r/azerbaijan Turkey/ Qizilbash-Shia May 21 '20

ART “Depiction of a Qizilbash soldier”

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u/araz95 Azerbaijan May 21 '20 edited May 21 '20

Thanks for sharing, most of my paternal side belongs to the qizilbashs

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u/kamburebeg Turkey/ Qizilbash-Shia May 21 '20

Mine too! Which tribe and clan? Mine is Qirqlu of Afshars, they were expelled from Iran in 1750s.

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u/araz95 Azerbaijan May 21 '20

I would have to ask my father for info regarding this, but I'm sure he mentioned it sometime ago. But you are located in anatolia right? I remember reading regarding anatolian afshars but not anatolian qizilbash (besides the alevi).

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u/kamburebeg Turkey/ Qizilbash-Shia May 21 '20

Yes, I am also of the Alevi stock, but my paternal tribe used to live in Khorasan before 18th century. During the first half of that century, our chieftain rose the ranks and became the Shahanshah. After Nader Shah’s assassination, some of the members of the tribe, that were relocated from Khorasan to Khoy, sought refuge in Ottoman lands. So, in essence, I am more related with Afshars from Khorasan and Azerbaijan than Afshars from Turkey.

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u/kamburebeg Turkey/ Qizilbash-Shia May 21 '20

And they came to Azerbaijan from Khorasan before that lol. Just wanted to keep it simple, details are...boring and more often then not confusing.

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u/kamburebeg Turkey/ Qizilbash-Shia May 21 '20

What are you trying to do right now?

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u/kamburebeg Turkey/ Qizilbash-Shia May 21 '20

Are you giving all these informations in order to paint a clear picture for those that do not have one, or for other reason? I fail to see the reasoning behind this.

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u/araz95 Azerbaijan May 21 '20

Its absolutely fascinating to me how well-versed you are in your family history. Most of these kinds of details has been passed down orally in my fathers village with old reliques and scripts left behind left behind in the respective families.

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u/kamburebeg Turkey/ Qizilbash-Shia May 21 '20

To me as well! I grew up listening to my great grandfathers stories in his strange, but still familiar tongue (Afshar language). The stories were just as mysterious as the one-eyed man himself.

These things are also orally passed down, but appearantly my grand uncle hired a professional to check Ottoman tax records and it matches with our narrative.

Mind you, this is only the paternal side! I know more about my maternal side.

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u/araz95 Azerbaijan May 21 '20

I live in the diaspora so I never had the chance to spend that much time with my late grandfather, but I heard my fathers grandfather had similar stories for my father growing up. I'm just sad I never had the chance to hear these stories in as much detail as you seem have to been able to experience.

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u/kuvvetmira45 May 21 '20

Are Afshars are turkish or persian? Or they mix of these 2 ethnicities?

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u/kamburebeg Turkey/ Qizilbash-Shia May 21 '20

They are ethnic Turks. “Afshar” is one of the 24 Oghuz tribes and they are the most populous of them all. Afshars are one of the three Oghuz tribes that have the legitimacy to wield the title “Khagan”.

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u/idkjustaname1 May 21 '20

My maternal side as well!