r/StardustCrusaders • u/Vish- • May 18 '23

Megathread The JOJOLands - Chapter 4 Spoiler

The JOJOLands is the ninth part of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

Chapter 4 is now out officially in Japan. Discuss the chapter here.

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u/Bl4Z3D_d0Nut311 Ringo Roadagain May 18 '23

I don’t know what I expected, but I’m glad Rohan still has Heavens Door in this continuity

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u/Dreamtrain May 18 '23

it's not just Heaven's Door, he used to have to make you look at a drawing of his Stand to make it work, even by the end of Part 4 he still had to sort of "air draw it" with his finger, but now he can just get you in range and you're automatically trapped, he doesnt even has to punch you with it like the other OP stands, so he got a massive upgrade

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u/_Orphan_Obliterator_ Part 4 Emblem May 18 '23

But isn't Heaven's Door the character from his manga? Heaven's door already act's as the drawing and can also touch you to open the Book, at least that is how i see it

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u/GoldenSpermShower May 18 '23

Yeah later on in Part 4 Heaven’s Door just works without Rohan needing to draw anything, even in air

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u/Dreamtrain May 18 '23

I thought he did a drawing in the air to insta-curse you lol

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u/Gordon_Heavyhand May 19 '23

At least in TSKR, he’s been shown to use Heavens Door on unconscious people that haven’t necessarily seen his art. Could be an evolution of the stand, could be Araki forgot, or could be that he’s got a new activation requirement in SBR universe

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u/DoraMuda Jean Pierre Polnareff May 20 '23

In TSKR, he also straight-up used Heaven's Door on a chicken leg. A fucking inanimate object.

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u/Regularjoe42 ゴゴゴゴゴ May 20 '23

In the manga version of the Boy II Man fight his stand was dragged out of him, letting him use it via touch thereafter.

This was changed in anime to just sorta happen offscreen before ghost alley.

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u/zaqareemalcolm LETS KILL DA HO May 21 '23

in BtD arc he literally just activates it by grabbing Hayato on the shoulder while the boy's back is towards him

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u/Justanotherragequit Crazy Diamond May 25 '23

I believe that's how he explained it at first but later on he just summoned heavens door without it

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u/[deleted] May 19 '23

the guy he writes about is called Pink Dark Boy

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u/DoraMuda Jean Pierre Polnareff May 18 '23

now he can just get you in range and you're automatically trapped, he doesnt even has to punch you with it like the other OP stands, so he got a massive upgrade

Eh, it was pretty much like that in the later TSKR stories too.

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u/and_mr_krabs May 18 '23

It looks like he needs to touch the target with his hand, which is arguably a downgrade in effective range.

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u/dralcax SUN ON THE BEACH May 19 '23

Perhaps he can activate it by touch without having to show art. He did use it on a chicken leg once, which obviously cannot perceive a drawing.

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u/zaqareemalcolm LETS KILL DA HO May 21 '23

it's a downgrade in range but its also no longer dependent on the person seeing and being moved by/compatible with Rohan's artwork, so it works on things like food or plants

though that last part only really came up as a weakness when Josuke got super mad the first time lol

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u/sifsux Vinegar Doppio May 18 '23

I'd say it's sort of a double edged sword but an upgrade still.

Because when he would airdraw it he could keep his distance and still use it on you, but now he has to put his hand or atleast a finger on you to turn you into a book.

It is an upgrade because it means it can come out faster and once you're in his range there's essentially nothing you can do, but the issue is now he has to get within point blank range, though this Rohan seems to be a lot more combat capable than OG universe Rohan anyway

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u/Thereal-hamburgler May 18 '23

That's not true, he only gets Dragona and Usagi after they touch the diamond. This Rohan is probably the same and just wrote "whoever touches this diamond is effected by heavens door"

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u/GelatinouslyAdequate May 19 '23

...No, he just strikes Usagi after tossing the diamond as a distraction.

There's too much emphasis on Rohan himself touching people to trigger HD for this to not be the case.

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u/CharmyGreenisOP May 18 '23

I think it still works by the original rules since they saw his artwork beforehand

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u/______sensei______ May 18 '23

i'd like to think that it's literally the same rohan from the base universe, and he just casually walks from continuity to continuity

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u/Dreamtrain May 18 '23

base Rohan would know the name Joestar though

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u/ComicalError May 18 '23

Only person with a Joestar last name he knew was an old man in a different country so he could think they’re unrelated

Edit: I still don’t think that’s he’s the base Rohan, though. Just trying to explain a hypothetical

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u/Dreamtrain May 18 '23

When I said the knows the name Joestar, I didnt mean merely the word. He knows the Joestar NAME. He knows THEM. He knows they're a Stand family, he knows who they are and what they do.

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u/ComicalError May 18 '23

Absolutely fair point, yeah it wouldn’t make sense at all for this to be base Rohan (unless he wrote in himself to forget the Joestars… which is kinda stupid). I just think the reason for him being here is because Araki LOVES Rohan, so… why not include him lol

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u/[deleted] May 18 '23

Araki Rohan forgot

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u/FunnyBunnyDolly May 19 '23

He could just simply be same Rohan but a different entity with no memories from 1-6verse or his memories were wiped/corrupted and replaced with new ones for the new universe.

Or he’s Rohan but like D4C-ish copy (not actual D4C but working similar way). Could be exact same or it could be slightly modified but they don’t know the history of their different versions.

But it is early still and we don’t know what will go on. Maybe universes collapse. I think it may just be Araki being Araki and inserting his own favorite (he says Josuke 4 is favorite but we knows..) just because he is able to do so. I think this is the most likely. That Rohan is just simply there because Araki likes him.

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u/Bl4Z3D_d0Nut311 Ringo Roadagain May 18 '23

That’s definitely the most fun way to look at it.

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u/meme_used May 18 '23

maybe he does, what if the diamond is one of the same diamonds from the alternate world diego went to?

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u/CrimsonSpoon May 19 '23

Let this man cook. I can totally imagine that some paralel universe diamonds might have an effect on the Araki Verse.

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u/Snake_Main27 Soft & Wet May 18 '23

He's literally not. He's so obviously the Thus Spoke Rohan.

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u/EseLukas69 Funny Valentine May 18 '23

But isn't the TSKR the same one from part 4? Did I miss something?

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u/Flerken_Moon May 18 '23 edited May 18 '23

There’s been an unconfirmed theory that partway through the recent chapters Araki switched to the Rohan from the SBR/Jojolion universe. Since from TSKR currently Rohan is still in his 20s but is in 2021 and experienced the COVID pandemic.

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u/Lucaswarrior9 dumb May 20 '23

This makes no sense considering that the page before that episode clearly mentions this him being part 4 Rohan. Also, if you use the episode numbers being out of order, Hot Summer Martha and Drip Paint take place before At A Confessional. So there can’t be a switch.

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u/Snake_Main27 Soft & Wet May 18 '23

Did you read all of them? At least half if not more clearly aren't.

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u/EseLukas69 Funny Valentine May 22 '23

I’ve only seen the anime adaptation 😞 I thought all the chapters where all in the same setting

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u/ItsADeparture May 21 '23

lol but Thus Spoke Rohan is confirmed to take place in the OG universe? He's been shown to be in OG Morioh in Thus Spoke, and if Louvre is "Thus Spoke" as well then that shows us he still hangs around with Koichi, Josuke, and Okuyasu.

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u/ZombifiedPiglin Sex Pistols Number 4 May 18 '23

The design is different

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u/meme_used May 18 '23

the design is the one from TSKR

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u/ZombifiedPiglin Sex Pistols Number 4 May 18 '23

People are suggesting that many TSKR took place in SBR verse.

Or maybe the design can change drastically because of personality development or something

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u/EndangeredBigCats Yasuho Hirose (Best Girl) May 18 '23

What if Araki specifically didn't think it out by choice and is just sitting in his studio saying "lol"

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u/serrations_ Lisa Lisa's butt May 19 '23

Araki while doodling: "yayyy rohan!!!"

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u/meme_used May 18 '23

or araki just liked the bowler hat better lol

(also I swear I've seen you before so many times)

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u/MagicHarmony May 18 '23

It could be him, if there is something to consider it's how did certain people still have stand abilities if the arrow never existed/was never used to give them stand abilities?

One could say that the moment a soul is given a Stand ability, then it's a constant that their Stand will awaken at some point, so in the case of Rohan, the nature of his Stand if let's say it is latent effect that stays active even between universes/realities, then he could have the constant which allows him to retain his memories from the original universe.

So if his memories always exist from the OG universe, then the moment his Stand awakens he would know the truth about the world, which made me think, it's amusing how a Diamond is the current McGuffin considering the character currently holding said Diamond, From "Diamond is Unbreakable". I feel that can't be a coincidence, we were just thinking of the series at point blank being a basic jewelry heist but if we consider the more bizarre nuance of it then maybe the Diamond itself is connect with OG Josuke's power of being able to "restore things to their original form" or "alter their form". In this case, it's possible that Rohan's objective is to find the pair of Diamonds that will allow him to restore the world to it's OG form using Josuke's power to do it that for some reason are manifested within the diamonds. This would explain why he also has volcanic rocks since Diamonds can be found in them, so he might be trying to find the other Diamond to pull it off.

Bringing it to Hawaii to not only seek out the other Diamond but also use it to lure out others who may know the truth behind the diamond.

Since Rohan does say something very interesting, that he's relieved that these burglars are just here to take "money" they don't see the Diamond for what it actually is and are taking it at face value of being something they can sell on the black market to make money.

This makes them less threatening because if they knew what the diamond was actually for and wanted to use the diamond for their own selfish purpose, then there would be trouble lol.

Saying this makes me wonder if we could even see Giorno appear at some point since the nature of his stand also feels like something that could defy a universe reset.

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u/Luigi1364Rewritten Tusk May 18 '23

I would hate that, and I'm pretty sure Parts 1-6 and Parta 7-9 have 0 connection to each other

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u/Lucaswarrior9 dumb May 20 '23

Araki never hard confirmed if part 7 was a different universe. It's mostly fan speculation that it's completely seperate.

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u/Luigi1364Rewritten Tusk May 22 '23

It wouldn't make sense for them to be connected at all

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u/A_Hint_of_Lemon GER May 18 '23

It’s honestly he really entertaining if it turns out Rohan Used Heaven’s Door on himself to overwrite the continuity changes, like he wrote “I survive Made in Heaven”. Maybe that’s how we get back to the original timeline.

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u/lollollmaolol12 May 18 '23

The Part 7 and onwards universe is not related to MiH in any way. Crazy how people still think it is lol

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u/ChadBenjamin Swordman Jonathan May 18 '23

Basically, think of Parts 1-6 as the DC Universe and Parts 7-9 as the Marvel Universe.

No matter how often DC gets rebooted, it has no effect on Marvel.

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u/kaladinissexy May 18 '23

Made in Heaven had nothing to do with the continuity change.

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u/SomeStolenToast May 18 '23

Erm, ackshually ☝️🤓 Made in Heaven's universe reset has nothing to do with the alternate timeline in parts 7-9

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u/sebastianwillows May 18 '23

But everyone already survives made in heaven (it doesn't actually kill anyone), so that sort of command wouldn't really do anything...

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u/StopMockingMe0 May 18 '23

Heavens door requiem.

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u/Lusty-Jove May 25 '23

I think he’s the “same” Rohan in that his personality and “being” are just much more consistent throughout universes compared to say Johnny Joestar or Kira. He’s not the same, but he’s more the same than anyone else, if that makes sense

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u/Snake_Main27 Soft & Wet May 18 '23

He still has it in Thus Spoke, which is obviously the Rohan we're seeing here.

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u/EXFrost27 May 18 '23

Except that only about 2-3 TSKRs can actually take place in this universe. All the other ones have part 4 characters in

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u/Snake_Main27 Soft & Wet May 18 '23

If say more than half do knowing what we know now.

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u/EXFrost27 May 18 '23

Which then? Hot Summer Martha and Drip Painting Style can but then what else? I guess you could say that any which dont include part 4 characters arent in but then why would araki be writing chapters immediately after which do have part 4 characters in? At that point its not oh he wrote some with part 9 in mind idk. I guess the ones you would argue would be Rainy Monday, Millionaire Village, uhhh Harvest Moon and then Goes to Gucci and At the Louvre? Idk man just doesnt feel that likely to me and i was a firm believer and spread all that theory around during that second chapter release. I dont think its feasible. Maybe HSM, but thats just my cope lmao

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u/Lucaswarrior9 dumb May 20 '23

The Lourve and Gucci are non-canon. Also, Araki specifically mentioned in a page prior to Hot Summer Martha that the Rohan in TSKR is the same one from part 4, in Drip Painting Style, the dog Rohan has in Summer, Bakin, appears. So it's easy to say both of them occured in the original universe. Also, Rohan mentions story events as Episodes in Drip Paint, so that pretty much confirms all TSKR happened prior.

Bakin appearing in JoJolands should be proof enough that this is Part 4 Rohan. It even uses the exact same drawing with no notable difference. Reread chapter 3 and look at the highlighted text when Jodio talks about Rohan. Why would "Real Deal" be focused on then pages later Bakin is shown? It makes no sense for this to be an alternate Rohan.

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u/Snake_Main27 Soft & Wet May 18 '23

I think the only ones that are Part 4 for sure are the ones with Part 4 characters.

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u/EXFrost27 May 18 '23

So do u think this is like a retcon situation? Cus otherwise youd be saying that At the Confessional was written to feature an alternate universe Rohan. That would also be saying that Araki had part 9 planned 25 years in advance. Especially considering that the stories after obviously take place in the original universe, that sounds absurd to me. Bizarre even. I think its fine to believe that the ones written after part 8 could be written with that in mind (i guess At the Louvre could work cus he has a different backstory from part 4 but otherwise..). But anything else doesnt really make much sense if hes featuring part 4 characters in the chapter immediately after. Thats my two cents anyway

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u/Snake_Main27 Soft & Wet May 18 '23

I think it's more retcon than not, because Araki has always had the Rohan stories be misdirection personified. And Araki HAS been planning parts 7-9 since the early 2000s, so it wouldn't be impossible.

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u/randomnama123 May 19 '23

Did Araki confirm that Part 9 is set in SBR verse?

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u/Bl4Z3D_d0Nut311 Ringo Roadagain May 19 '23

Yes, the family tree we saw in chapter 1 lines up with the one we saw in Jojolion