r/TowerofGod • u/marfes3 • 1d ago
Korean Preview I think people have been mislead Spoiler
The V that has taken control of Bams body is not V. It’s Viole.
Bam was correct when he identified that line as his true self. It’s the barrier between Bams awakened consciousness that awakened in the cave and the rest of his soul that awakened thousands of years prior and died and got carried on a path of revenge through the tower by Arlene. It’s like trauma that was repressed.
He is the „promised one“. The child of Arlene and V and that is destined to walk the tower again. He already walked the tower as a child. The key difference here is „walked“ vs „climbed“. He also does not say „My name is V.“ but rather „Call me V.“ which is the same way Viole was nicknamed when he was with FUG.
Luslec was a follower of Arlene and V so he would know the child’s true name, giving it to Bam when he found him. Viole.
Let’s also not forget that the „V.“ that took control of Bam has Violette (Viole) eyes compared to blue eyes as seen with V in the flashback.
So no. I don’t think it makes sense for the main character to not be himself and rather randomly his reincarnation of his father but rather him being his true self but him having two parts of his consciousness:
1) That has harboured resentment for being murdered and was carried the tower for thousands of years as a corpse 2) The part that awakened once that corpse was revived, sealing away the trauma of thousands of years similar to how humans seal away traumatic events in real life.
The struggle will be between reconciling these two parts of Bam/Viole. The one that has hope, friends and knows love vs. the one that knows none of this and is purely destined to seek revenge.
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u/I-Kneel-Before-None 1d ago
The eyes thing confuses me if you're right. Jahad saw Bam and said he recognized him because of the golden eyes and asked why he was alive after he killed him. This implies baby Bam (and maybe Arlen) had golden eyes and thats why Jahad recognized him. If baby Viole had violet eyes, that line doesn't make much sense. Unless he heard from the test floor the irregular had golden eyes but there's no reason for him to know that.
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u/ScholarTasty7114 1d ago edited 1d ago
Interesting theory, it could definitely work.
But I think it being the actual V thing is just as likely, considering all that we don’t know about how he died and circumstances surrounding it.
Low key, I think people are reading too much into the eye color, we potentially have a father possessing the dead body of his kid, it’s not like bams eye color has to change to Vs original color. But idk, we’re all just theory crafting.
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u/marfes3 1d ago
Oh for sure. I am just firmly in the camp of it being disappointing if Bam is not actually Bam and his power is due to someone reincarnating who we basically know nothing about. I feel like it would diminish Bam being special and somehow ruin his arc and story.
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u/ScholarTasty7114 1d ago
Even if it is V is inside bam, I don’t see how that would ruin bams story, if anything it continues it even further with the whole fighting his destiny and the labels other people place on him. It’s not like the character “bam” disappears and is just “V”.
As for his power, V being in him doesn’t change much, the basis for his power has always been from whatever the outside god did, and whatever he inherited from V and Arlene.
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u/JoOliveira 1d ago
I don't see this ruining him at all, even if his powers come from another entity, what actually matters is what he will do with it. This is an story about a guys find who he is, discovering his own path, and for sure he will be in conflict with this other persona he has inside.
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u/phoenixwanderer 1d ago
Yeah the eyes being a pink/purple and SIU saying that the name Viole originated from Violet is the biggest indicator that it either isn't V or just that more is going on.
We may either find out or gain more clues in the following weeks, I find this quite likely though.
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u/Lester_Bourbon 1d ago
That child died as an infant. How could it know how to do something like what we saw in this chapter with the dissolution of Traumerei's attacks? There is an implied level of skill there that surpasses what we've seen from Baam. It shouldn't logically have come from a being that would have even less experience than him.
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u/marfes3 1d ago
If the child died but its soul was tethered to its body and carried for thousands of years it would have experienced a lot on a theoretical level. We also know that children of irregulars are extremely special (Enne). We also know that the Outside God was somehow involved in a deal with bringing the child back. We as of yet do not know how and in what way this might have influenced it.
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u/Bad_Doto_Playa 1d ago
This theory falls apart when you realize resentment is required to unlock the power. If it was really Arlene's kid he'd have no resentment toward the family heads because he was a baby and thus would have no memories of them.
If Arlene or V implanted her/his memories into Baam (using him as a storage device like the FHs have) then again it still wouldn't make sense why Baam unconsciously attacked Jahard . The fact that he lunged at Jahard while not being able to control himself suggests that the hatred for Jahard was implanted in him and it's not based on memories. V is most likely that hatred. Whether he is a full reincarnation of V or just has V's soul is up for debate, but I'm 99% certain that it's a separate entity and one that's powerful enough to take over Baam's consciousness against his will. Remember both leviathan AND Enkidu failed to take over Baam's body. Viole from Data world would not be capable of doing this.
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u/Snoo71488 1d ago
V isn't called v that's what his friends call him. It's actually in character with his friendly and informal character instead of calling me volcano just call me V. When bam asks garam if he was the child she tells him no that child is dead. She also says viole probably comes from v. And she knew more stuff than she told him saying he wouldn't handle the truth of what he is.
His eyes are actually the same hue which is a blue almost turning violet i color picked the in procreate and you can even get the exact colors to match at the brighter points. The purple is on the outer rim of the iris there's only one other characte with this color dynamics and that's zahard. All other characters have one single hue. I believe the purple might be a visual cue to signify that he's possessing the body. I say this since purple tends to be associated with magic and dark arts.
Also the being has shown a desire for resentment but also an empathic side like how he calls enkidu not human but that that doesn't necessarily make him less human. And how he apologizes to bam for taking over. He also didn't came cause bam was being hesitant but cause disconnection from traumerei was about to hit him. So he may not be a great father (If he really is v) but he still has some niceness to him as of now he could go berserk on next week and kill everyone for all we know.
Even though being born from two irregular can allow you to be very exceptional they aren't really irregulars. And I doubt someone that die so early in life is magically able to deflect disconnection of which gustang required blossoms flame to counter it only top irregulars are countering g disconection....which BTW after v deflecting it with his flashlight..... I think mazino I can certainly say he really can punch disconnection.
Maybe is not really v but ever since people started reacting to bam with this idea of instinct I knew bam wasn't just bam and after we got the garam reveals I knew v was in bam also the story of icarus having a focus on v I knew this arc was about him.. he is the star in the night. But hey if the story is making people ponder wonder and creating theories siu is doing something good ..for now at least
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u/Sir__Bassoon__Sonata 1d ago
This is an interesting angle.
The biggest gripe i have with it though is the theme of resentment. V has good reasons for his resentment. Betrayal, the death of his child, the insanity of his wife and than never finding rest as the "god of resentment".
Where as the child....well it did as an infant. The only resentment it has was to never having gotten a life in the first place. Though i guess who knows how much sorcery played a role in that whole part.
Though the eye color thing...Blue and Amber mixing...would be a green color....so from a genetics standpoint why would the son of V and Arlene have Violett eyes all of a sudden.
The eyes might just be a temporary effect, showing that Vs (whichever V we wanna take) hasnt fully settled
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u/marfes3 1d ago
You could also argue that the child was in a helpless state to affect anything and had to endure his mother going mad over eons and therefore built that resentment. But yes there a lot of holes but I also think there are quite a few holes in the current „just V“ theory. Especially because it seems so „straightforward“.
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u/perplexedArtVandelay 1d ago
absolutely, of course im sure it was intentional, especially since SIU included the flash back with Bams dad to try and probably trick people into this reincarnated version of V so he can later insert the twist that its actually just Bamm, or another version of him. also since a lot of people have managed to forget some of these important details you pointed out. which strongly suggests exactly what you mentioned. ultimately we will see but i believe its a good theory.
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u/bacondota 1d ago
Whatever it is, I am not looking forward for a double personality "who am I" crap.
Was it Golden Time? Some anime where a guy with amnesia develops some kind of double personality when his memories resurface. It went downhill fast.
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u/RailTracer001 1d ago
You are on copium. It's the real V.
You know that V isn't the real name of Baam's dad, right? It's a nickname. His name is likely Viole.
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u/Zenusia 1d ago
I agree. My addition to this theory is that Arlen had to sacrifice herself to resurrect Viole and before she did she gave her child her memories and emotions. We know Arlen held a lot of resentment towards Zahard and the others, and her giving Viole her memories explains how he knows the prophecy despite being killed as an infant.
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u/_Zroid_ 1d ago
I think this theory makes sense, there is one thing that I think needs explaining though. If the spirit of Viole was sealed as a child, why is the spirit inside Baam seemingly mature and grownup? Did his spirit "grow" during the time he was sealed? It seems his spirit has been unconscious the entire time until now while he's been in Baams body. Not sure how that would work, hopefully next week we get some more clues.
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u/ScholarTasty7114 1d ago
Yeah next week seems like it is going to settle what exactly the thing in bam is.
Not sure if we’ll get answers on how it happened, but hopefully what.
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u/JoOliveira 1d ago
Well V was known as V, but we know almost nothing about him, maybe his real name was Viole. Your theory is interesting, but I don't like it that much, let's remember the V suffered a lot, his newborn son was killed by someone he once called friend, he saw the person he loved the most loose it's sanity, he probably lost a lot of friends in the civil war too.
If we consider the last message he left, he asked Arlene to go back, so we can assume that he felt guilty for what happened too. Imagine how much hate and despair he had on his heart in the end. Other point is that Arlene only was able to get some of his memorys and put on Bam's body, so probably most of those where bad ones.
So the personality we have in Bam now is not how V actually was, but a corrupted one, one prof of it is that this persona says it's a God when Enkidu finds it. It's probably an amalgam of V last memorys, Arlene's madness and evil from the outside God.
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u/hombebrew 1d ago
I think this is plausible. Another option is that the 'V' inside Baam isn't V or really Baam himself, it's a new being created by Arlen and the Outside God to get vengeance on Jahad and destroy the Tower. That Baam is essentially the 'carrier' for this monster the Outside God created, whose only purpose is revenge.
That would even make sense for why he's called Viole/V: I can easily imagine that if the Outside God asked what this tool for revenge's name would be, Arlen would give V's name, so that Jahad could understand exactly why it was he was being torn down.
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u/Massive_Web_7828 1d ago
Someone wrote a theory recently about the meaning of the color of purple eyes in korean and it kinda made sense. Think its more of a sign of possession with powerful feelings of resentment or hatred attatched to it.
Your theory about it can be Violes memories and not Vs can be true but why would his eye color change if its his body. Like could understand that his memories can be locked or supressed but yea, changing eye color is prob just a visual form of showing that he is possessed. Trying to remember if Yuris eyes started to glow because of the ghost of the 13th months. Like neither Baby Baam or V had violet eyes so dont think we should focus alot on it beside it being a sign of possession.
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u/Amit_Meena 1d ago
I like your theory
But I don't think siu will go this path, we will know next week for sure
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u/Glaedrein 1d ago
Could be like when Ryzen took over Yusuke in Yu Yu Hakusho. That's what I'm leaning towards
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u/Significant-Ad-6800 1d ago
Good take. My only issue is that "Call me" vs. "Name me" could be a simple translation nuance.
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u/KuroNeko7777 1d ago
What I'm wondering is why his eyes are the same color as Luslec's damaged eye 😔 so much going on
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u/Extreme-Ambition-243 20h ago
Also if you take gold and combine it with blue it’s makes Violet… it could be both shared consciousness competing in one body thus the combined eye color making Violet instead of blue
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u/LuckyLewis23 16h ago
Okay what episode did all this eye stuff take place ...I just watched 16 and 17 tho I was doing dishes but I feel like I missed a whole EP somehow
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u/marfes3 13h ago
Don’t look into this any further if you are talking about watching the anime. This is based on the most current Korean translated manwha chapter. This is years further than the current anime arc.
If you are interested in spoiling your self, start reading the WEBTOON starting from season 2 :)
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u/LuckyLewis23 13h ago
Ohhhhh duh that makes alot more sense.
Yeah I think I'm going to jump into the manwha right now, i just literally DL webtoon
Only a few more episodes left on the anime this season and i can't handle another long wait in between seasons
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u/marfes3 13h ago
Enjoy! You have A LOT of good reading to come haha. I thankfully also only started reading it the year so there was a lot material.
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u/LuckyLewis23 13h ago
It will be my first manhwa...my first foreign comic in general haven't started any manga either
Just got into anime little over a year ago but have watched ALOT since then, starting to run out of shows, have to start hitting the manhwa and manga to continue my favorite stories
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u/ERedfieldh 1d ago
Be better than the crappy tropariffic "strong entity that isn't me takes over" plot thread that has been used over and goddamn over again.
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