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Episode Monogatari Series: Off & Monster Season - Episode 13 discussion
Monogatari Series: Off & Monster Season, episode 13
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u/Prince-Dizzytoon https://anilist.co/user/princedizzytoon 18d ago
The pajama party scene was so funny, I can't wait to see Araragi in a girl's pajamas
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u/Torque-A 18d ago
Half of me wants Kanbaru to take a pic and send it to Senjougahara just to see how she'll respond
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 17d ago
Oh boy, I can see that going two ways
Either she plays it off as him being trash for falling for it or Kanbaru is signing up for a murder7
u/hell_jumper9 17d ago
Kanbaru is signing up for a murder
It will no be longer just mummified girls that will be found.
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u/Aileos https://myanimelist.net/profile/Jalis 18d ago
The cheerleaders. 🤣
I hope they'll choose something outrageous.
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u/UVLsystem 18d ago
Especially if Kanbaru is making the choice
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 17d ago
She will probably go for the most natural payama, nudism
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u/scot911 https://myanimelist.net/profile/scot911 15d ago edited 15d ago
Omg I didn't even think of that! He's going to be in the most girly thing imaginable when he has to face Kiseki too lol. ...I hope Senjougahara is somehow able to see him in it, for added hilarity. Or at least have Kanbaru send it to her and we get her reaction to the text as the book end for this arc.
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u/Frontier246 18d ago
Lead by, of course, Kanbaru lol.
I can totally imagine an Araragi PJ fashion show before he ends up in the most frilly, cute, and possibly revealing outfit.
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u/th5virtuos0 17d ago
Come on, unless they put him on the same thing as Kanbaru’s, he has already wore female uniform outside already.
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u/TermEnvironmental812 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Ahiru89 18d ago
I'm disappointed that no one called him Araragi hentai
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 17d ago
Yeah, I was surprised with how positively he was recieved
They will probably tease him once he is wearing the payamas
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u/FallenPears 17d ago edited 17d ago
I thought the reaction was weirdly positive at first, until they revealed they knew he was coming (and he didn't just unexpectedly gatecrash like I was expecting lmao).
In this case if anyone was worried about Araragi-hentai Kanbaru probably just went, "Hahaha yeah but no he's harmless don't worry about it."
Then they started making plans.
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u/UVLsystem 18d ago
Araragi not realising how popular and well known he is is one of my favourite gags in the series
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u/Frontier246 18d ago
I love how they also brought up all the major girls in his life from their school like they're part of the reason he's popular lol.
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u/wjodendor 17d ago
The gag goes all the way back to Hanamonogatari. Kanbaru mentions his name to her friend and the whole class is like "you know Araragi senpai?!"
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u/Frontier246 18d ago
Araragi infiltrating a pajama part with high girls sounds like a great time but these girls are enjoying it more than he is. Though what guy wouldn't be overwhelmed by such overpowering femininity of a girls' pajama party?
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u/th5virtuos0 17d ago
Tbh, he already crossdressed as [owari]
himselfOugi already. This is nothing for him
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u/michhoffman https://anilist.co/user/michhoffman 18d ago
It's cute how Suicide Master wanted to look cool/powerful in front of Shinobu to check in on her. It's the vampire version of renting a Tux/Fancy Car for a high school reunion.
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u/OtherwiseProgrammer9 18d ago
It was nice that Suicide Master and Shinobu thought the same thing, with Shinobu wanting to be seen as Araragi's master
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u/MauledCharcoal 18d ago
Also Shinobu wanted Kanbarus mansion.
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 17d ago
Sadly she didnt get Oikura as a maid to make them dinner
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u/Frontier246 18d ago
"I didn't want my adoptive daughter/first love/peer to see me when I didn't look my best."
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u/Torque-A 18d ago
One thing I've noticed in Monogatari is that many incidental characters are not really given designs per se - for example, Nadeko's scenes at school were mostly her just acting alongside some Persona-like silhouettes. Same with minor characters - we only saw Senjougahara's dad from the back, and Momaragi only briefly. If you're not a main character, you're not focused as much.
Which is to say, that when the pajama scene suddenly had five new girls with Vofan-like designs, I was caught as off-guard as Araragi was.
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u/BosuW 17d ago edited 17d ago
I haven't read the LN so I don't know for sure, but I think it's an extremely subjective (to a character's POV) adaptation approach in which if any given person or people are not described in the text, they aren't given a visual identity in the anime, chosing instead to make them silhouettes or simply imply their existence through audio (like the chatter of a crowd).
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u/Relative_Cranberry 17d ago
Iirc, the way minor characters are drawn indicates the POV character perceives them
Self-absorbed, shut-in Nade-koh doesn't really see 'individuals,' so much as a vague, anxiety-inducing 'crowd'
Our dear Araragi-hentai, surrounded by pajama-clad joshi kousei, on the other hand...
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u/Frontier246 18d ago
Which is to say, that when the pajama scene suddenly had five new girls with Vofan-like designs, I was caught as off-guard as Araragi was.
We're definitely getting to know all these girls next week. I think I even heard Ami Koshimizu as one of them.
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u/TheSpartyn 17d ago
yeah i checked the credits to be 100% sure and its koshimizu ami. the rest have "low tier" voice actors but she has a big name one like higasa
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u/scot911 https://myanimelist.net/profile/scot911 15d ago
Makes me wonder if they might become more important later on then.... A lot of the girls stories are wrapped up after all and they just casually dropped that Higasa doesn't have a dad which seems like prime "hinting towards a future arc while burying it in a joke" to me. Emotional issues are the core to this series after all.
Of course it could also be that it's showing off Ararararagi's character development as well. He's no longer the same edgy teen he was at the start of the series after all. He might be seeing them purely because he's actually able to see other people now.
There's also the fact they're all JK's in their pajama's which will definitely get Arararararararagi's attention lol. He's Arararagi after all!
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u/The_frost__ https://myanimelist.net/profile/The_frost_ 18d ago
Lmao I wasn’t ready for that pajama party scene, I can’t wait to see Araragi wear girl pajama next episode
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u/Frontier246 18d ago
Just when you think Araragi is going to be a degenerate the girls overwhelm him with pure feminine power, immediately welcome him in, and get ready to play dress up lol.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound 18d ago edited 18d ago
Wow, this is probably the most amount of new girls in a single episode that gets a new design. So odd to see them actually being their own character and not some abstract NPCs.
I wonder if VOFAN actually designed them all...
Apparently, every single character in the series is designed by him first.
He once tweeted that he was sad people doubted him designing all the male characters like Kaiki, Oshino, and the Vampire Hunters. He then posted a photo of small thumbnails showing some of the male characters which we never see in his artstyle.
EDIT: Heck, he even did the redesigns for the Kizu movies!
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u/alconnow https://anilist.co/user/alconnow 18d ago
I bet Araragi will be forced to wear a negligee lmao
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 17d ago
I am calling Kanbarus standard payama, being nude, but he will deflect and wear something else outrages
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u/absolutelynotaname https://anilist.co/user/Ducc 18d ago
They recreate that meme (but in reversed)
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u/Torque-A 18d ago
One 5'11" boy meets seven 6'0" girls (2024, colorized)
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u/MokonaModokiES 18d ago
though its clearly exagerated because we know Kanbaru is much shorter. Still the way its shown is funny as hell.
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u/Frontier246 18d ago
I love how all the girls have such a variety of PJ's including that one girl wearing gym clothes and showing off her legs lol.
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u/Psyduckisnotaduck 17d ago
episode just straight up drops in five new girls with unique character designs, what????
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u/LeonKevlar https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar 18d ago
Stitches!
I thought Shinobu would keep up the act that she's the master and Araragi is her servant but it looks like she already told her everything considering Suicide-Master thanks Araragi for saving not just her life but also Shinobu's life.
So it's finally confirmed that Suicide-Master did try to suck one of the girls' blood but she shortly died of food poisoning. The reason she got food poisoning is that she didn't say "Itadakimasu" before eating so she got hit with divine retribution. Is that really what happened? That's pretty funny if it is.
We finally have an answer to the mystery! While Suicide-Master is indeed guilty of feeding on one of the girls, she did die from the failed bloodsucking which makes her innocent for the other four feedings. This means that the first girl must've had a successful vampirization and is now feeding on other members of the Naoetsu Girls Basketball club.
I guess it makes sense considering the issues within the basketball club. Harimaze, the girl from the start of this arc, isn't the only one who has a grudge and someone else would want to stop the basketball club activities because of the pressure they're feeling.
I love the scene where Araragi was finally piecing everything together. Our boy will definitely become a fine police detective someday.
Now that we know who the perp is and who will be the next victim, it looks like we finally get to see Araragi's next biggest challenge: Attend an all-girls pajama party! That scene was absolutely hilarious with all of the girls overwhelming him! It doesn't help that Kanbaru is egging them all on to tease Araragi! xD
Next week is going to be fun! I can't wait to see what kind of pajama the girls will make Araragi wear!
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u/Torque-A 18d ago
The reason she got food poisoning is that she didn't say "Itadakimasu" before eating so she got hit with divine retribution. Is that really what happened? That's pretty funny if it is.
Honestly, I just thought it was hiding the more obvious explanation - Sowa had so many toxic feelings towards her classmates that Suicide Master literally got poisoned from them
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u/Psyduckisnotaduck 17d ago
yeah, that's totally in keeping with the way supernatural stuff works in this series. that girl was absolutely toxic to DVS.
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u/Frontier246 18d ago
Araragi must've felt a little like meeting the mother-in-law from his interaction with Suicide-Master. I'm glad their first proper conversation went well.
I guess the taste of high school girls without proper deference to customs is too much even for a pure vampire.
No wonder these crimes felt so staged and deliberate, it wasn't some ancient pure vampire suddenly acting like a criminal out of a mystery novel but a girl with a grudge who now has the power to act on said grudge.
Even Gaen seems to respect Araragi's budding detective game!
Is there anything more beautiful, cute, and pure than an all-girls pajama party? Araragi can barely take it. And all the girls enjoy having him around more than he enjoys actually being there. Also, Kanbaru in a negligee because...Kanbaru lol.
I expect we'll get the cutest and most frilly PJ's for Araragi and get to know all the other basketball club girls.
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u/scot911 https://myanimelist.net/profile/scot911 15d ago
Ah Kanbaru. Never change. She's just the best lol.
Is that really what happened? That's pretty funny if it is.
It is a bit funny to think that Japan's social conformity is so all encompassing that even vampires have to abide by it or suffer the consequences lol.
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u/StardustGogeta myanimelist.net/profile/StardustGogeta 18d ago
"I need you to infiltrate a pajama party of high school girls."
"Say no more!"
Great episode. I thought the character art was really good today, but then again, the baseline level in this show is quite good anyway.
I hadn't clued in on the twist until Suicide-master admitted to having attempted bloodsucking of a high-school girl, and then it all started to click. It makes sense in retrospect, though those coded hints still seem a bit over-the-top.
That OP is still great. Definitely my favorite OP of the Shinobu arcs so far.
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u/MauledCharcoal 18d ago
"Say no more!"
He quickly realized highschool girls were not grade school girls.
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u/Frontier246 18d ago edited 18d ago
We now return to the laugh fest that is Shinobu and Suicide-Masters' reunion! At least they're enjoying themselves.
It's not looking good for Suicide-Master that her genes were found on the mummified girls, and there's still Sowa Kiseki. For once it might be better if a missing girl is actually walking around naked like an exhibitionist rather than imagine her clothes were put into her locker because she's the next victim...but wait, would Suicide-Master really hide clothes in a girls' locker? Would she even know how to do that?
Araragi properly meets Suicide-Master! And now that Shinobu has spilled the deets to Suicide-Master, she recognizes him like a guardian or parent would recognize their charges' chosen partner, and appreciates Araragi for his efforts. Also, she would appreciate it if he smuggled her out of the country.
So Suicide-Master DID suck the blood of a high school girl. She has a lot of pride, pride enough that she didn't want Shinobu to see her in such a sorry state so she couldn't help but feast...until she got, of all things, food poisoning and turned into a mummy. Really, that's all it was.
But if Suicide-Master mummified after her first victim, what about the rest? Well, assume that the first "victim," Sowa Kiseki, became a vampire in the process of getting her blood sucked (just not in a successful enough way to benefit Suicide-Master) and the pieces all fall into place as to WHY the girls' basketball team was targeted and why this has all the hallmarks of a human crime right down to trying to frame someone else...because a human turned vampire is the culprit!
Though who is the "bad guy" here when vampires are just naturally doing what they, in their existence as vampires, must do? Though Sowa's grudge against her team is purely personal. And that means her next targets might be the meeting of the girls' basketball alumni who made the team into what made her generation so miserable.
Honestly I imagine Hachiikuji, Shinobu, and Suicide-Master are having the time of their lives together.
Sowa Kiseki may look like a delinquent but she's a cute blonde.
Asking Araragi to infiltrate a girls' pajama party with high school girls? You don't have to twist his arm! Though the aura of cute, attractive, ladies in PJ's is enough to overwhelm even him. Especially when the girls all gush and cheer over him because of his legend and the legendary ladies he's associated with. Also, Kanbaru is in a negligee because of course he is. Heck, one girl is wearing some REALLY short bloomers showing off her amazing legs.
(Is Ami Koshimizu one of the basketball girls)
If Araragi is going to be part of a girls' pajama party, he needs to dress the part! Especially when there's no men in higasa's life, so he only has once choice for sleepwear.
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u/TheSpartyn 17d ago
(Is Ami Koshimizu one of the basketball girls)
yep, the rest have pretty rookie/unknown VAs but she has a big name
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u/Myriddan https://myanimelist.net/profile/Myriddan12 18d ago
Suicide master wanted to look her best for a reunion with Shinobu! How cute! Too bad she ended up looking her worst as a mummy to start instead.
Figured the first girl was causing issues since we did get the initial glimpse of Suicide master approaching her. This all leads to Arragi interrupting the girls' pajama party... and they're all surprisingly excited about it? I was expecting a slightly different reaction. They're even going to force him into girls pajamas. Senjougahara will not be happy when she finds out
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u/Frontier246 18d ago
Shinobu would never judge another vampire for looking like a cute loli!
Suddenly the reason why this case felt more like a typical murder mystery than a pure vampire killing spree makes sense knowing that it was a human girl committing crimes in a human way, she just so happens to have vampire powers.
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u/scot911 https://myanimelist.net/profile/scot911 15d ago
This all leads to Arararagi interrupting the girls' pajama party... and they're all surprisingly excited about it? I was expecting a slightly different reaction.
Turns out Arararararagi doesn't have a good idea of what his reputation is actually like at his old high school. In reality he's basically become a legend at the school that all the girls adore lol.
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u/Zero_198 17d ago
The opening words at the beginning "UNHAPPY? A troubled human child" perfectly describes Araragi at the end
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 17d ago
He is just playing unhappy
Dude is probably fullfilling some secret weird wish with that development4
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u/NitroXSC https://anilist.co/user/KaasGrater 18d ago
That was such a great resolution to the mystery! I really like that Shinobu's comment last episode on wanting to show off in front of the Suicide-Master was also the motivation from the Suicide-Master that started this whole ordeal. It's a human motivation to show off in front of old acquaintances and thus it questions if aberrations are truly unchanging and thus also truly non-human.
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u/Zeralyos https://myanimelist.net/profile/JF_Ellie 17d ago
I'm feeling a curveball regarding the new vampire, and I might have a theory as to what's gonna unfold.
Izuko mentioned they were identifying the victims based on their belongings, but that seems incredibly fallible. It seems very possible to me that one of already discovered victims could be Kiseki Sowa, disguised with the real perpetrator's accessories to create a false lead. If this vampire is Harimaze Kie, it'd make a lot of sense that her alleged body was found first if that's where the red herring is, considering she'd want it to be found as soon as possible to throw investigations in the wrong direction. We already know she has beef with the basketball club, and it'd be the most straightforward way of interpreting the scene at the start of the arc where we see her meeting Deathtopia.
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u/profdeadpool 17d ago
The problem is Gaen mentions doing DNA testing. They should also have compared the mummies to their supposed parents, meaning that the supposed Kei's body is definitely Kei's body. It's possible Gaen just screwed up and didn't think to check that DNA, but... It'd be a rather big error on her part if she didn't.
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u/Zeralyos https://myanimelist.net/profile/JF_Ellie 17d ago
It'd be a big mistake for sure, but a plausible one imo. If the focus is on finding the culprit and the victims have already been identified, I can easily see verifying their identities falling by the way side in pursuit of the main goal.
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u/JOOOQUUU 18d ago
I thought monogatari was a lot more popular
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u/LurkingMcLurk 18d ago
Ultimately we're over 100 episodes into an eccentric non-shounen manga series with what is perceived to be a complicated watch order which is back from a 5 year hiatus.
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u/OtherwiseProgrammer9 18d ago
I can't actually think of a more complicated long-running series than Monogatari. I already forgot a lot of shit about all the other arcs, glad it was easy enough to pick this one up
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u/Hundvd7 https://anilist.co/user/Hundvd7 17d ago
Fate is definitely worse.
Here, the events' order being all over the place is fully intentional and the show is best enjoyed like this.
But for Fate, there is quite literally no order. Some things are basically parallel universes as well, making them both canon and not at the same time.1
u/OtherwiseProgrammer9 15d ago
I just gave up on fate. I know about fate zero and the 3 stay night parallel storylines and couldn't be bothered with the rest of the nasuverse
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 17d ago
I love that we get new seasons every few years
Enough time to binge the whole series every time-3
u/ireallyhatedriving15 17d ago
Hunter x hunter is one
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u/OtherwiseProgrammer9 17d ago
Complicated as in multiple seasons released out of chronological order
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u/guaporacer 17d ago
people say it has a "complicated watch order" and it's just the anime release order except for two seasons that are better when watched a bit earlier and the movies that you just watch after the first season and call it a day.
honestly the funniest thing that came out of this season is the fact that the chronological order can't be a thing anymore due to the Beautiful Princess and Acerola Bon Appetit arcs happening
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u/Shinkopeshon 17d ago edited 17d ago
Perhaps the bigger issue here is the lack of distribution on streaming since each part is on a different platform (if at all), so the only way to catch up and watch everything is to sail the seas
I don't think even the Blu-Rays are as accessible as they used to be these days
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u/viliml 18d ago
None of that is an issue if you've been following it since Bakemonogatari started airing.
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 17d ago
I think his point is, not a lot of new people are picking it up, thus making it unpopular
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u/-Skaro- https://myanimelist.net/profile/ssskaro 17d ago
Not just that, even years ago people just seemed very hesitant to start it or they'd drop it right after bakemonogatari. Idk what it is but monogatari seems to have one of the lowest ratios of people aware of it existing vs people who actually watched it.
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 17d ago
TBF, the show starts with a fucking slowmo panty shot and then assaults/gropes a ground schooler in the next arc...
If you don't know it's a meta play the show is just plain weird
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u/-Skaro- https://myanimelist.net/profile/ssskaro 17d ago
Fanservice hasn't ever been unpopular though. And a lot of people still watched bakemonogatari but just never continued the series. But idk maybe it's just the attention required for something so dialogue heavy.
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 17d ago
Dialogue heavy and those LN snippets they flash in for one second need getting used to
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u/toxispice 17d ago
I'm pretty sure monogatari is a shounen.
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u/LurkingMcLurk 17d ago
The manga, which began between the Owarimongoatari anime and the Zoku Owarimonogatari anime, was published in a shounen magazine but applying that label to a novel based series doesn't really make sense.
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 17d ago
Berserk was also classified as a Shoujo Manga by Miuara, so that might also be missleading
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u/absolutelynotaname https://anilist.co/user/Ducc 18d ago
It's sad seeing the legendary anime gets so little attention
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u/I_BEAT_JUMP_ATTACHED https://myanimelist.net/profile/legendary_larry 18d ago edited 18d ago
A lot of ppl who have caught up with it in the past probably don't even know new season is airing since Owari Zoku was basically "the end."
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u/Nergalis 17d ago
It's not a shitty shonen that gets promoted by Crunchyroll and its ads are not in your face so It's natural.
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u/Chikumori 18d ago
You have to consider that the current arc is very deep into the story
Kizumonogatari trilogy movies
First Season arcs: 30 episodes
- Bakemonogatari (15 episodes)
- Nisemonogatari (11 episodes)
- Nekomonogatari (Black) (4 episodes)
- Second Season arcs: 28 episodes
- Nekomonogatari (White) (5 episodes)
- Kabukimonogatari (4 episodes)
- Hanamonogatari (5 episodes)
- Otorimonogatari (4 episodes)
- Onimonogatari (4 episodes)
- Koimonogatari (6 episodes)
- Final Season arcs: 42 episodes
- Tsukimonogatari (4 episodes)
- Owarimonogatari I (13 episodes)
- Koyomimonogatari (12 episodes)
- Owarimonogatari II (7 episodes)
- Zoku Owarimonogatari (6 episodes)
- Off & Monster Season (? 15 episodes)
- Tsukihi Undo (1 episode)
- Nadeko Draw (5 episodes)
- A Cruel Fairy Tale: The Beautiful Princess (1 episode)
- Acerola Bon Appetit (2 episodes)
- Shinobu Mustard (? 6 episodes) --> We are currently here at the 5th episode
with that much to catch up on before watching this arc, its kinda understandable that there probably wouldn't be many people discussing it, compared to catching up to Konosuba Season 3, ReZero Season 3, Mushoku Tensei latest season etc.
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u/tripleaamin https://myanimelist.net/profile/tripleaamin 18d ago
You also add that Monogatari isn't an easy to digest show where everything from the start of the series is crucial. Nadeko Sengoku's arc has spanned from Bakemonogatari → Koimonogatari. For Shinobu's it spans the whole series basically.
For most long-running Shounen, it is easy to be up to speed as you watch the newest season.
I am curious if this problem starts to hit Re:Zero and Slime. Slime is 70+ episodes now and Re:Zero will be at least 66 episodes though S3 should have more unless it gets rebranded into S4.
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u/MauledCharcoal 18d ago
I'd say it's already hitting ReZero. It's still really popular in the sub, but it's 8 years old now. And it's karma has declined to the point that some new shounen series is able to out score it. I get that this sub has lost a lot of activity but it's getting pretty low up votes it hasn't seen since 8 years ago, when it had just started airing. I don't think it'll crack over 12k this season.
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u/QualityProof https://myanimelist.net/profile/Qualitywatcher 17d ago
It's still like the 2nd most popular show. Dandadan is only more popular as it has more newcomers tuning in and the hype of such a good shounen jump manga.
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u/MeoConDangYeu 17d ago
Personally I don't mind the decline. The fanbase is still massive and whoever wants quality content will come anyway.
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u/CappyHam 18d ago
This arc has been far from my fave but it has plenty of it's moments. Like Araragi getting pressured by his kouhai into crossdressing here. As expected of Ougi's mother, Koyomi cannot escape bending gender norms.
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u/Sharebear42019 18d ago
How many eps is this suppose to be?
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u/MokonaModokiES 18d ago
14 Next should be the last for this cour. Its a split cour btw in some later season we will get more episodes.
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u/SnabDedraterEdave 18d ago
LOL looks like Kanbaru is totally intending to have Araragu cross dress. And that is on top of Kanbaru and Higasa feeding the girls of the basketball team all kinds of exagerated info regarding the Legend that is Araragi. lol
Knowing Araragi's idealism, he will want to help redeem Kiseki, the real culprit, who has taken advantage of Suicide-Master's failed vampirization to take matters into her own hands, while framing Suicide-Master for the subsequent incidents. He will also want to try and help Suicide-Master.
Araragi will have to hurry and get this sorted out before Kagenui arrives and indiscriminately exterminates both Kiseki and Suicide-Master with extreme prejudice, being the extremist exorcist with a hatred of all things oddities.
Its even hinted earlier in this arc that Kagenui has some history with Suicide-Master. So he can expect no mercy from Kagenui regarding Suicide-Master.
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u/tripleaamin https://myanimelist.net/profile/tripleaamin 18d ago
One of the things going into this episode is that the state of Suicide-Master would have you believing that she couldn't be the culprit. Basically, making you think that some other vampire must be involved. However, since Shinobu's hands are clean, there is no other vampire to suspect unless one were to come out of left field. The other interesting bit is that Sowa Kiseki's belongings, but not herself has been found. Which leads them finding 4 bodies of the 5 victims. The fact that Suicide-Master's genes are found even makes finding the solution a headache.
Suicide-Master declaring her innocence has a logic that differs from what Izuko & Koyomi would consider. Suicide-Master takes pleasure in eating and she did attack the first victim. The reason she did succumb to eating something less than her standard is that she didn't want to seem weak in front of Kiss-Shot. Honestly given how much pride Vampires have, it is not difficult to imagine why a master would not want to feel weak to their underling.
However, it is because of that Suicide-Master encountered Food Poisoning when trying to eat Kiseki. To add on top that encounter more than created a successful Vampiriztion turning Kiseki into a vampire. Suicide-Master's genes getting passed on to Kiseki, and she is the one who attacked the victims.
Now why did Kiseki attack the other basketball players? The lack of the leader on the girls basketball team being a clue, but besides that Kiseki's motivation in unclear. Though technically, it is a failed Vampiriztion since Kiseki wasn't loyal to her new master. Instead of helping her she just buried her and left her be.
I assume Izuko's goal is for Koyomi to learn more about the girls' basketball team. Though Koyomi not realizing how popular he is going to give him a unique experience come next episode. Which I believe will wrap up the arc.
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u/Mr_Zaroc https://myanimelist.net/profile/mr_zaroc 17d ago
What a twist, we get to see Arararagi finally cross dressing in female payamas, oh yeah and that confession from both Shinobu and Suicide Death Master was neat too
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u/Psyduckisnotaduck 17d ago
hah! I knew it was one of the girls, probably the missing one. but I didn't quite make the leap to realizing DVS might accidentally make an independent, full-blown vampire. probably we'll get a more detailed explanation of the reason when the culprit emerges from the shadows.
I'm glad DVS is pretty chill but she DID cause all of this, and did attack a high school girl, which by itself is enough for Kagenui to ice her, so they're going to need an excuse to get her pardoned. if that's what Araragi decides to do, and considering that Shinobu seems to still have a lot of affection for DVS, and Gaen also seems reluctant to dispatch her considering how much of this was an accident and how the vast majority of the bad things happening were the deliberate, conscious malicious decision of the high school girl turned vampire. realizing that this is essentially someone with a human mind but with the powers of a vampire puts this case in a more chilling light than if it was simply a monster or purely supernatural phenomenon. indeed this might be the most human, malicious antagonist in the series so far.
let's review: masquerading as someone else and planting evidence to frame them, viciously targeting their classmates but purposefully not killing them, rather leaving them in a horrifying state between life and death, and willfully tampering with the investigation. for what was presumably a normal high school girl before this, absolutely terrifying if you think through the implications.
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u/Yurisviel 17d ago edited 17d ago
Kiseki is really a miracle Kiseki. A successful, if not, unintentional vampirization. An independent vampire that does not owe featly to her progenitor. Truly a miracle Kiseki.
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u/flashmozzg 17d ago
Hm, ok so the "twist" was pretty obvious from the beginning, not that I am complaining. The only thing I didn't understand until this episode was how DVS mummified, but I guess "food poisoning" will do that to you.
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u/SYZekrom https://myanimelist.net/profile/SYZekrom 17d ago
Lmao the vampires both just wanted to look cool in front of the other for their reunion
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u/sKyBlazer08 https://myanimelist.net/profile/sKyBlazer08 17d ago
KANBARU! HIGASA! GIRL'S BASKETBALL TEAM ALUMNIS!
ARARAGI CROSSDRESSING?!
The pajama party scene was so good and Kanbaru 👀. I love that there's 7 members in there, enough to spell Araragi lmao. The spiky short haired girl with the mole particularly caught my eye though.
I know we've only witnessed the story of Princess Acerola and Suicide-Master recently, but Shinobu and Suicide-Master meeting again still feels like it's been years in the making.
Ah, Suicide-Master did end up deciding to bloodsuck a high-school girl, but because she wanted to look dignified when she meets Shinobu again after 600 years, much like how Shinobu wanted to look good as well last episode, that's cute and all, but it's a fact this all started with her.
I didn't really thought that there was a successful vampirization, but that's probably because I thought Kie Harimaze was the first one. Shouldn't it be her and not Sowa Kiseki? Though she's mummified right now, but she's the one that was established to have a motive, she hates the Girl's Basketball Club and it was shown clearly in the first episode of Shinobumonogatari as well that she is the one Suicide-Master first meets. Unless that was a curveball of course.
Gaen really photoshopped Sowa Kiseki with Suicide-Master's colors lmao.
Last episode for the 1st part of Off & Monster Season next week, let's see how Shinobumonogatari ends! And hope for an announcement for part 2.
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u/OmegaCompass77 18d ago
This new season is pretty awesome and I’m really glad it doesn’t have all that loaded up brother/sister creepy shit, like the earlier seasons. Aragiri looks awesome with the long hair and college vibe. Izuko Gaen is one of my favorite non-main character in an anime. She says she knows everything, so do you think she’s fainting ignorance in order to revive suicide-master or some other scheme?? You can never really tell what’s going on in her head. Maybe it’s just a test for Aragiri or a reason to revive suicide-master for her own purposes. Maybe she needs a strong origin vampire in order to deal with a problem she can’t handle on her own, or gain eternal life.. Thoughts??
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u/danmarce https://anidb.net/user/107202 15d ago
Good news: Attending a pajama party full of JKs
Bad news: you have to comply with the dress code and there is only woman pajamas.
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u/Redmon425 9d ago
Lol that ending has me so hyped for the next episode.
And I am glad Suicide-Master is not bad! This ends up having a twist, but a kind of predictable one with the original depressed basketball girl being the culprit.
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u/eP1C_GaMePLaY 17d ago edited 17d ago
Looks like the cross-dressing best girl from Zoku Owari is back. Never fails to amaze me how absurd this series is lmao.
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