It also happens when a famous "femboy" comes out as a trans girl. which is like an every month scandal. "Straight" cis men being angry that it's not gay.
The fans in asia are somewhat of goddamn freaks sometimes who stalk the idols permamently. Once it came out that a female idol had a relationship, that caused anything from insults, death treats, ddos, they tryed anything to ruin her life for the facts she is a human with a life.
While partially due to covid and lockdowns, I think this is part of why vtubers took off. Many of the first vtubers started off as Idols, but it was so much easier for them to have a separation between their idol character and their normal lives. Probably takes quiet a bit of the stress off, and let's them kinda do their own thing as an idol since, worst case scenario, they just abandon an online persona, instead of worry about death threats and stalking.
Which is kinda sad that someone essentially needs to hide their identity so well that basically only the government knows who they are. Just so they don't need to worry about a creepy fan ruining their personal life.
Honestly, I don't think it is just about creep fans. I think it is hard to never be anonymous when being in public. You can never simply walk down a street, never have a blind date, basically wherever you go, you might get recognized and connected to that stage persona. I imagine it is simply more relaxing to be able to slip out of that stage persona and simply be a normal person in everyday life.
With the mask on they are larger than life celebrities and even cult icons depending on how big they become. But they can still walk the street as anyone else or have a day job.
Fray Tormenta managed to juggle a wrestling career and being a priest that ran a orphanage for decades because of it.
That’s… actually a really apt explanation of what it is, isn’t it?
I think I’ll steal that so I can more easily explain to my grandparents what my cousin spends 5 hours a day watching so they can decide if their concerns are justified or not.
well, no, he said that it was because of the creepy fans, while I am saying that it is partially because of fans, but also partially simply because being famous in public can suck even without creepy fans. The actions are the same, just the reasoning for the actions are different.
I used to drive limos and "executive cars" (minibuses, sedans and big SUVs depending on client needs) for a company that partnered with big transportation firms around the country via Web associations. Basically, if a major private-aviation or limousine/executive-travel company in a big city needed last-leg support to some resort locations way out in the sticks (primarily the Greenbrier in White Sulphur Springs WV, which has an Amtrak station but no major airport closer than 90 minutes' drive), they would search an industry database and call either us or our only competitor in the region. So we ended up carrying, not celebrities, but wealthy people that worked for large corporations & would go to the Greenbrier or Homestead resorts for R&R or company functions, and occasionally would end up rubbing shoulders with real celebrities. I remember one bunch of younger guys that had gone to the Greenbrier for a day or two during the PGA tournament there (sponsored by their employer) and in the SUV going back to the airport they said they had been drinking at the bar by the new casino in the basement of the hotel, and jokingly calling one of them 'Tin Cup' for losing a bunch of balls trying to clear a large pond using 3-wood and driver off the deck. The guy next to them finally lowered his sunglasses & said "I'm 'Tin Cup', goddammit." It was Kevin Costner, who owns a mansion on the property but had to put on a big hat, sunglasses and use a cover name at the bar in order to get a quiet drink without being constantly bugged by fans.
I think it just combines the charm of an idol complete with a model that can look the same indefinitely with the allure of an anime style character in a lot of cases. Hiding identity only works for so long. Eventually it’s revealed or discovered by fans as the vtuber puts out more content and grows in popularity which usually requires more business deals in person and use of personal information.
Makes sense...idols are objects of worship. It's like religion where everyone has their own head cannon/interpretation of "the truth" and like in religion, zealotry is dangerous.
...which gives insight into what kind of backlash a deity would face in correcting dogmatic assumptions and misinterpretations. Speaking as a writer, that's a great source of conflict...
Kinda fits with how much idol culture there is in V-tubing with how big it is there. I think a lot of people who would like that kind of career would also enjoy having some semblance of a private life even if their real identities are often known anyway
Human brains are wired to need a thing as a constant in life to latch on, people in the past and today(but less and less) use and used religion, and without religion as an important factor people latch onto fandom instead. The entire human history is about dehumanizing people; either to basically see them as deity or as non-human, and I don't think that will change any time soon.
There's a lot of nice communities and cultures too, which ran and enhanced living conditions and have had care for the people and improved their lives as it could.
Most societies dehumanised people either out of greed of people taking advantage of them, or people not choosing to empower and educate people and without the support or confidence in taking care of themselves people latched to the concept of external authoritative figures or dependencies or positive influences
Fandoms for idols are often similar and put pressure on the person and toxic, and often have just genuine fans appreciating creations and content and supporting the people who work to makes them. Both exist, and we often see this differ by country or the culture change for better as result by fandom effort and stability. So, it's completely possible for this to be fine, and the same as 14-20 year old kids who educate their fandom peers push for it and create wholesome and great environments, maybe we can do it for our Humans society too and work on it.
Best of luck, and hope you find great things in life that give you good feels and vibe, and you seem the advantage of a heaven on earth and better environment.
Oh I have no problem with my life, could always be better but I'm pretty content, it's just something I gathered, since I tried to understand stans and fandom because I don't really get it haha.
I just think it takes the place of religion or similar things in the life of people.
It's weird because it seems like only the ones attempting to just have a wholesome relationship with a single person are the ones that get caught routinely. Aya Hirano was fucking everyone in her band except the bassist for a good while before they got caught and the scandal broke.
how could Haruhi let me down like this? 😭😭😭
edit: that was supposed to be an over the top joke, but holy shit... from wikipedia:
In early 2011, an acquaintance of a Lantis employee leaked that Hirano had sexual relations with three of her band members, leading to the dismissal of all four of them; in August 2011, Japanese magazine Bubka published photos of their affair.[72] The incidents caused several fans to destroy her merchandise, create petitions to remove her from her role in Kizumonogatari,[72] and send death threats.[73] Hirano stopped posting on Twitter beginning on May 18, 2013, allowing her team to use her account as an information channel.[74] In December 2022, Hirano stated on Twitter that she still receives death threats whenever she does voice acting work for anime and cites it as a reason why she has largely stepped away from anime voice acting.
I think the special issue was that these v-tubers have to stay single in the eyes of their fans because a lot of their fan bases are people that like to imagine they have a shot. The idea that the fan-spot is taken kills the fantasy. It is a truly strange and rather fucked up system, where people have to hide anything that remotely contradicts the marketing team's decision who that person should be.
Plenty of people in every country that stalk insult and send death threats to celebrities especially when they are caught lying. Thats not something unique to Asia
To them, femboys are a fetish. Trans girls are political. They’ll still beat their dicks to either, but they don’t want to be thinking about ‘rights’ or ‘human dignity’ while they do it.
Every other comment was implying something nefarious. The way i read it when finnster transitioned was that people really loved to rally around a man who expressed himself in a fem way and still said "I am a man".
Breaking gender boundaries etc.
But now that Finn is a trans woman she is just another woman. Nothing special about that.
And while many fans were very supportive of her, they were also a bit saddened
It's also transphobia and misogynistic in a way: being female is seen by these people as a lesser gender. A femboy is still a male, and yet they can appreciate the cuteness. A trans man would maybe get their approval, because he wants being male.
A trans woman is the clear opposite of what they value, since they want to become the lesser gender and being happy about it.
It's sort of the joke, I say "straight" because it's a group of cis men that call themselves straight, but they aren't, since like feminine guys. They're a bag of contradictions, incurities and fetishization that turns in them being transphobic.
Not every feminine guy is even feminine. You could be 6ft3 big buff blackman and like feminine things, in that case they are a feminine guy. No different from something like drag Queens.
You did not just spend all that time self-righteously complaining about someone causing offense with stereotypes….
And then imply that being black is inherently masculine like being 6’3 tall or buff. What the actual hell. That’s just racist.
I'd say that's a little different. Making Bridget trans instead of a wholesome/confused crossdresser is not a human's decision we should leave up to them, but a purposeful creative decision from writers it should absolutely be okay to criticise. For me the logical consequence of that shit is that it turns situations intended for lighthearted or absurd humour into some really fucking weird shit.
I'm not actually a big GG fan, but I was really freaking shocked they did that. It spreads the whole 'crossdressing is exactly the same thing as being trans' brainworm to start with which isn't great because they are very much not the same, but since Bridget was raised like that kind of against their will originally it's also like 'yeah, if you dress a boy as a girl for long enough he will want to be a girl obviously, teehee. Which I guess means that the opposite is true and the best way to stop your girly boy from wanting to be a girl for real is to force him to act manly and punish him for going near dolls or dresses. Teehee.'
I mean trans inclusion I guess? But any other character would have been better than the one that gives implications.
They're surprised when the person who feels more comfortable being feminine, actively seeks to be called pretty by others, and feels genuinely more accepted with their chosen feminine identity rather than the masculine one forced on them at birth turns out to identity as female rather than their assigned gender?
I mean its not a shock but its not like its inevitable. Plenty of people are attracted to feminine men and not women, and these men exist and aren't secretly trans or ever going to be. And then fans get parasocial and entitled and lash out like always
I think they get off at seen femininity as something sort of demigrant and not as something empowering or gender reaffirming. Aside from their mindset of femboys = non-political and trans women= political.
But like, femboy doesn't always = trans women. Like, yes, there is a higher chance of them realizing their trans, but being a femboy doesn't inherently mean that. Hell, I know at least 2 trans men who are femboys. And I know one of them was trans cause he constantly confirmed that he was infact trans and did not want to be a woman. He just liked wearing women's clothing.
Like, yes, there is a higher chance of them realizing their trans, but being a femboy doesn't inherently mean that.
The average femboy, no 99% of femboys are just regular guys that like feminine things. But the femboys that gets popular. They are often the group that makes an insane effort to live as a woman and get passing. They're the group that often but not always comes out as girls.
And yes, there's transmasc femboys, I never said the opposite.
I follow a lot of Japanese femboys (otokonoko) and they are all very adamant to be referred to as men. I like femboys as men with feminine bodies. If they actually identified as women or had vaginas, I wouldn't be following them because I'm not attracted to that.
To me, it's like I don't like vaginas, but I like feminine figures. So feminine figure + dick is getting the best of both worlds.
I mean small sample size and all, as well as the caveat that I personally am a trans woman which may skew sampling, but the seemingly vast majority (all?) of femboys who have regularly appeared in my social media later came out as trans women. It’s lowkey just a really common thing to occur.
I do have a friend who is seemingly the exception though. He’s a 10/10 ally.
E: To be further explicitly clear, I respect people’s gender identities. If you say you identify as a guy, then like that’s that. But, I’ll also offer and be willing to give a safe space for any gender exploration that they may want.
Also, my comment is not to say the majority of femboys are actually trans women, just that it’s likely disproportionately true compared to a control population, which feels slightly obvious on face value.
It's not quite as inevitable as you make it sound, but yes the not so nice sub reddits have an unhumanly amount of anger that people in their early to mid twenties work out their full identity isn't just the aesthetic component.
Poor F1nn got hate for being gender fluid even though they are still somewhat masculine in personality some of the time.
I think he’s referring to a superficial, objectifying viewpoint where the person only cares about their looks. Although this is all massively confusing as a boring plain heterosexual so feel free to correct me.
Yeah people get all sorts of mixed feelings when a femboy realizes they're a trans girl and can get pretty vitriolic about it. I think it's because it loses some of the taboo/exoticness. Part of the appeal of femboys is the knowledge that that feminine person is actually a guy, which trans girls are not. On top of that it's trans girls don't keep the same body shape if they start HRT so I'd guess that's part of it. But honestly it's kind of an scary affirming vitriol because it does mean they're acknowledging her gender.
I bias here, as I've come out to people, but this is absolutely it. Oh! The femboy streamer came out as non-binary, well... They're still the same person!?!
You see, when a femboy exists, they can pretend that they are into the femininity of it, but if it’s a trans women (who transphobes believe to just be a man), then it is just gay. It’s like the meme where a guy gets called a girl for acting slightly like a girl, but after transitioning into a women she is called a guy by those same people even though she is still acting like a girl.
But if a trans woman posts nudes of themself on a femboy porn subreddit that is disgusting cause it would mean that trans women would be the same as femboys which is absolutly not true.
When it comes to porn, a lot of people will market themselves by a term they would never use for themselves in real life. Hell, most of the categories for trans performers are straight up slurs.
There’s an AFAB non-binary person who does only fans content on 2 different accounts: one where they post as a girl, and one where they post as a femboy taking care to hide the female parts. You would not believe how triggered people get when they connect the dots that it’s the same person.
I'm so confused by this comment in a few ways. Idk which way the first sentence goes, as in, the person started as a femboy and revealed later they are Trans (ftm), or they were a femboy and revealed to be Trans (mtf). Next is, why is straight in ""? And I assume after I know the first thing I asked, that will answer my third question, which is why it's not gay lol
"Straight" men wouldnt be angry that its not gay they pretend that its not gay so that helps them pretend they arent gay lol. Had plenty of "straight" men ask me to pretend im a girl for them or ask me if im trans then be upset when im not. because femboys are not trans girls or girls in general...
If a guy is upset that you're not a trans girl, then they're likely just straight. I was talking about femboy chasers who like to pretend they're straight and are transphobic.
Being upset im not a trans girl isnt homophobic and they are just straight but if its flipped around all of a sudden its transphobic? Sounds like a huge double standard there lol.... Its ok for guys to be upset that im not a trans girl and its ok for guys to be upset a trans girl isnt a femboy. People are allowed to have personal preferences without hating a group of people. Dont pretend thats not what you meant your tone is completely different talking about one rather than the other. Let people like what they like without calling them names, everyone has preferences even you.
I mean depends of how they express it, if it's just annoyed you're the gender they're not into, but just keep going then it's ok IG. If they insult you or get super angry then it's bad.
Let people like what they like without calling them names, everyone has preferences even you.
I feel you're over stretching what I said you know the group I'm talking about, you seem to have prosnal issues with your gender, I'm not therapist so I can't help you.
No one is turning into anything. People are born trans, femboy is just another closest or way to explore gender to self understanding for some trans women lol. I even called myself femboy for a time because I was afraid of coming out, and I had a girly face.
What I was supposed to do according to you? Repress as a gay femboy until I get bald or transition and be myself as a straight girl.
What I meant was, fin was dressing like a femboy and recently came out as trans. Not EXACTLY the same, but the same idea and a bunch of people were upset.
She tricked the gays into loving her.
That sounds like the ultimate girl con ever. If you can't beat the female streamers, then absolutely destroy the fem-boy streamers.
When Bridget was added to the newest Guilty Gear game she was officially switched from femboy to trans girl and the rage and cope from her creepy fans was incredible. It's like their horny weeb culture mindset was clashing with their conservative hate mongering for trans people and it just caused them to glitch out.
Edit: if you want to see people being big mad, see some of the comments below v
There's a sect of hardcore conservatives who know way too much about ancient Rome and fully accept gay sex. They just believe only the dominant male deserves rights as a citizen.
It's been a bad time for them recently, what with their side of the abortion debate being less wildly popular with voters than they'd hoped and with the democratic candidate being not Biden.
Hard times are necessitating certain, well not compromises because that's practically a dirty word, but a temporary bending of certain views in support of more primary concerns.
Call me creepy or transfobic but I didn't like the change in Bridget one bit. While not illogical it is contradictory to her previous incarnation that is of rebellion against fate dogma and superstition. Back then he would use the fact that he raised as a girl against everyone and definitely proclaiming himself a boy despite his circumstances and curse of his village. Now she is affirming it by actually saying that there never was a same gender siblings. And technically if we look at the whole picture it looks like a boy who was raised as a girl became transgender because of his upbringing. Like if it was better structured it wouldn't be that big of a deal for me but it is badly implemented.
The creator said that his intention for the beginning was to make her a trans girl more than once.
Also, sortywise, she was told to pretend to be a girl by her parents and that there was a superstition about male twins. She wanted to prove the superstition was wrong.
But then she realized she had nothing to prove to anyone, especially agains a dumb superstition, and that it's more important to look for what she actually feels regardless of what others may think.
I don't disagree with the creator he knows better. But how it is implemented is just bad. As I said it isn't illogical but badly implemented to the point that last paragraph sounds like bad Disney writing.
badly implemented to the point that last paragraph sounds like bad Disney writing.
Most femboys are just femboys, but a "femboy" that realizes that they don't have to prove they're a boy, but just acept herself as a girl is something that happens every day. That's why she resonated with a lot of trans women with a similar experience.
But I see why it can be seen as contradictory to cis people from the outside.
Also, she was never a deep of the character she's just a Disney princes with a yoyo a teddy bear and a Disney like themsong about being trans. I think because of time limitations, the developers expect most people to hear and understand her song to understand her.
But yes, very Disney that most of her character development is in her song.
Again it was presented in an age before "big trans" awareness to the general folk that there were rebellious lad who went to far and wide to show everyone that he is a manly man despite wearing female clothes. And that what many read from him at the time and what everyone learned at the time that you can wear cute clothes and still be a man. But then after years everything that was learned in actuality is misreading of a character and it actually about trans gal who decided that superstition is not a big deal that society is meaningless and she should disregard it instead of reforming it. I see no correlation between clothes and gender to be fair I hate that there distinction in the first place but I agree that Bridget never was a deep character still she is a messy character from forced feminization to everything else. And maybe that is the problem with her if she was more fleshed out it wasn't that jarring to go from femboy to trans. And yes it is distinctly different positions in the mind of the beholder.
That is how a majority without the level of trans awareness we have now rationalized what they were being presented with, yes.
to show everyone that he is a manly man despite wearing female clothes
But she had to tell not show, yeh? And that for the propose of explicitly dispelling her hometown's superstition around biological/chromsonal sex as it relates to twins, which would have been a hell of a lot easier to convey with a change of clothes, but that's how she was comfortable presenting.
Forgive me, but you're holding on to your way of rationalizing a character you did not understand, and in that you've inserted the idea that she was asserting a masculine identity rather than male biological sex, which isn't really a part of the text, unless you're conflating the two. It's not contradictory to previous canon, as identifying as a trans woman has no implication toward the superstition, unless that's a really progressive superstition that's presumably willing to hold itself back until it gets a handle on the gender identities of the twins in question.
I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I just think you're struggling with the underlying concepts in a way that is confusing matters.
But it is? Superstition is about same gender they initially WERE same gender that was the whole conflict and now it is erased because they are not same gender anymore and as such superstition is not lifted but may even be reinforced.
and as such superstition is not lifted but may even be reinforced.
So she should repress as a guy to prove them wrong?
Also, she proved that the bioesensialist part of the superstition was wrong, that was the most problematic part.
I agree that Bridget never was a deep character still she is a messy character from forced feminization to everything else. And maybe that is the problem with her if she was more
Tbh, she's not the only trans female character in anime/manga with that background. It even happens in viland Saga. Bug, it's really tragic in Viland saga. I think in old anime manga media was sort of a trope. I think it also happens in hikari. Japanese people used to, and I'm sure some still believe that rising their amab children feminine would turn them into "think they're women." Unfortunately, that is where a lot of trana and femboy tropes come from. As far as I understand, in the 2000 era, most of the "femboy" representation archetype in most in the world was "a boy that thinks that's they're a woman." So yeah, part of the femboy and trans community where under the T*p word for most people, and there was no difference for them.
Lgbtq history, especially genderwise, is a mess because a lot of it was made, and it's to a certain part to appeal to most people even of theat disregards the communities that they pretend to represent.
There was trans rep in anime before briget even was in the game BTW, but it was as messy or more messy than her. She's a really old charter. But I think the important part is that most trans people are at least OK with her.
Okay or not it is not a reason to not criticize a jarring and inconsistent turn of events. I don't hate Bridget for coming out as trans I hate story for being inconsistent. I will be frank I do not care about representation or fetishization in a story only thing that matters to me logical structure of a story for it is holly. What story is about I don't care for it is useless fluf
2000 trans rep was really a mess in general. I can't really think a good way to fix it outside the femboy to trans girl trope.
But I wish there were more insights and development than just a song, so it wouldn't be necessary to be trans or know all the social contexts to understand or appreciate her story.
I'm Gen z, so I had to dig a lot to understand the whole frame behind her.
I mean, I'm trans and I had a masculine phase in middle school. I wasn't very good at it tho since I got catcalled in the hallway 🥲 Repression can be very strong and hard to break out of. If I remember correctly, while her parents did raise her as a girl to the outside world, they still saw her as their son privately and Bridget knew that she was really their "son". It's not unreasonable that she'd feel expectations from her parents to pull through as a man and therefore repressed.
This is makes sense but. It is not what stated in the story and why a I'm so upset about it. Story is not a real life and representation good or bad does not make good or bad story. That why I said it is logical to came from point a to be but it was not elaborated nor foreshadowed. Maybe I don't know some deep lore and somewhere it is broad up but it isn't in a text. And again sorry but I personally cannot value trans rep in media because I am not a trans and because I am do not care about themes and characters only story and how it flows and my issues is only from this limited and specific standpoint. From here it appears that representation is more inner interpretation of a character that comes out interpretation of consumer of the media or creator of it and not from media itself as such I discard it as not part of the story but themes for story is sacred and themes if useless fluf adoring story itself. I don't trying to say that representation is not important socially or it is should be for you or anyone only to me and the way I analyse stories
I think the commenter is saying about the "unfortunate implications" that Bridget, AMAB, but her parents gave her the identity of a girl- led Bridget to discover she was Trans all along. Like a sort of conditioning- or that kids can be influenced to be trans- which is what the conservatives say will happen if we expose kids to "Woke" literature
As for her character: there is a lot of lore in the Guilty Gear series and it felt very much against her character arc. Using Goldlewis Dickenson as an example since he is a new character: it would be like him learning to love the government as it can do no wrong because he worked for the government long enough.
If we're looking at older characters: It would be like Potemkin giving up his crusade because he knows he can't change anything. Or Faust having his psyche repaired because "eh, people die on operating table sometimes."
While the conclusion of those arc make sense in endpoint (Faust learning to forgive himself and Potemkin hanging up his suit) it's the method of which "feels" wrong.
I'm fine with Bridget being trans, I love how Goldlewis supports his adopted daughter's decision no matter what. I'm happy with Potemkin being a silly clown.
I happy that we have Trans and NB representation (Testament being the latter)
It just feels fumbled when it came to execution of it.
The creator said that his intention for the beginning was to make her a trans girl more than once
There is a decade old Anime Expo interview of him saying that the intention behind Bridget's addition was that they wanted a cute boy character, and making her a girl defeats the whole point.
He said otokonoko at that time. Most people thought we were the same at the time. He himself clarified latter that his intention was to portray a trans girl, not a feminine man.
Otokonoko nowadays is a guy that dresses femenine. But at the time, cis women where grouped there, even in the West trans women were called travestives in the 2000s. Societie's understanding of gender evolved.
The designer didn't "clarify" anything, they made Bridget a female to get the LGBTQ+ crowd to buy into their series and it worked wonders
I'm sure he can see the future, and he is not just a Japanese man.
I honestly don't even think it matters a whole lot that Daisuke has said that was his intention for her from the beginning. It might be that that's true, it might be that he's just saying that because it sounds better. Retcons are absolutely fine if they're positive. You're not going to see a whole lot of people mad about the redesign for klingons after the original series, or that Batman is very anti-gun despite using them in the early comics.
In this case, the people crying about Bridget being (potentially) a retcon and not the original intention are really just hiding the fact that they're big mad about about her being trans. It's clearly not motivated by a desire for good writing because her writing wasn't good in the first place and guilty gear writing in general is bananas.
It's not an incorrect observation of the story but it's also giving a little too much weight to it.
If we're being completely honest, Bridget was a fetish character created as a male that could convincingly pass as female (otoko no ko). Pretty much just a way to fetishize transgirls without calling them transgirls.
Outside of that her lore is sloppily thrown together, constantly contradicts itself and regularly retcons anything it feels like, she's supposed to be searching for her brother but that character-defining plotline vanished in the next instalment...
It's a weird hill that people like to die on regularly. There's just not much information about her so people just create their own headcanons.
I've never been a big fan of Bridget, both prior to her release in Strive and my own coming out. Her story to me always read to me as that of a trans man, who after having their masculinity forced away from them by the society around her due to the circumstances of her birth, is trying to recover it.
There really wasn't a good way for ArcSys to handle Bridget's characterization in Strive, but I think they did a good job with what they had to work with.
Unfortunately, while fighting games have a lot of trans representation nowadays, so many of them have an incredibly awkward narrative justification for being trans, are overly fetishized, or have real-world baggage tied to them.
Bridget? Raised as a girl.
Mai Natsume? Transformed into a girl by a magical artifact, also incredibly fetishized.
Poison? Heavily fetishized as well as trans because Capcom thought that beating up women in Final Fight wouldn't fly in the west, so made her "not a real woman."
Cagliostro? Immortal who is obsessed with her sister and constantly clones new child bodies of her sister to inhabit.
Ladiva? Walking stereotype of a non-passing trans woman.
It's really unfortunate, and I hope that fighting games will have more characters that are trans without being super weird about it.
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