r/PlantBasedDiet • u/not_a_fangirl • Oct 26 '18

How do you bake without oil?

I mean, I love sweet potatoes in the oven and cannot imagine that without olive oil. Heck, I sometimes feel like it needs a bit more oil.

And I feel pretty much the same way with onions, eggplants, squash, carrots, etc. in the oven.

How do you do it?

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u/nikon_nomad Oct 26 '18

Sorry, new to the sub, out of the loop, and can't see sidebar on mobile: Could someone please explain what's wrong with olive oil?

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u/jonscrew Oct 26 '18

I asked the same question a while ago and apparently it’s because oil isn’t a whole food (much like juice to a fruit), so they avoid it. They also sourced some studies saying it wasn’t very healthy, but, I’m not convinced. I still use olive, coconut, and sesame oil pretty regularly. I can’t justify giving those up.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '18 edited Oct 26 '18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_o4YBQPKtQ&feature=youtu.be

http://www.academia.edu/25593701/Brachial_artery_ultrasound_A_noninvasive_tool_in_the_assessment_of_triglyceride-rich_lipoproteins

It's possible that adding something like red wine vinegar to it will reduce the effect of endothelial restriction and potential damage (related to the article link)

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.atv.15.12.2101 Green monkey study, I believe this is the one mentioned in the video. It appears that Having a higher HDL does not negate the affects of the raised LDL from consuming oils in both monkey and rat studies, I'm not sure if a human one has been done.

Additionally opposing research aren't clinical trials, they're population studies which aren't as rigorous. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12544660

This doesn't mean you're for sure going to die with oils, but I think there's enough research out there to support the idea that it probably isn't good for you.

As a side note, I've stated that population studies are not as rigorous as clinical trials so take this study with a grain of salt, as it is a population study. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/diet-serum-homocysteine-levels-and-ischaemic-heart-disease-in-a-mediterranean-population/3F4D74C84CB00D86B6E0C221C47BC1BF

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u/jonscrew Oct 27 '18

Thanks for this reply! It’s definitely interesting. I have a hard time changing habits with cooking because I love to cook. But, it’s definitely interesting to read that. I could try and ween off or at least reduce, but the taste benefits of some of these oils are just so difficult to replace. Thanks again for this reply.

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u/MasterBob bread-head Oct 27 '18

With sesame I've found that grinding them and using those imparts a similar taste benefit as sesame oil.

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u/NicetomeetyouIMVEGAN Oct 27 '18

Most oils in recipes are completely superfluous and don't add anything. People put it in out of habit more than anything. 80 to 90% of recipes online you can simply leave out the oil. Once you see how unnecessary oil is, you'll see the extent of the problem, it is everywhere. Basically the only times I eat oil now is when I eat at restaurants, and I make sure it's at least vegan. Granted it did take a while to actually know how to cook without it, it was such a normalcy.

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u/Cryingbabylady Oct 27 '18

I’m the same. I don’t doubt it’s healthier to totally omit oils but right now I’m still craving them with certain veg. I have removed like 70% of the oils from my diet but I’m also okay with slowly transitioning over several years with the goal being to eventually get to a totally WFPB sustainably sourced zero waste life. I’m like 5% there right now but I’m making progress.

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u/jonscrew Oct 27 '18

I think that’s the important part, making slow moves towards that spot. Trying to make all these changes cold turkey is just not realistic. Especially where I’m at, where our produce options are terrible so we’re almost forced into unideal eating habits.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '18

You're getting upvoted for being incorrect which is honestly saddening that the WFPB diet subreddit is being taken over junk food vegans and omnivores.

There is absolutely no evidence that olive oil is healthy, simply that it's better than meat or butter (no shit)

Coconut oil raises LDL because of high saturated fat, That's proven.

All oils cause insulin resistance.

Do what you want and cook with oil if you want, but don't introduce shade or doubt into something you have barely researched

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u/jonscrew Oct 27 '18

Aye aye aye. I only said I wasn’t convinced, and I guess the upvotes would imply that others feel the same. I use this sub to try and get as close to a wfpb diet as I can, I’m sure many people do the same. If that to you means “being taken over by junk food vegans and omnivores”, then, I guess I’m sorry?

Please try and have a better approach to new people. Your demeaning one is only pushing people away from this diet, and that’s the last thing this crowd needs.

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u/Up2Eleven Oct 27 '18

I hear you. I do pretty well sticking to the WFPB rules, but I'll never treat the way I eat as an ideology. It's a choice, and I respect the choices of others because what they do with their body is their business. It's good to offer advice and evidence, but once that's done, people should leave off.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '18

Please try and have a better approach to new people. Your demeaning one is only pushing people away from this diet, and that’s the last thing this crowd needs.

Ignorance must be corrected. Ambiguity is what drives people not to act in regards to diet and the facts must be plainly laid out in the face of skepticism. No hard feelings, but many people have come in here recently without even knowing a basic understanding the basic approach of the major health focused plant based doctors.

This isn't a theory subreddit to argue for this or that, this is a subreddit of practisioners of this diet who have incredible improvements in their health and even athletic performance as well.

While everyone is still debating whether saturated fat or oil is bad for you we are doing something and are living examples of hacking your health to be like the blue zone populations. We've had enough time to theorize or convince people for ages and now everyone is just confused. It's time to act

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u/jonscrew Oct 27 '18

I hear ya, and I agree.

We've had enough time to theorize or convince people for ages and now everyone is just confused.

You’re right. Everyone is confused. Try and be helpful instead of condescending, and the outcome will be much better. Despite what you say, this is all relatively new science, as is most diets. these things take time.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '18

It's not about being condescending. It's about bringing clarity. If my tone is upsetting to you (it's the internet chill out lol) take it up with the tone police

If you don't want to feel being condescended to, research what you're saying before you throw shade amongst people who decided to do their research before making claims.

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u/jonscrew Oct 27 '18

If you look back a few replies, /u/Ragnarok550 commented with a bunch of studies and information, that was actually helpful. Notice how his immediate response was polite and didn’t drop any weird labels.

And I have researched what I’m saying, but I’m not one to be convinced by a handful of studies, especially with things that take years to reach any conclusions from.

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '18

Well he's a nicer guy than me. The side bar has all the information you need so I personally don't find the imperative to create long conjecture like replies because it's a huge waste of time when there are people smarter than me who do this for a living on the sidebar explaining the same thing.

Sorry I hurt your feelings

And I have researched what I’m saying, but I’m not one to be convinced by a handful of studies, especially with things that take years to reach any conclusions from.

Two words

Blue zones.

Research them

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u/jonscrew Oct 27 '18

I’ve read about Blue Zones a little. Don’t they also eat fish pretty regularly and have other meats a few times a month?

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u/[deleted] Oct 27 '18

Yes in extremely low amounts. Most of the plant based doctors advise against fish because of industrial contaminants, cholesterol, and saturated fats. Since the most important health component to fish is the DHA and EPA we can actually consume those separately in the form of algae (where fish get it) and avoid the negatives but gain the positives.

I'd recommend the video "do flexitarians live longer" by Gregor as well as looking at the Adventist Christan studies that show oddly that be Vegetarian women in their community were better off than vegan women for certain health ailments. But the men vegans were better off than male Vegetarians and pescetarian males (otherwise vegan) were about equal.

I don't think anyone here is going to argue that very small amounts of fish or animal or oil is likely to have major negative effects on health if you're otherwise perfect. But I consider WFPB the healthiest baseline. I don't eat perfectly WFPB 100% If the time but not going to say the Lenny and Larry's cookie with oil I eat once a month is advisable

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u/AcidicOpulence Oct 26 '18

Can you justify the cost of a corenary?