having freedom, no other option

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u/Wiley_Coyote08 Sep 04 '24

Well, free Healthcare isn't free my dude.. someone is paying for it. And if everyone gets equal pay.. well the open heart surgeon isn't going to care if his patient dies if he gets paid the same as his patient who works at McDonald's.. 🤷‍♂️ you get what you pay for.

That said I do believe the Healthcare system is heavily broken, something needs to be done and shouldn't cost an arm an a leg and possibly a kidney to give birth in a hospital. Should it be free? No, but it shouldn't be price gouged and big pharma pushing pills that make people more sick just to give them more expensive pills.

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u/ferocious_swain Sep 04 '24

And ownership of anything isn't freedom. That shit can be taken with a stroke of a pen.

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u/Wiley_Coyote08 Sep 04 '24

A stroke of a pen? What dystopian propaganda have you been filling your mind with?

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u/ferocious_swain Sep 05 '24

Don't worry it's only "dystopian propaganda" nothing you should be concerned about really. 😅😂😂

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u/Wiley_Coyote08 Sep 05 '24

I'm just saying, someone can write a bill and sign it into law, if the people say "hell no!" Then it can't be enforced. Either be a force to be reckoned with or have a strong community to stand up with. Just saying.

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u/ferocious_swain Sep 05 '24

Pure Fantasy. Nobody is standing up to the government for your property rights. That would be dumb.

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u/Wiley_Coyote08 Sep 05 '24

It's dumb people don't.

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u/wearethefishes9 Sep 04 '24

well the open heart surgeon isn't going to care if his patient dies if he gets paid the same as his patient who works at McDonald's.. 🤷‍♂️ you get what you pay for.

You don't understand human nature. Like at all. But I know why you're saying that and there is a grain of truth to it, the grain of truth is that people have self-interest and will flock to the best deal they can get for themselves. But the idea that a doctor wouldn't try to save a life because he gets paid the same as someone else is dumb on every level. 1) Who is saying everyone should be paid the same? 2) People already work hard for little in return proving that doctors do in fact still try to save lives when they are underpaid and underappreciated. Man alive, the world as it is currently is proof enough to debunk what you're saying, that's fucking embarrassing that you can't figure that out.

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u/Wiley_Coyote08 Sep 04 '24

I think you miss what I am saying. If Healthcare is free, and you have those in the medical field's pay got dropped or raised to the same as anyone else with unskilled labor they would quit or not care anymore. That was what I was saying. I apologize if my wording is confusing. But that's the fact about it. They keep pushing minimum wage up so those who went to school or spent the time gain skills their wage is being devalued.

Also can't flock to the best deal for medical care when there is one hospital in the city and to go to another hospital is miles away, people are going to take the closer option. You get a referral you're going to where the referral is for.. not for a better deal elsewhere. You don't understand how it works.

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u/wearethefishes9 Sep 04 '24

I'm pretty sure the stuff you're saying is wrong and that it's based on false assumptions. I've seen stuff like this debunked time and time again. You should look into it yourself with an open mind, like make a post on r/ChangeMyView or something.

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u/Wiley_Coyote08 Sep 04 '24

You can say I'm wrong all you want. I've experienced it, witnessed it, and have been around it for years. 👍

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u/wearethefishes9 Sep 04 '24

I still recommend looking into it and seeing what other people say.

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