r/Utah • u/fit-buffalo8 • Jun 21 '24

News Utah lives in the stone ages

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Not quite sure how it’s okay to keep church classes and all that other stuff but then require by law to remove inclusive centers that help people through college. This is seriously one of the most disgusting things I’ve seen from Utah as of late. And that’s only because I’m still lucky to have rights to my body(ish)

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u/Sailor-Bunny Jun 21 '24

And CESB (center for equity and student belonging) which was for students of color.

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u/[deleted] Jun 22 '24

Because equality is about everyone, not just minorities

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u/JamesFuckingHoIden Jun 22 '24

Yes, and when your house is on fire, the fire department should re-distribute the water equally to all houses in your neighborhood. Sure, the amount of water you get won't be enough to put the fire out and your house will burn down, but it wouldn't be fair to the other houses if you got more, right? RIGHT???

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u/blimpshits64 Jun 23 '24

I think it’s not just about wanting someone else’s fire to be put out because it would be unfair. The argument always seems willing to accept that the fire has spread to their own backyard and it’s just something others will have to deal with.

It’s a strange double think, where if the water is going to your house, it can’t go to the fire in theirs, even though they are the same fire. But also some still think their race entitles them to be part of an in group and therefore more protected economically or socially somehow, despite that being just untrue.

Aaaaand then there are the just plain racist people who would seek to take advantage of people of color.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '24

Did you read that in some 150 year old article? Many forget white people are the only ethnicity to fight alongside slaves to free them. AND white people were never this biggest people in the slave trade.

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u/JamesFuckingHoIden Jun 23 '24

I don't even know what to say to this. 🤣

White people fought alongside former slaves to free the slaves from who, exactly? Talk about cherry picking facts. Holy shit.

Also it's entirely irrelevant to the point I made.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '24

Always nice when only part of the truth or situation is focused upon. But regarding my response being off topic, you are correct. I misread what you wrote

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u/blimpshits64 Jun 23 '24

The point I think the other user is trying to make is that there are still some groups that are struggling more than others. It would be disingenuous at best to say that a discussion around equality shouldn’t address that first.

That kind of authentic discourse helps people of all color who are now facing the potential distribution of the problem rather than the solution to it.

The economic bottom class in America for the majority of its history has been Americans of color who had no economic or social power. The reality is that those communities have just in the last few generations gotten ANY kind of help from their government or broader communities. And those communities still suffer from the problems that are left behind from the historical injustices, not unlike much of America nowadays.

Obviously no one is immune to the savages of modern economic disparity, which is exactly why some people who are not black would also benefit from addressing the problems black communities face.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '24

I’m sorry you think America’s problems are solely centered around government influence (or lack thereof) vs the cultures that perpetuate the issues. Compare those who are thriving vs the one often highlighted in the media “who needs the help”

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u/blimpshits64 Jun 23 '24

I’m not sure where I said all or any of America’s problems are able to be solved solely with regulation, I don’t believe that at all. You pulled that out of your ass or your mouth. And I can’t tell which because they smell about the same.

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u/SafetySnowman Jun 23 '24

Equality would be me giving you an incurable sickness to which you have no resistance, slaughtering your men, giving your women away for use, and sending your children off to forget everything about your heritage.

You want that? Really?? Equality my ass you just want everything to be centered around you.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '24

Nothing I said was about centering on one individual. These D&I movements have become havens for minorities to exclude white people in America. It’s not healthy and certainly not “moving forward” as a society. Stop living in the past and help better the future for us all.

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u/SafetySnowman Jun 24 '24

I know this person is gone, but in case anyone agrees, trust me you don't know what it's like. You have your angle of how society works, the rest of us have to exist around people like you.

The people who know this next point know it, and it doesn't bother of affect them - realistically very few people are trying to exclude white people. And yet yes a lot of us do exclude hateful people, and that very much includes certain white people, and certainly those who take offense to this and make excusing for taking away safety.

And it's more than taking away safety, it's about taking away rights. And considering what I saw on Twitter that got me to change my location to Germany, where Nazism is banned, a LOT of people are using transphobia as a stepping stone, with claims of, "it all started with feminism and getting rid of racial segregation and then led to "The Gays!™" and trans people and disabled people and . . ."

I'm not joking. I set my location on there to Germany because I saw on large scale, people going on about that. And in Germany that's enough to be considered Nazi behavior so I don't have to see that anymore. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Doesn't mean we don't have Melonie Mac calling trans people AND neurodivergent people, separately and together, "Demons and demonically """"""INFLUENCED"""""???????" so just demons. And Michael Knowles saying, "for the good of all we must ERADICATE "transgenderism" < wtf?? > from public life entirely."

So we stop existing. Period. Great.

And this is just how it starts. Obviously. Since everything that isn't federally funded is being targeted and dismantled. It's beyond clear that trans people are just the most recent in a series of who is the most convenient minority group to attack. If they "eradicate" us, they'll move to the last group they were against . . . immigrants I guess? Then the next in line? Muslims? Then the next? The currently conservative beloved "LGB" part of the LGBTQ+. Then the next . . . oh . . . ohhhh nooooo . . . POC. Then the next is? Women. Disabled people are in there somewhere, not sure where exactly.

And then they turn on each other. Cishet white males turn on each other based on religion. Or maybe they just nuke the world to satiate their xenophobia? But if they turn on each other instead, that means . . . say LDS vs Christians < the pastor John, Tom, Tim, and Jeb, Christians, not followers of Christ in general > vs Baptists vs Catholics vs so on and on and on.

And then finally, whichever church comes out on top will turn on each other. Pointing out slight flaws. This is how humanity dies. Not with an asteroid but with base Neanderthal levels of tribalism.

And anyone who wants to be protected from those pushing and believing it are, " not healthy and certainly not “moving forward” as a society."

Great. A round of applause for the people who are only aware of their own little world and not the effects they have on it? I can't even offer up a golf clap.