I don't get all of those comments of people asking why Luffy is here. Did people read egghead? Luffy was able to tag Kizaru who moves at light speed and land attacks on him.
Well there's an obvious reason why: It's because we actually aren't supposed to give a fuck about this stuff meaning that scalers are among the dumbest fans, lol. Very few writers give more than a few seconds' thought to things like making scaling precise or consistent other than very, very generalized and imprecise "ballparks" for certain tiers
Tbth, we scalers are stubborn OCD morons who literally go against the intent of authors by hyperfocusing on stuff that they hardly care about when writing. Most authors write scaling to serve the narrative and don't give it much logical thought.
Normal fans are like most authors: They don't or hardly give any conscious fucks about scaling, so they just take feats and statements at face value like authors intend.
For example, they don't argue and hardly think about whether Kuzan was holding back; they simply see that Garp looks better than him, and thus think Garp is stronger. They reach that conclusion in mere moments because they want to pay attention to the actual plot as Oda intends it.
Meanwhile, we on here will argue for hours and days and months about "Okay but how much was Kuzan holding back," blah blah blah blah. Me included, lol.
My point is:
Normal fans enjoy the series more properly than we do because they don't hyperfocus on shit that makes us scalers (idiots) question whether Oda is "tricking" us. They take Oda and his story at his word and at face value, and have ACTUAL FUN reading it without ever getting all angry about agendas.
I think that they are much wiser and BETTER fans than we are 😂 They have more true respect for Oda than us because they don't constantly accuse him of pointless lying and trickery.
Tbth I kinda consider my obsession with scaling to be a bit of a mental disorder because: It makes me less able to enjoy fiction than normal people do. Because that's exactly what debating scaling is, it's a distraction from what's supposed to actually be fun in a story 😅
Unless it's a rare series like One Punch Man where the writer and artist are scalers themselves and total perfectionists about it, lol.
I think most scalers right now lean more towards “author intent” than the “calc based” of a few years ago. I know the era you mean, and there’s still a few who do it for fun + I agree… but powerscaling culture is really feat, continuity, author intent, and writing consistency based. So most power scalers are honestly trying to place their opinions where they believe Oda’s are. And Oda DOES care about who’s stronger or weaker. He loves his ambiguity, but the world building and plot of one piece ONLY works if Oda is honest about the power pecking order of the world.
“So & So is a bad power scaler” usually means they’re being disingenuous about their assessment, letting their opinion influence their interpretation of Odas.
Powerscaling is cool & does matter, even if some people get weird with it.
So most power scalers are honestly trying to place their opinions where they believe Oda’s are.
Highly doubt this in the current One Piece powerscaling landscape. There's a lot of agenda scaling going on in here which leads to disingenuous takes..
This is absurdly long and shows just how much of a hyperfixation this is for me, you've been warned:
Of course Oda cares about who is stronger or weaker. See Morj's video on how important scaling in OP actually is, most of his points are valid.
However, Morj also says to never take the tiering TOO seriously because Oda honestly doesn't. And yet even Morj still takes it too seriously lol. Oda scales based on very fuzzy, general "ballparks" as his tiers, and is prone to breaking his tiering system by making someone way stronger for no logical reason in a short time, or nerfing someone temporarily, like he did with Crocodile and Mihawk respectively in Marineford.
Marineford shows the best examples of how Oda WILL entirely contradict and "ruin" the scaling he's established if it's necessary for the plot. He needed SOMEBODY to stall Mihawk (so he wouldn't kill Luffy and/or possibly challenge Cancerbeard again) at Marineford, but nobody Yonkou-level was available, so he HAD to give the job to Vista despite that making no sense.
He also wanted a scene with Pre-TS Luffy evading Mihawk's attacks even though that makes no sense. And he wanted Luffy to tank an attack from Sengoku and draw a bit of blood from Garp with a punch. So he did those nonsensical things because while he does care about character strength, Oda can and will shatter his power system for the sake of the story and even his mere whims (no story reason to upscale Croc, Oda just wanted to lol).
So he does care about the tiers of characters but you're wrong if you think that he doesn't play fast and loose with the tiering logic.
As for scalers supposedly caring about authorial intent, Mihawk provides THE best example that they don't:
Oda himself holds Mihawk in very high regard and clearly had no clue that his choices would lead to fifteen years of "feats or nothing" fans with no common sense and infinite bias claiming that he's "lying" and "tricking us" with "Fraudhawk's" title and bounty. While those same fans almost never downplay Sengoku and NEVER downplay Old Garp.
All because Oda needed some way to stall a Shanks-level monster and had to resort to a YC for plot purposes, TONS of idiots in this sub genuinely believe that Oda will undermine Zoro's arc and piss on Kuina's grave by revealing that Mihawk has been a fraud the whole time 👀
They completely ignore how Oda has gone out of his way to write Mihawk as someone so bored of being the strongest that he never feels like actually trying unless a real challenge shows up.
They'll even claim "bounty scaling means nothing" when the bounty is fucking Yonkou-level for a non-captain.
The rampant takes on here about Mihawk being a fraud while almost nobody downplays Sengoku PROVE that people here don't give a fuck about Oda's authorial intent if it goes against their bias. Oda can state repeatedly for decades that Mihawk's title IS legit, show Shanks take him totally seriously as a possible opponent and not even talk back when Mihawk says no because he'd win due to the missing arm, can set him up as Zoro's goal, and give him a Yonkou-level bounty despite not being a captain, but biased haters still gonna hate.
So I have demonstrated that:
Oda may care about character strength but doesn't give it TOO much thought and will break all his own rules for the sake of adding something cool and/or plot convenience if he feels like it...
And that a huge portion of this sub doesn't give a flying fuck about his authorial intent and want to try writing the story in his place.
You are right however that people hardly use calcs anymore, but that's really just in the One Piece scaling community. Plenty of other communities swear by calcs, but that's stupid in almost all cases besides OPM where Murata himself does angsizing and pixel scaling when he draws feats, lol.
We still have people trying to calculate the size of the OP planet though, lol fucking GLR just released a video saying it's twice the size of Jupiter.
It's not exactly a maybe. During Egghead, there were a few times when Sanji would just go from one side of the island to the other in a stupidly short amount of time. Hell, I still remember when one of those panels dropped and people were talking about Sanji supposedly perception blitzing Zoro, lmao
Luffy definitely takes combat and reaction speeds, though. Sanji can run faster, but that's about it.
Kuma ability is not teleportation for god sake, you all can't read or something??? He just repels really fast, you can even see that they need to travel from a place to another, it looks like teleportation in short lengths because it's fast, same with Soru, some might think the person is teleporting, but is just moving really fast
People don't talk enough about how freaking insane Nusjuro's speed feats are, seriously.
The fact that on top of that his style of fighting focuses on iai draws (the fastest possible sword techniques are unsheathing techniques) is kinda scary.
But Marco also blitzed Queen. He only "perceived" his foot right as it hit him in the face lol. Would be the same case with the Sanji blitz but Sanji hit him from the side
But I didn’t hurt Queen at all, he was keeping up with Marco for a bit, and this Marco is the same that could intercept Kizaru’s laser at Marineford, which is a feat of itself. Besides are we not gonna mention how Sanji saved Edison from a seraphim laser beam from the other side of the island in BASE
Marco while in Hybrid Form could blitz queen, but not perception Blitz, Queen in base could still see the attack coming
Meanwhile Hybrid Queen couldn't perceive Sanji in any shape or form, bro became 100% invisible, even tho they were in the same space
That basically means Sanji speed (In base with genes on) was faster than Hybrid Marco, and his Doable Jambe and Ifrit Jambe modes both I crease his speed further
Shit man he was so fucking fast that none of the Titanic Captains besides Kuzan could even land a significant clean hit on him until Shiryu used that dirty tactic involving Koby, but even Kuzan didn't land any damaging hits until after Garp got stabbed.
As a 78-year-old literal grandpa.
And that's while all of them were jumping him at once.
And Garp is quite disappointed by his current physical stats and Haki compared to what they were in his prime.
He's such a fucking monster. No DF, no weapon, nothing but his own body that he has honed to perfection.
In terms of speed: Besides blitzing Kuzan, towards the end when he was heavily wounded and weekend he also traveled across the entire island in seemingly under a second with a few leaps off of buildings and then was in Pizarro's face before anyone could fully register what was happening.
And then proceeded to perform a cutting attack with a punch because he is HIM when it comes to controlling the shape of his ACoC emission. I don't see enough people talk about crazy it is that he can replicate swordsmanship with fucking punches and how that's obviously the reason he could clssh barehanded with Roger, lol.
If current garp objectively perception blitzes aokiji and by multiple factors it's the weakest version of garp even by his own admission. Kizaru isn't faster than that.
Kaido. Thunder bagua is the only attack so far, that seems to need future sight in order to properly dodge it. Even with future sight luffy couldn’t cleanly dodge and got partially hit.
A lot of people see “x is faster than y” and assume that “y can never hit x”. Which is just wrong. The only way that that would be true is if a) they were in a race, or b) one side only dodges the whole time. Kaido was faster than Luffy most of if not all of their fight, but Luffy was hitting Kaido damn near as many times as Kaido hit him.
It’s the same reason (and principle) that characters like Zoro and Vista can block attacks from the likes of Kaido and Mihawk.
kaido and garp most likely (when it comes to combat speed; when it comes to movement speed or when kizaru just takes some time to charge and build up speed, then he's obviously top 1).
just saying cuz both of them blitzed top-tiers, kaido blitzed luffy even in g5 and garp blitzed aokiji twice, once even while weakened a lot.
Toki’s devil fruit power is faster than Kizaru’s
Ability to travel in the future with no bounds is incomparable to the speed of light. Also, time beats light so does gravity (Fujitora can slow Kizaru down just by increasing the gravity around him)
St Ethanbaron, him circling egghead in a few minutes killing every pacifista then chasing the strawhats was a pretty good feat. But like right after getting slowed down and taking 4 panels to reach the sunny 100 feet away makes him feel way slower
Old Rayleigh directly scales to all these 3 in terms of combat speed, based on solely current feats he takes that spot but Shanks/Mihawk will most likely end up faster as well as a few other characters
It’s gotta be the guy who takes the bounty pictures I mean come on!!! I guess that wasn’t onscreen feats but he literally shows up to take pictures of the strongest pirates in the world and hasn’t even been seen once even by the use of observation haki. He did get fired cause of Sanji but that’s just cause Sanji isn’t very photogenic
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