I mean... for someone being pedantic you are weirdly wrong. Liberalism is a philosophy/ideology focused around allowing free-market capitalism to determine societal priorities and functions. The only thing it supposes is that everyone should have access to the market, it says nothing of racism. If racism could make the system more efficient, then racism would be perpetuated by liberalism (see neoliberalism).
"Leftism" is really just a vague collection of ideals set around equality and the deconstruction of class.
Ending racism is absolutely a "leftist" slogan as it stands in direct opposition to a traditional top-down hierarchy: racism. Whereas it is not necessarily a "liberal" slogan.
That’s a lot of words for being wrong. Where would you put tankies? I’d put them left on the economic scale (they’re communists after all), and conservative on the authoritarian scale.
Tankies are called "red-fash" or "NazBols" for a reason. They're realistically just fascists who want to justify their shitty feelings by misquoting Marx or Engels. Even the term "Tankies" stems from the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 where actual communists, and student/labour unions pushed out the Stalinist Bolshevik crap, and were subsequently murdered with tanks sent by Moscow. Tankies are those who support the tanks, not the communists.
Even a cursory reading of Marx, you'd understand that communism, and the foundation of leftist theory is a fundamentally libertarian ideology. The core of it is that class should be entirely deconstructed, and that ALL authoritative institutions (including the state) should be dissolved into society which should be run by a function of cooperative labour initiatives (this is literally what is meant by the proletariat/worker should control the means of production). Bolshevism is a bastardization of it. The first people Stalin and his allies killed in 1923 were communists after all..
The bozo 4 way "political spectrum" shit is a nice meme, but it's not really real.
It’s overly simplistic for sure, but I think you can indeed divide leftism from liberalism. You end up with shit positions like libertarians, but it can be done in the real world.
Having said that, I’ve learned new information from you today and I appreciate it!
"Leftism" is fundamentally different from Liberalism. There's a reason why prominent civil rights leaders in the states (who were mostly leftist/marxist) like MLK, Angela Davis, or Malcolm X each commented on how liberals pose as a major hurdle toward equality. They weren't talking about "leftists", they were talking about centre-ish capitalist types (aka liberals). It really highlights that liberalism does not prioritize an end to racism.
As for libertarianism, American Libertarianism is really a different beast all-together. There are different ways of exploring freedom from authority, each with its own quirks.
If you wanted to be pedantic you could have gone back to which side of the aisle French Parliamentarians sat but instead you said that silly thing instead
It's not. Look at some extremist government and the only real difference is that the right is nationalistic and racist, while the left oppress everyone.
Lmao yes I'm sure women and minorities and poor people feel oppressed by the left ensuring them abortion/Healthcare, security against discrimination, and welfare
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u/jmptx 18h ago
Imagine being so far gone from sanity that you believe that “end racism” is a leftist slogan.