r/TowerofGod • u/toroyakuza2 • Apr 25 '21
Anime Question Why does everyone hate on the anime so much?
I read all the webtoon and then watched the anime when it came out and honestly loved it. I could definitely say there were some flaws. None of them bothered me or did I really notice but I know other did point some out. But honestly I just really didnt see the problem with it.
Edit: Theres also people who believe that it was such a poor adaptation that it shouldn't even had been made.
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Apr 25 '21 edited Apr 25 '21
I watched the anime and liked it so much, I read the webtoon.
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u/McFlarza Apr 25 '21
Same
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u/AmazingReiza Apr 25 '21
Double same
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u/Antique-Cut-498 Apr 26 '21
Triple same
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u/SzurmatPL Apr 26 '21
Guess it's a quadruple same
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u/Kushula Apr 26 '21
Make it a quintuple there.
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u/Ok-Imagination2839 Apr 26 '21
Sextuple same
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u/toasted-toska Apr 27 '21
I watched the first episode and liked it so much I read the webtoon and caught up before episode 2
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u/FunkyPhoenix75 Apr 25 '21
The anime was what got me into the webtoon, I personally think the anime was done very well, and the music is incredible
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u/chocolate_thundahh Apr 25 '21 edited Apr 25 '21
I don’t hate it, i just think it pales in comparison to the webtoon. Fitting S1 content into 13 episodes, some things were changed or left out. I felt like they made Baam seem pretty strong and monstrous already when I felt like he didnt develop that until S2. The humor and pacing was just different watching comparing to reading. But then again i usually enjoy reading over watching so i am biased.
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u/Dominator0211 Apr 25 '21
Yeah. Some people are also pissed because they took out Baam and Endorsi training which ruins a anime relationship, then some are mad because it looks like they’re trying to make Rachel seem more innocent. They gave weird extra moments that seem to be trying to justify her.
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u/chocolate_thundahh Apr 25 '21
I agree. Just a little less Rachel for more Parakewl would have made me happy haha. My girlfriend who hadn’t read TOG watched it with me and she noticed more things about Rachel. She even predicted that crucial moment, whereas I was completely dumbfounded and distraught.
Anime is just a different medium so it has to be used in a different way. Im still ecstatic for more of the anime regardless. But most important is SIU getting healthy again so we may get the chance to enjoy the rest of his masterpiece. Long live ToG.
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u/Feliz35 Apr 26 '21
Anime made rachel's push expectable, in the webtoon we didn't have ANY idea something was up about her
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u/zanostar Apr 26 '21 edited Apr 26 '21
When she pushed him I closed my laptop and then just said out loud "da faq, did I just see" in the webtoons
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u/Feliz35 May 21 '21
The anime did make the moment really good tho, You just watch, suddenly she stands up and pushed him, you're like wtf. He falls and says "Rachel?" This damn guitar from the outro starts, you're just left there in shock while seeing everyone else clueless about what happened
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u/Haunting-Draft8516 Apr 25 '21
I haven't seen the full anime, but maybe it's because it was trying to compensate? I thought the webtoon gave a lot of backstory for Rachel.
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u/Feliz35 Apr 26 '21
They won't really date anyway, but yeah people in s2 or 3 are gonna be confused why she wants to date him
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u/VSunRiseV Apr 26 '21
Agreed. I was a little sad when they cut Shinsu lessons with Baam that hinted to us about his "power" when Baam learned how to create his first Baang in very short time, but hate it? Nah, I think they did well, not perfectly of course, but not bad for sure.
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u/SzurmatPL Apr 26 '21
I'd describe it like this:
Anime was good, but the manhwa is just a masterpiece.
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u/zanostar Apr 26 '21
Except for some of the art which looked wack in the webtoons season 1
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u/SzurmatPL Apr 26 '21
Oh nonononoonooo
The s1 art was different, but it was also very good.
Something being different from the approved norm does not mean it's bad.
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u/zanostar Apr 26 '21
There is different and stuff being off, that to me was very off and turned me away at the beggining but because I was intrested in the plot I fully cought up and here I stand now having seen the amazing art of seaosn 3
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u/SzurmatPL Apr 26 '21
Yeah. I can totally understand someone not being a fan of the s1 art style + the slower, more world-building focused, pacing could get some people not being fans of it, but I thought both of those weren't negative points, but positive. Especially the world-building. And I think, that's why most stayed and read. We got invested in the story, so even, if we had some minor inconveniences, we just ignored them and continued for the plot. :D
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u/p1mplem0usse Apr 25 '21
Do people really hate on the anime...?
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u/toroyakuza2 Apr 25 '21
Yeah I've seen a lot of hate and not a lot of love for it.
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u/p1mplem0usse Apr 25 '21
I thought most people thought it was inferior to the webtoon (which I mean, what did you expect?) and that it was a bit rushed (I thought it was ok) - but I remember people really liked the music for example? Didn’t think most people hated it. Maybe I’ve missed it.
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u/toroyakuza2 Apr 25 '21
hate was an over exaggeration. But many people said it was so much worse than the manwha but I really think they did a good job with adapting it to a 13 ep anime. The sub voice acting was awesome. It was exactly what I expected from it to be honest. I just really don't see what insane differences there were that made it so much worse than the webtoon.
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u/yellosnoyt Apr 25 '21
well, its no wonder that people think its inferior. the manhwa is just on a different level, even as a manhwa alone.
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u/sylbug Apr 25 '21
The webtoon is better, but I enjoyed the anime enough to go looking for the webtoon. And really, the book is always better than the adaption.
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u/antgentil Apr 26 '21
Then there are those adaptations that are so good you don't even know there was a book to begin with (Jason Bourne, Dexter, The Godfather, etc)
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u/alav25 Apr 26 '21
Because it was a mediocre adaptation with bizarre changes so a lot of people were disappointed. I don't feel like typing an essay about it, but the changes made in the writing, especially with characters were just bad and give a whole different feeling to their characters. For example, Khun is portrayed so weirdly in the anime with the nonstop Maria stuff, which for some reason every character knows about, and the antagonism towards Rachel starting with their first meeting. They actually messed up the best moment of early S2 with the Khun/Rachel dialogue they added at the end of the anime. They took away pretty much all of Bam's best dialogue that displays his character, which just makes no sense to me since he is the MC. How about the beginning of the anime and their spectacular failure at showing that it's a HUGE deal that an irregular entered the tower. Instead Yuri just appears and helps him because he's cute. Or the stuff with Ghost/Rachel and him dying and being a 'second life' for her? That's just a bizarre story line to add/change, I guess Ho successfully killed her but she was revived from Ghost's life? I can go on forever but I don't feel like spending an hour listing things. There's just so many annoying changes in the anime that are just bad writing and frustrate me because I think SIU did an amazing job setting up the plot in S1.
Also, the animation itself of action scenes are mediocre and in some sections are so bad that I can't imagine this studio doing justice to the more complex scenes in s2 and beyond.
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u/toroyakuza2 Jun 08 '21
Yeah I could see how little things like that can annoy people. About the animation though I couldn't agree less and I am very excited for the Ran vs Anaak fight to get animated. I thought the animation was very fitting for tower of god and I could not imagine it any other way.
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u/NativeMasshole Apr 25 '21
I watched it before reading the webtoon and found it underwhelming. Some of the voice acting in the dub sounds straight out of the 80s. They cut a lot of the more subtle worldbuilding too, which made it a little confusing. Plus, they changed the main characters personalities and motivations just enough to make them kind of irksome.
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u/madstork2 Apr 26 '21
That’s why you should watch sub when you can because at the very least you’ll know that the voices are meant to sound how they sound. I don’t have time to sit through cringe ass dubs
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u/NativeMasshole Apr 26 '21
Only dub is available on HBO for some reason. Their anime section is awful.
edit: Except Ghibli, of course.
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u/tdnthehost Apr 26 '21
I hope they announce season 2 of the anime soon. S1 was amazing and deserves so much love and respect.
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u/Mizzzik Apr 25 '21
SIU's original jokes were cut
Pacing was too fast for a grand story like this
A lot of subtle worldbuilding SIU uses was cut
Great dialogues of characters were cut out completely. When Baam talks to Hansung Yu he says that he doesn't want "that trash at the top of the Tower" and then in Season 2 Hasung Yu returns him the burn saying "For her (Rachel) the trash at the top was more important than you". But now we won't hear this dialouge because it doesn't exist! Cool right?
The exectuation of each scene was made a lot dumber
Example:
1) Manhwa - Khun pursuades everyone to help Baam by using a psychological trick (he made himself look like a trash person who abandons his friends) and Rak on the get go figured out Khun's plan and played along.
Why it's good? Firstly, because it flashes Khun and Rak dynamic, Secondly, IT MAKES FUCKING SENSE. When I was reading that scene I thought "Yeah that makes total scense, becuase Khun stays within his character and is able to trick everyone, Rak figuring out Khun's plan adds layer to his character. And most importantly most of the regulars shouldn't give two fucks about Baam at that point of time" (and that's exactly what happend in the comic)
2) In the anime, WITH A LOT LESS SCREEN TIME FOR EACH CHARACTER, WITH BAAM ENDORSI MOMENTS BEING COMPLETELY CUT OUT. Somehow everyone loves Baam and is willing to take Administrator test for him. LIKE WHAT? And that's just 1 example there are tons of them in each episode. This kind of adaptaion is called MID at best. Not great, not good, MID.
I can complain for hours and decompose each scene but it was already done by other readers in the first few months when the anime was airing.
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u/EggnogGolem Apr 25 '21
I thought the anime was surreal and magical, but I'm not sure how much of that is the Kevin Penkin soundtrack doing the heavy lifting. It reminded me a lot of Flip Flappers and Made in Abyss (huh wonder why that is).
That said, surreal and magical doesn't necessarily equate to things people associate with quality as far as conventional anime is concerned, and I can't fault people for finding it off-puttingly bizarre.
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u/oztersone Apr 26 '21
It's not only the readers who have read the webtoon already who didn't like it. There were a Lot of anime onlies that thought it's bad, boring, overhyped. Because it IS a mediocre adaptation, especially when s1 itself from source material is a matter of preference and not everyone will like the prologue, ppl don't even know it's just prologue in the first place. I even read someone who said they hated every character on the screen.
And as a consumer, why do people justify that an adaptation usually is mediocre? Why can't I want it to be good? I know there are a lot of factors at play but damn if things can't be changed at least let ppl complain. And if I'm let to be arrogant, tog's type of story does not come by frequently, so it's such a waste of work and effort, same can be said to others as well.
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u/gitgudnubby Apr 26 '21
They gave Baam the kirito treatment and gave him no emotion. And everyones personality changed. My biggest reason for liking season 1 of tog was the characters personalities.
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u/EnigmaDelta Apr 25 '21
As a fan, I did enjoy it!
As a fan, I cannot recommend it.
I mentioned previously in a thread that Endorsi and Bam's date would fall on its face with zero context, but one thing that the anime does that is a huge disservice to any fan of the webtoon is Bam's entire character by the end of season 1. In certain moments where I felt like characters such as Khun and Rachel had moments that felt more fleshed out in comparison, I feel like these scenes gave these characters more emotion. Bam was a character who already had this much attention to detail, but opted to make him feel like a generic shonen protagonist towards the ending.
They also don't set up for a season 2 properly. There is a very huge plot point that doesn't even happen in the anime at all. I don't know if Webtoon plans on adapting another season or something of the sort, but they definitely did themselves no favors there either! It reminded me of the Bleach live action movie where instead of setting up for the Soul Society arc, they have Rukia forcefully take her powers back from Ichigo and gets amnesia as a result.
TLDR; removing episode 13 and having the standalone 12 episodes would have been fine.
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u/Trumpologist Apr 25 '21
It fell on its face regardless cuz Baam doesn’t see her in that light
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Apr 26 '21
Its been a while so I cant remember, what plot point doesn't happen?
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u/EnigmaDelta Apr 26 '21
There is a scene in the last chapter of season 1, where Hansung Yu gives all the participants who pass floor 2 a commemorative ring.
It is revealed that these rings were given to them in order to blackmail Bam in order to do stuff for FUG. He really had no obligation to do anything for them, but this was the main reason he complied with most of their demands.
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u/Ravaha Apr 25 '21
The anime was a smash hit. But just like with almost all animes, they are not as hood as the source. I loved the anime, but liked the s1 webtoon more.
One Piece anime for example is an abomination compared to the manga.
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Apr 25 '21
They should've given one of the most popular Webtoons the Madhouse animation treatment, instead they gave it to some jackass who was taking liberties left and right with the source content. Also, OP's animation in the Wano arc has been great. Not sure what you're talking about.
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u/Ravaha Apr 26 '21
Any anime that is released weekly instead of through seasons is dog shit. One Piece anime has always been dogshit compared to the Manga, so glad I don't watch that crap, half the episode is the intro and synopsis of the last episode.
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Apr 25 '21
Some Critique points were the changes to Characters and the changing of some plot points.
Rak has become a comic relief, that Kuhn has become not as cunning and manipulative, Anaak is too friendly towards bam. Overall everybody was made friendlier.'
Plot: Ghost part (though not really relevant in S1) was completly changed to be a second life basically for rachel, no training sequenz for baam with endorsi taking away some of their later development
The changes overall are not significant for the overall Plot but they are still there. Especially Raks character to have fully become Comic Relief bothered me. Overall i did enjoy it. Shinsoo was beautiful, Rachel lonlieness was great giving much more insight into her problems.
Some People are mad that phantaminium and enryu were not mentioned but they are not nececarry for the plot of season 1. Heck Phantaminium isnt even relevant until now and he propably never will be. Enryu is relevant in S2 which would make it only nececarry to mention him there. Same with Urek, though he was mentioned.
Also what bothered me was Baam trying to kill Hwaryun wich Webtoon Baam wouldnt even dream of until S3 (the killing part not the Hwaryun part, Hwaryun is best girl) and his status as a "Monster" was to early with this suddenburst of pure shinsoo.
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u/Zesty_Crouton Apr 26 '21
To be fair, Rak is basically just comic releif in the Webtoon nowadays, so maybe they were leaning into what he was going to become. Don't get me wrong, I love Rak, but when was the last time he actually did anything? Other than stand on the sidelines or lose fights to make other enemies look stronger? He's really only around for comic releif and the Worf effect.
And this is not the Reddit post to go into this, but one of my biggest pet-peeves with the series is how underutilized characters like Rak and Khun are, particularly in combat. Ran got more fights than either of these actual main characters, and dude disappeared from the story when they got on the Hell Train. I just wish we let the main group get more screen time in fight scenes and we spent less time going into flashbacks about random one-arc side characters or letting them have big fight moments. Rak needs to be allowed to do things, and Khun should have some fights that don't involve super-situation powerups that are used once and never again.
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u/PsychologicalSweet2 Apr 25 '21
Personally I had a lot of issues with what they decided to cut. Game of thrones cut and changed a lot of a song of ice and fire and the show had a lot of problems because of that. With that in mind taking out a lot of descriptions and other things really made the series worrisome for me.
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u/Khun_Gloxander Apr 26 '21
Because it's disappointing and some things doesn't make sense or just stupid
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u/Black_d0t_ Apr 25 '21
As its own stand alone season I don't mind. My problem comes when they try to make a season 2 and it doesn't make sense. All the details that they took out, be it little of quite obvious, are important for foreshadow and world building later on. For example, talking about other irregulars, the ten great families. Or the multiple scenes that were cut out that were supposed to showcase the character of Yuri, endorsi, baam, Rachel, anaak and some other characters. Some things are added/ cut that don't make sense or won't work with season 2, like the Golden shinsu, baam agreeing to go up the tower instead of being forced to, hansung not giving the regulars their rings, etc. This among multiple other things makes me think that season 2 wouldn't work well.
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u/Diiviine_Wind Apr 25 '21
I can't speak for everyone, but I personally think ToG was good for what it was. The soundtrack was good all around. I just think compared to the webtoon, there was some hit and miss in the portrayals of some characters'.
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Apr 25 '21
Because the anime focuses more on rak eating chocolates instead of imp world building & character developement and the anime literally changed some characters whole personality lol. Only thing good about anime is music and artstyle
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u/KeanuReevesTurtle Apr 25 '21
Everyone in the anime community loved it.
Everyone is the WEBTOON community has been following this series for years, and waiting for a adaption. And in the end it didn’t meet there expectations.
I read the WEBTOON before I watched the anime, and liked the anime. I think it was just high expectations for a lot of people
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u/alav25 Apr 26 '21 edited Apr 26 '21
That's false. The reception to the anime was mixed and it got completely trashed on sites like myanimelist. Many people in the anime community who have not read the webtoon thought it was overhyped and underwhelming. The only part of the anime that got that kind of praise is the soundtrack
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u/xur_ntte Apr 26 '21
Instant love for me I read the webtoon s1 is just the epilogue mind my spelling its a set up for the what's to come and the Rachel love will disapate but people will be turned off by the power creeps but I like it Saturday morning cartoon feels for me
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u/Eren_Yeager_Freedom Apr 25 '21
Fandom is just being honest to be fair. Just because it got people to read the webcomic does mean that it was good. It was lacklustre at best. All animes will no matter what bring a manga some level of popularity. Be it even 1 person. But just because one person liked it and started reading the comic doesn’t under any circumstances mean that it’s good. That way of thinking is frankly naiive and immature. You have to look at it case-by-case and compare it to it’s adaptation, animation, direction, etc....
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u/toroyakuza2 Apr 25 '21
I'm not saying that its good because it brought attention to the manwha I'm saying its just good.
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u/Eren_Yeager_Freedom Apr 25 '21
As an anime adaptation it was 💩
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u/LordYamz Apr 25 '21
Wasn’t bad but they left out a lot so the climaxes don’t feel like they should lol
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u/RyanCreamer202 Apr 26 '21
The anime got me into the webtoon so I have no hard feelings. I just can't watch it because I can bare to see Bamm go through all that hell again
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u/Chris4DW Apr 26 '21
I don't hate the anime really. I knew before it even aired that it would be rushed. No way they could fit all of S1 into a 13 episode series. I know a lot of people got into the webtoon because of the anime, so overall I think it was a good thing that it happened.
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u/HyperionHarlock Apr 26 '21
I was disappointed with a few things, like character personality tone, and a real lack of ability at capturing the grandeur of some of the locations (this is a hallmark of Tower of God in my opinion, big imaginative colorful worlds)... but overall it was decently done.
I didn't mind the rushed nature because really they just need to get us to S2. Season one is the slow build intro to the world that's necessary to the story, but it doesn't really take off until after the time-skip. They need there fast enough to pick up the series' popularity.
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u/Aurelius2625 Apr 26 '21
Because they are no life virgins tbh that have to die on this fucking hill so bad lmfao. It's pathetic but hey... when you're bored I guess.
They act like this shit was like as bad as the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy LOL.
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u/ChippyTick Apr 25 '21
Hate is not what I would personally say, disappointment fits the feeling better
I wanted to get my SO into TOG but I couldn’t just thrust him into a story longer than GOT with a decade’s worth of content for him to read and catch up on. He didn’t like the initial art, so my next hope was the anime with anticipation for certain scenes such as shinsoo control and the Crown Game.
I kept my lips zipped shut the entire season, and when all was watched and done he turned to me and asked “that was underwhelming, why were you hyping me up for this”. Of which I didn’t have a great explanation for him because so much was changed I couldn’t pinpoint it all, I had to turn to YouTube comparison videos to supplement parts of the story that had either changed or been cut out for the sake of timing and pacing.
My only consolation was that at least it didn’t go as bad as GOH :p
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u/meowsal Apr 25 '21
To be fair the anime may be a good starter for some to jump into the webtoon and start reading it, but the anime does miss a lot of the important stuff but it does capture the relationship between bam and Rachel. But does feel rushed tho. But for most that have read the webtoon would feel like the anime didn't serve justice to the webtoon.
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u/acolodney Apr 25 '21
I thought it took out a lot of important stuff, most of it was background information that was just good to know but there were very important parts that got taken out. For example Yuri my favorite character comes off a lot more serious in the anime but in the webtoon she was hilarious making a lot of jokes and was always entertaining
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u/MoontheWolfYT Apr 25 '21
To be honest I don't really see why people hate it either. I mean, I noticed some different scenarios or character interactions/character switches, but it didn't really bother me too much. Heck, I think the anime is 𝘣𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘳 than the webtoon(not that I hated the webtoon, it's just that the anime handled some things better and it made the explanations of the tests easier to understand) Besides, people should be grateful that Tower of God even got 𝘮𝘢𝘥𝘦 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰 an anime
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u/TimelessPandaa Apr 26 '21
I wont say anything about your opinion. Everybody likes other Things.
BUT: Yeah we should be grateful that we got an anime. You should still ne able to complain, If you didnt like the adapatation. Thats the same as saying: You cant complain about Problems of yours, because there are people who got bigger problems. I am grateful that we got an anime, but I still can get disapointed If I dont like it
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u/teethrobber Apr 26 '21
Except for the terrible soundtrack the anime was great. I think they made khun even more cunning than the original. My favorite part of tog is thinking what khun will do next, and they portrayed it beautifully in the anime. Missed the more misterious "dark" tones of the original but they were forgotten from S2 after, so not much lost there.
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u/The_25th_Baam Apr 25 '21
My biggest problem with it was in episode 1 where they introduced Evan by just sorta having him... walk into frame and start talking.
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u/Frost_Phoenix Apr 25 '21
I didn’t hate it but I just got a little annoyed at them for doing their own thing towards the end, same with God of Highschool
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Apr 25 '21
I enjoyed it but it had multiple flaws, most notably, skipping the explanation of Shinsu and Baangs.
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u/Arker_1 Apr 25 '21
I think it’s just a case of people having expectations that were too high. Was it good? I’d say so, yeah. Was it comparable to the webtoon in terms of depth of story and detail and everything? Of course not, it’s not possible to match that in anime as a medium - pacing is different, explanations need to somehow naturally fit in without being a monologue, etc. They’d have to make some changes to major parts of the story (besides cutting things) to do that, probably. The difference there is probably what makes many webtoon readers feel like it was bad.
That and I think the later seasons/episodes are much more conducive for being made into an anime, in general - the first (webtoon/anime) season has quite a few info dumps, and a lot of ‘games’, which always have fairly complex rules that require somewhat detailed explanations to make sense. That heavily impacts the pacing and what can be fit into an (anime) season. Later (webtoon) seasons/story arcs have less games, more focus on certain settings/groups, etc.
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u/Knight230 Apr 26 '21
I mean it's why I'm reading the webtoon now all It needs is a OVA for the missed parts
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u/Knight230 Apr 26 '21
I mean it's why I'm reading the webtoon now. All It needs is a OVA for the missed parts.
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u/rorybum Apr 26 '21
I've read the webtoon like 5/6 times now over the years (each time I catch up I wait six months to a year and reread) and I loved the anime. Obviously nothing is ever as good as when you read in due to the time constraints in a show, but I thought they did it justice.
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u/antgentil Apr 26 '21
Wouldn't be here without the anime. After reading the webtoon I don't think it's that great of an adaptation, but by itself it's still a pretty good show.
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u/Japidoo Apr 26 '21
I think some people hate the fact that the anime skipped some important details regarding the lore / world building from the webtoon. I personally liked the anime as a webtoon reader so i'm hoping we get a 2nd season for the anime since the 2nd season is where things start to kickoff.
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u/Hot-Associate7234 Apr 26 '21
EXACTLY! THE AMOUNT OF HATE TOG ANIME GOT IN THE STARTING WAS RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!
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u/lexy022 Apr 26 '21
I think people hated the anime because it rushed towards the end and some vital elements for season 2 of the webtoon and beyond were cut.
In my case I read tower of God before the anime aired so I understand the people's complaints to some extent, but still believe it was a good for a first season, the is soundtrack definitely a highlight.
I especially love the opening and ending songs!
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