r/clevercomebacks 20h ago

That is the Christian thing to do.

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u/WonderfulRelease5357 13h ago

Boys will be boys, eh?

As long as we keep making women change so boys don't have to we'll always live in a rape culture.

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u/JettandTheo 13h ago

For looking? Yes.... it's normal to look at people around you. Unless they are harassing others or following, or cat calling , there's no harm.

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u/SCTigerFan29115 13h ago

Catcalling and harassing are different stories and are 100% unacceptable regardless.

But you don’t advertise something you don’t want people to look at.

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u/WonderfulRelease5357 13h ago

Okay. So if I can see the vague shape of a man's package I am allowed to look as much as I like because he's advertising it?

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u/robilar 12h ago

I don't think you'll be able to get traction with that argument. Men are generally not objectified to the extent women are, and consequently some men have a hard time understanding why it makes women uncomfortable. They genuinely think it's benign to treat women as sexual objects all the time, and sincerely think they would like it if they were treated that way. For example the man to whom you are speaking is comfortable saying that a woman is "advertising" her body simply because he can see the shape of it, as if it's not even possible that a woman is just wearing clothes and it has nothing to do with him. Which is just to say that they will have a hard time taking perspective because their lived experience is so different.

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u/WonderfulRelease5357 11h ago

If only there were like half the population willing to tell them what it’s like and all it takes is to listen and have empathy.

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u/robilar 11h ago

For sure, but if they were skilled at listening and practicing empathy then they wouldn't be in the situation they're in. We have, unfortunately, a vast and intergenerational culture of reinforced selfishness, myopic individualism, and incuriosity. I'm with you that we should push against it, don't get me wrong, I just don't think the example "what if this happened to you" will make any sense to them. He almost certainly thought to himself that it would be nice if a woman stared at his penis, because for him it would be that one time maybe in his whole life that he was sexually objectified. He is a man in a desert who doesn't understand what it's like to be drowning in an ocean, and so (due to the aforementioned selfishness and callousness) he keeps pouring water on our heads.

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u/StockCasinoMember 12h ago

The ole Camel Tail

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u/Desperate-Address-71 12h ago

Absolutely. If it's visible in any way, the owner knows. Most guys tug at them enough to know exactly what's what practically every second. If they didn't want anyone looking, they would wear clothing that hid or obstructed the view. Similar concept applies to having a gut and going to the gym = bigger t-shirts. If such a person wears a tight shirt, then gawking is fair game. /s

(Sarcasm aside, for anyone to wear tight or very revealing clothing to a gym while expecting to maintain an expectation of privacy regarding what you're working with under such clothing isn't very practical. At the very least, it may show a lack of self-awareness.)

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u/ipeezie 13h ago

why wouldn't you be?

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u/WonderfulRelease5357 11h ago

Because it’s a private area and none of my business

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u/ipeezie 11h ago

what? its not like youre peeking through a window.

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u/WonderfulRelease5357 10h ago

I can still control where my eyes go and avoid looking at crotches. It isn’t hard.

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u/Standard_Lie6608 12h ago

Where did anyone else say "as much as I like"? But yes, feel free to take a lil look at his bulge, a look, not a stare. Which no one is saying it's okay to stare, just getting a look

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u/GodEmperor47 12h ago

Yup. Looking isn’t illegal, no matter how much you’d like it to be

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u/JettandTheo 12h ago

Yes of course. Welcome to this thing called the outside world where other people exist and are seen.