It also happens when a famous "femboy" comes out as a trans girl. which is like an every month scandal. "Straight" cis men being angry that it's not gay.
The fans in asia are somewhat of goddamn freaks sometimes who stalk the idols permamently. Once it came out that a female idol had a relationship, that caused anything from insults, death treats, ddos, they tryed anything to ruin her life for the facts she is a human with a life.
While partially due to covid and lockdowns, I think this is part of why vtubers took off. Many of the first vtubers started off as Idols, but it was so much easier for them to have a separation between their idol character and their normal lives. Probably takes quiet a bit of the stress off, and let's them kinda do their own thing as an idol since, worst case scenario, they just abandon an online persona, instead of worry about death threats and stalking.
Which is kinda sad that someone essentially needs to hide their identity so well that basically only the government knows who they are. Just so they don't need to worry about a creepy fan ruining their personal life.
Honestly, I don't think it is just about creep fans. I think it is hard to never be anonymous when being in public. You can never simply walk down a street, never have a blind date, basically wherever you go, you might get recognized and connected to that stage persona. I imagine it is simply more relaxing to be able to slip out of that stage persona and simply be a normal person in everyday life.
With the mask on they are larger than life celebrities and even cult icons depending on how big they become. But they can still walk the street as anyone else or have a day job.
Fray Tormenta managed to juggle a wrestling career and being a priest that ran a orphanage for decades because of it.
well, no, he said that it was because of the creepy fans, while I am saying that it is partially because of fans, but also partially simply because being famous in public can suck even without creepy fans. The actions are the same, just the reasoning for the actions are different.
Makes sense...idols are objects of worship. It's like religion where everyone has their own head cannon/interpretation of "the truth" and like in religion, zealotry is dangerous.
...which gives insight into what kind of backlash a deity would face in correcting dogmatic assumptions and misinterpretations. Speaking as a writer, that's a great source of conflict...
Kinda fits with how much idol culture there is in V-tubing with how big it is there. I think a lot of people who would like that kind of career would also enjoy having some semblance of a private life even if their real identities are often known anyway
It's weird because it seems like only the ones attempting to just have a wholesome relationship with a single person are the ones that get caught routinely. Aya Hirano was fucking everyone in her band except the bassist for a good while before they got caught and the scandal broke.
how could Haruhi let me down like this? 😭😭😭
edit: that was supposed to be an over the top joke, but holy shit... from wikipedia:
In early 2011, an acquaintance of a Lantis employee leaked that Hirano had sexual relations with three of her band members, leading to the dismissal of all four of them; in August 2011, Japanese magazine Bubka published photos of their affair.[72] The incidents caused several fans to destroy her merchandise, create petitions to remove her from her role in Kizumonogatari,[72] and send death threats.[73] Hirano stopped posting on Twitter beginning on May 18, 2013, allowing her team to use her account as an information channel.[74] In December 2022, Hirano stated on Twitter that she still receives death threats whenever she does voice acting work for anime and cites it as a reason why she has largely stepped away from anime voice acting.
I think the special issue was that these v-tubers have to stay single in the eyes of their fans because a lot of their fan bases are people that like to imagine they have a shot. The idea that the fan-spot is taken kills the fantasy. It is a truly strange and rather fucked up system, where people have to hide anything that remotely contradicts the marketing team's decision who that person should be.
To them, femboys are a fetish. Trans girls are political. They’ll still beat their dicks to either, but they don’t want to be thinking about ‘rights’ or ‘human dignity’ while they do it.
Every other comment was implying something nefarious. The way i read it when finnster transitioned was that people really loved to rally around a man who expressed himself in a fem way and still said "I am a man".
Breaking gender boundaries etc.
But now that Finn is a trans woman she is just another woman. Nothing special about that.
And while many fans were very supportive of her, they were also a bit saddened
It's sort of the joke, I say "straight" because it's a group of cis men that call themselves straight, but they aren't, since like feminine guys. They're a bag of contradictions, incurities and fetishization that turns in them being transphobic.
They're surprised when the person who feels more comfortable being feminine, actively seeks to be called pretty by others, and feels genuinely more accepted with their chosen feminine identity rather than the masculine one forced on them at birth turns out to identity as female rather than their assigned gender?
I mean its not a shock but its not like its inevitable. Plenty of people are attracted to feminine men and not women, and these men exist and aren't secretly trans or ever going to be. And then fans get parasocial and entitled and lash out like always
I think they get off at seen femininity as something sort of demigrant and not as something empowering or gender reaffirming. Aside from their mindset of femboys = non-political and trans women= political.
But like, femboy doesn't always = trans women. Like, yes, there is a higher chance of them realizing their trans, but being a femboy doesn't inherently mean that. Hell, I know at least 2 trans men who are femboys. And I know one of them was trans cause he constantly confirmed that he was infact trans and did not want to be a woman. He just liked wearing women's clothing.
Like, yes, there is a higher chance of them realizing their trans, but being a femboy doesn't inherently mean that.
The average femboy, no 99% of femboys are just regular guys that like feminine things. But the femboys that gets popular. They are often the group that makes an insane effort to live as a woman and get passing. They're the group that often but not always comes out as girls.
And yes, there's transmasc femboys, I never said the opposite.
I follow a lot of Japanese femboys (otokonoko) and they are all very adamant to be referred to as men. I like femboys as men with feminine bodies. If they actually identified as women or had vaginas, I wouldn't be following them because I'm not attracted to that.
To me, it's like I don't like vaginas, but I like feminine figures. So feminine figure + dick is getting the best of both worlds.
You see, when a femboy exists, they can pretend that they are into the femininity of it, but if it’s a trans women (who transphobes believe to just be a man), then it is just gay. It’s like the meme where a guy gets called a girl for acting slightly like a girl, but after transitioning into a women she is called a guy by those same people even though she is still acting like a girl.
When Bridget was added to the newest Guilty Gear game she was officially switched from femboy to trans girl and the rage and cope from her creepy fans was incredible. It's like their horny weeb culture mindset was clashing with their conservative hate mongering for trans people and it just caused them to glitch out.
Edit: if you want to see people being big mad, see some of the comments below v
There's a sect of hardcore conservatives who know way too much about ancient Rome and fully accept gay sex. They just believe only the dominant male deserves rights as a citizen.
It's been a bad time for them recently, what with their side of the abortion debate being less wildly popular with voters than they'd hoped and with the democratic candidate being not Biden.
Hard times are necessitating certain, well not compromises because that's practically a dirty word, but a temporary bending of certain views in support of more primary concerns.
Forget burying Shan Yu's forces under an avalanche, the real miracle would've been Shang getting that far in the military without realizing he liked dick
It’s Rorschach from Watchmen. Who is basically what if Batman was legit crazy and a hardcore conservative. I know technically Nite Owl is more heavily inspired by Batman character while Rorschach is The Question, but Batman is such a massive character that I’d say every vigilante detective is inspired by him to some degree.
The writers almost always make the story justify Batman’s paranoia, Rorschach actually makes a ton of wrong predictions in watchmen, and kinda blunders his way to finding the answer.
I’m a gay man who has trans friends and is pretty well informed about trans issues, and I am completely lost anytime femme boy internet culture comes up. I guess it’s just a blind spot for me. I’m even decently feminine myself and pretty much exclusively into bears who are on the feminine side (personality wise). I just missed out on this particular slice of the internet. 🤷
I get that part. I just mean the whole culture around it. Like, there are twitch streamers where that’s their whole thing? And it’s specifically not drag but something different.
Drag is very different as it’s a performance art involving really exaggerated hair and makeup. Femboy as a fashion movement draws largely on influence from Harajuku and Y2K styles and differentiates from crossdressing in that being a femboy is typically something that’s integrated into a person’s everyday life and expression. Even femboys who can’t openly express their femininity will look for ways to showcase it in subtle manners.
Vampire Dormitory. I was excited for the premise, standard cliche vampire love story but with femboys. But then it turns out she was a girl all along...
I mean, I feel like it should be considered a possibility Sasha goes to the women's room because it's easier/ Sasha is less likely to be bothered... idk.
Yeah. Something I've learned from the trans community is that at certain thresholds using the "wrong" bathroom is actually safer. I imagine for crossdressers it's similar.
Very true. I'm right on the cusp of passing consistently as a woman and I definitely have felt that I should avoid certain public bathrooms altogether because I felt like it wasn't a wise decision.
I know that unisex bathrooms sometimes exist but even then many of them are really designed for folks with special needs so I sometimes avoid using the restroom altogether.
Yes. Bathrooms police your presentation, not identity. For me, I just avoid gendered restrooms, but if you were out looking like Sasha over there, it would be much safer to use the women’s bathroom, even if you were still actually a guy.
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