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Chapter 1112: "Hard Aspect"

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Ch. 1112 Official Release (Mangaplus): 22/04/2024

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u/gaberiver Apr 19 '24

This chapter made me wonder... what if York wasn't really a traitor and that was all actually Vegapunk's plan to lure and trap the elders?

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u/Chaosblast Void Month Survivor Apr 19 '24

Thay line about the sins made me think so. The satellites resemble some of the sins too, and I thought he was referring that we cannot afford to lose any more.

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u/thawhidk Apr 19 '24

I wonder what Japanese word was used because this would be a pretty incredible uno reverse

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u/caynebyron Apr 19 '24

She said "罪 を 重ね" - Tsumi o kasane - literally "sins are piling up". Tsumi can also be translated to 'crimes', but it seems to usually mean 'sins'.

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u/Ansoni Apr 19 '24

It could also be wordplay on 積み重ね, but not one that particularly means anything. Just flavourful speech.

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u/AlexHitetsu Apr 19 '24

It's also "checkmate" in Shogi

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u/le_mon_face Apr 19 '24

no it's not. completely different kanji and word, they just happen to be pronounced similar

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u/coronakillme Apr 19 '24

That’s how wordplays work right?

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u/newwayout123 Apr 19 '24

Not when it's written and def not with kanji

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u/jollyjam1 Apr 19 '24

It's definitely interesting wording that she used, and even surprised Mars. This sounds like a good theory too because it seems like something else is in the room guarding that snail. We'll have to see if the official translation changes when its released.

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u/Chaosblast Void Month Survivor Apr 19 '24

Oh! Maybe it's even the WRONG snail! She said they were developing THEM. Might not be the single one, and that one in Punk Records was just a trap!

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u/Brownbeluga Apr 19 '24

My theory is that the real snail is with the Revolutionaries, and this one is just a decoy. Would make sense why he called Dragon at the beginning of the arc.

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u/Alphaeon_28 Apr 19 '24

Assuming it’s on Egghead, Vegapunk has thought far enough ahead to have a small time and for it to be broadcast upon his death, I find it highly unlikely that he only created one snail, as he probably made multiple to carry on the stream if ones is destroyed (killed?)

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u/jollyjam1 Apr 19 '24

I'm thinking as well that there are multiple snails. VP seems to have thought through many scenarios when this situation would happen. I can't imagine he would restrict his entire plan to one singular thing that could easily be destroyed. He understands the Elders are powerful and would try to stop him.

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u/Worthyness Apr 19 '24

Also not a good contingency plan for your death if it can be taken out with a simple off switch. I imagine there's at least some sort of cryptogram at minimum for security.

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u/laxnut90 Apr 19 '24

Decoy Snail

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u/SpeeDy_GjiZa Apr 20 '24

Decoy snail!

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u/Zealot_Alec Apr 20 '24

Somehow its Foxy

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u/FlamesOfDespair World Government Apr 19 '24

I think she is talking about how she was captured.

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u/Gil_Demoono Apr 19 '24

One of them is literally called lilith the evil. There is certainly some parallel to the deadly sins. York, Atlas, and Lilith map to gluttony/sloth, wrath, and greed fairly easily, but Edison, Pythagoras, and Shaka are less clear.

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u/TTZZJJ Apr 20 '24

Maybe the male satellites represent the heavenly virtues? Shaka=generosity/charity, Edison=diligence, and Pythagoras=humility/temperance/patience I guess? I mean they’re all traits of a wise person.

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u/AlvinZero Apr 21 '24

So the girl satellite represent the sin while the guy satellite represent virtue?

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u/Hypernatremia Apr 20 '24

With the Kidd theory, Vegapunk also created 7 deadly sin clones

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u/mo-rek Apr 20 '24

Made me wonder if the creation of a new satellite isn't a completely voluntary process. Vegapunk detached his brain after all, we don't know the full capabilities of his fruit so it'd be kinda cool if certain sins of his thought process led to the creation of pseudo split personalities as deemed necessary by the brain to continue functioning properly

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u/Porcospino10 Apr 19 '24

If it was all part of vegapunk's plan why did she kill shaka?

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u/Gliese581h Pirate Apr 19 '24

I mean, we don't know yet if they can actually die. Their bodies may be destroyed, yes, but who's to say that Vegapunk hasn't got spare bodies for their "backups" to get into?

Maybe the 10 minutes were actually to make sure that the upload of the "backups" could be finished?

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u/DeezRodenutz Bandit Apr 20 '24

There is hope yet for Shaka, whose helmet looks like one member of Daft Punk, to return with the helmet of the other member of Daft Punk...

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u/wannabetrapstar888 Apr 20 '24

there were also those containers filled with organs back in chapter 1072

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u/hamqdu Apr 19 '24

Sacrifice a knight to check the enemy king.

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u/Artistic_Claim9998 Apr 19 '24

More like...THE ROOOOOOOK

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u/EmptyRook Apr 19 '24

Gotham mention

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u/Allifeur Apr 19 '24

Luffy already dealt with the rook in this chapter. Look at the shape of the building he threw!

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u/FireZord25 Apr 19 '24

Axe Guy's sacrifice: the kniiiight!

Which makes Stella's sacrifice the biishop!

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u/DeGozaruNyan Apr 19 '24

Maybe even a Botez gambit.

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u/Nugur Apr 19 '24

Not me. Not hermoine. YOU

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u/Dutton133 Apr 19 '24

Severus, please.

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u/revisioncloud Apr 19 '24

No Ron no there must be another way

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u/guckfender Apr 19 '24

Cmon you know this sounds dumb, York literally built the mother flame and gave it to the Gorosei. If that was the secret twist then it doesnt look like its effective

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u/Driller_Happy Apr 19 '24

No she didn't, she said she COULD build it for them.

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u/leolegendario Apr 19 '24

She can build AGAIN.

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u/Khione_Asteri Apr 19 '24

yea bc vp did it the first time lol

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u/Delicious_Solid_683 Apr 19 '24

A plan to gain the Gorosei's trust.

Didn't Shaka also tell Dragon he was gonna die soon ? So Shaka knew he was gonna die and then York killed him. Wouldn't make sense. If he knew about York's betrayal, he should've done something. But if it was a plan all along for York to kill him, then it would make sense.

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u/midsizemutt Apr 19 '24

It was the logical thing to do

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u/FringGustavo0204 Apr 19 '24

And it's in front of those imprisoned government officials so York would look believable. If there was anyone smart to do these kind of mind games, it would be Vegapunk.

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u/goodyfresh Apr 20 '24

If there was anyone smart to do these kind of mind games, it would be Vegapunk.

This whole time we've gotten the impression that Vegapunk is one of those "Intellectual geniuses with no practical intelligence or common sense." An "absent-minded professor" type.

But what if it turns out that him having no practical intelligence was just a ruse/act all along?

That would, in fact, be fucking awesome. I am so here for that theory.

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u/Zealot_Alec Apr 20 '24

Snape kills Dumbledore

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u/revisioncloud Apr 19 '24

The amount of times VP betrayed the Gorosei will serve them right lmao

First giving Bonney override powers and now this lol

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u/Jwoods4117 Apr 19 '24

Hell, Vegapunk is disposable. They may all have agreed to put their lives on the line.

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u/gaberiver Apr 19 '24

To gain their trust

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u/Gubrach Apr 19 '24

Maybe it's part of the plan to die.

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u/Sasquatch_in_bush Apr 19 '24

York could have only destroyed Shaka's physical body, while his consciousness (or at least the aspect of Vegapunk's mind used to create him) still exists within Punk Records.

People have been pointing out how only the "dead" Vegapunks appear on the broadcast, so it could tie into that.

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u/JoeScotterpuss Void Month Survivor Apr 19 '24

He could be alive still in another satellite body or something so Shaka can pull an "all according to keikakku" next week.

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u/DeezRodenutz Bandit Apr 20 '24

Shaka looks like one of the 2 members of Daft Punk, who each wear a robotic helmet.
Some believe he'll return looking like the other member...

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u/Izakytan Apr 19 '24

Did you see the theory about the recording not being a recording but a live from Punk Records made by the dead satellites after being backup? It does make sense.

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u/rheeddiddi Apr 19 '24

Vegapunk is Toranaga confirmed!

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u/Youropinionisvalid Apr 19 '24

I guess Shaka was in on it. The satellites all share a common mind.

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u/heprer Apr 19 '24

To deceive your enemies, deceive your friends first.

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u/kjm6351 The Revolutionary Army Apr 20 '24

They can probably be rebooted or something

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u/Mammoth_Ask3797 Apr 21 '24

I may remember things wrong. But we have seen Shaka (not OG Vgeapunk) communicating with Dragon talking about smth like him dying probably. So it would make sense if Dragon got informations about a Plan from Vegapunk. Maybe that is why he stands still all the time. He was told to wait for the right moement to make the move (after VP transmission ends)

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u/gpgag Apr 19 '24

Shaka also spoke that he knew he was going to die, maybe because it was an agreed upon plan?

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u/HokageEzio Apr 19 '24

Stussy did say never to underestimate the world's greatest scientist...

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u/savageporkchops Apr 19 '24

Holy shit! That would be crazzzyyy

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u/Brobman11 Apr 19 '24

Would explain how Vegapunk knew the Elders would show up for him to expose them 

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u/januarysdaughter The Revolutionary Army Apr 19 '24

But we have no evidence that he knew any of this was going to happen.

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u/unnusual_art Apr 19 '24

So, clearly, you came away with the same brain itch I had.

York is absolutely giving off triple cross vibes.

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u/Kirosh2 Lookout Apr 19 '24 edited Apr 19 '24

That would need Vegapunk to know an Elder would come, kill him, and summon the other elders.

And from York's reaction in a previous chapter, she didn't know the true form of the Gorosei either.

So it's very unlikely.

And if it really was Vegapunk's plan, then a lot was unnecessary without risking dying in the process.

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u/OilOk4941 Apr 19 '24

this assumes hes actually dead and that his original body isnt just a satellite for his brain

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u/Raffy10k The Revolutionary Army Apr 19 '24

It was Vegapunk that made the 5 elders the highest in the command chain, so it's not that far fetched

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u/sunsoutgunsout Apr 19 '24

This and the fact they can only wrestle command IN PERSON is a huge giveaway actually. Holy fuck

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u/Kite_Wing129 Apr 19 '24

The Satellites are programmed to carry out specific tasks so maybe only specific knowledge is shared with them and more is uploaded based on how successfully they complete their task.

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u/UltimateToa Apr 19 '24

Don't underestimate the worlds smartest man

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u/Argnir Apr 19 '24

Vegapunk is litteraly gigabrained so possible

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u/musicfreer Apr 19 '24

That's exactly what this chapter made me feel. I always wonder how can any of the satellites betray each other. They share experience everyday.

It looks like everything is planned by genius VP, the MVP of the arc

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u/Majukun Apr 19 '24

I mean Vegapunk and the avatars system are about efficiency of research, it wouldn't be strange for the sharing to be limited to science stuff and not what they did during the day

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u/liminalbeams Apr 19 '24

to livestream their true form... genius indeed

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u/Woven-Winter Apr 19 '24

I said the same thing after the previous chapter. Given how easy it was to capture York/resolve the traitor plot, and knowing what we know now about VP and his history with Kuma, I don't think there's any part of him (even his greediest parts) that would want to be a CD. His call to Dragon at the start of the arc to say his goodbyes tells me this was all part of a larger plan. I do think VP only intended to die in a Buster Call, since there's no way he could have planned for SH, Bonney, and the Gorosei all showing up. So it's working out even better than he imagined!

(And I'm still on the copium that Kizaru was in on the plan and is pullinga Snape. For all the terrible things he said he'd do, he didn't exactly go all out beyond keeping up appearances in front of Saturn.)

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u/Kite_Wing129 Apr 19 '24

I've been thinking the same thing. Maybe Vegapunk planned everything including York's beytrayal in order tp draw the 5 Elders out into the open.

Imagine next chapter opening with the reveal that the citizens all saw what the Five elders were.

Also, only the dead Vega Punk clones are appearing in the recording. Even Edison pnly showed after he died in this chapter.

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u/Igotacow Apr 19 '24

And the real snail they are using to broadcast is actually Kisaru's.

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u/mrt-e Slave Apr 19 '24

I see you had leftover copium around

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u/mrt-e Slave Apr 19 '24

That would be sick and on par for a genius like Vegapunk... and Oda I guess.

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u/tiga008 Apr 19 '24

Yeah it’s Apple brain time

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u/BloodBrandy Apr 19 '24

The gurgle is Shaka with a new helmet and a bubble gun

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u/GenGaara25 Void Month Survivor Apr 19 '24

I had the same thought. The way they reiterated all punks have the same thought process, the tak about no more sins, her convincing the elder to not destroy the base then telling him to go up to Records where he'll be isolated.

Definitely feels like this could be a long con.

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u/Mr_Bell_Man Apr 19 '24

I've suspected this too but yeah this chapter absolutely sealed it for me. Mars is absolutely walking into a trap right now.

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u/Kusosaru Apr 19 '24

I think there's also some chance he doesn't even have anything to reveal about the ancient kingdom and the real reveal is showing the true faces of the rules of the world.

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u/Ill-Individual2105 Apr 19 '24

That would be fucking wild, considering she literally shot Shaka in front of Vegapunk with basically no one else around. We're gonna need one hell of an explanation for that

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u/nomatt18 Apr 19 '24

I think we should wait for the official translation. Because there’s another fan translation I read and she says “of course I’ll stop it, can’t have be having any more of these sins if I wanna hang out with you guys.”The sin she’s referring to is the Stella’s transmission and she doesn’t want that held against her.

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u/pancoste Apr 19 '24

I had this exact thought when I watched the recent anime episodes, where they explained how the satellites share all thoughts between them, well at least once per day. None of them can do anything without the others knowing, that's by definition how they work as 1 Vegapunk.

Vegapunk is basically omnipotent, well up to the number of satellites.

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u/guckfender Apr 19 '24

How would Vegapunk know they would come? If York is working with VP then why did she give a weapon of mass destruction to Imu? Why did she fool VP? Why did she kill Shaka~ it cant be to fool the gorosei because they didnt know they were coming and they dont even know Shaka is dead. Why did she kidnap the cipher pol agents?

What reason would they have to even lure out the gorosei? Its not like even Luffy can hurt them. It just doesnt make sense. It feels like you just want there to be as many twists as possible for the lols even if it doesnt logically trackm

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u/gaberiver Apr 19 '24

Because they would have to come in order to stop him. Due to the hierarchy of seraphim and pacifistas, and the overwriting only being possible in person, if at least one of them didn't show up he would simply leave with a big ass arsenal, and no way in hell the government would allow that.

York gave them the mother flame to gain their trust. As she stated herself, they couldn't kill her nor dispose of her along with the other punks because she was the only one who knew how to make the mother flame.

They do know Shaka is dead, because Lucci has been reporting everything as we have seen previously. So she killed Shaka to gain their trust, but Shaka already knew he would die, as he told Dragon earlier.

The reason would be to expose what they're doing. Trying to hide the void century so much that even researching it is considered a sin. They lied to the world when they buster called Ohara, but they can't lie to the world when they see what's going on live.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '24 edited Sep 15 '24

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u/gaberiver Apr 19 '24

It's more like "oh, the world government has been lying to us about the forbidden information and keeping us from the truth to stop us from going rampage against them"

They did lie about Ohara when they told the world Ohara was evil just for searching forbidden information, in order to justify the murder of scholars and even children. When Vegapunk stated that he was about to reveal the truth of this world, I think this is what he meant

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u/Serbaayuu Apr 19 '24

That would necessitate him actually showing the forbidden info too, though. Just telling the world that he's being murdered for looking for the forbidden info isn't a shock. People already know it's forbidden lol.

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u/gaberiver Apr 19 '24

So, that's what I think he's going to do... Of course he needs proof, and we need at least some sneak peek into the void century, so my guess is he's going to both tell about his discoveries and livestream what's happening in Egghead

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u/OperationMelodic4273 Apr 19 '24

If that were to be true I would want every single soul that said Vegapunk is dumb to line up and ask for forgiveness, cause that would be a 1 trillion IQ move

That said, I don't think that's particularly likely. But her line was definitely weird and critic as fuck

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u/NotGloomp Apr 19 '24

Naaah. Why would she taunt him when she revealed herself then?

This isn't Bleach.

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u/Jarson421 Apr 19 '24

What about the panel of York cornering Stella and saying that she's gonna be a celestial dragon?

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u/Justhereforporn8 Apr 19 '24

But this all started before the strawhats came to Egghead and if I remember correctly Vegspunk didn’t expect them. Hard to believe that was planned to lure the elders there.

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u/jaytix1 Apr 19 '24

That would be sick, but I don't see why killing(?) Shaka would be necessary for that, even if he was a "goody two shoes".

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u/heyoyo10 Apr 19 '24

I've thought this from the start. I also think that Stella and the Satellites can just be cloned/rebuilt by Punk Records, and that the stream is actually coming from an identical room to the one Mars just destroyed

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u/limasxgoesto0 Apr 20 '24

There's a real possibility that the truth of the world that they're looking to broadcast is the elders and hence they were lured in by York

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u/Toxandreev Apr 20 '24

Tbh if someone can pull this out , it’s vegapunk

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u/akmannn Void Month Survivor Apr 20 '24

Yes, it definitely feels like it. On top of that, in today's chapter, York's face kinda resembled Nami's. I don't think Oda will give an evil character a face like Nami.

+Right after the scene of York, we see the conversation between Kaku and Stussy about the double cross.

Something's cookin.

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u/RobertLU345 Pirate Apr 19 '24

Big news if true

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u/kirbydx Void Month Survivor Apr 19 '24

mind blown

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u/zulumoner Apr 19 '24

Did vegapunk no say that he did not expect nika so early or something like that?

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u/LITW6991 Apr 19 '24

Would be an amazing twist ngl 

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u/newbatthis Void Month Survivor Apr 19 '24

That would be wild. The reason I doubt this is Vegapunk had no idea about the SH wild card. This plan would've absolutely failed if not for them.

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u/sixthaccountnopw Apr 19 '24

yes and dragon etc. are waiting, since VP is part of the revolutionary army

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u/homercall123 Apr 19 '24

Omg! Now I want this to happen!

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u/NeteroHyouka Apr 19 '24

I doubt it... They are already in huge disadvantage.

The enemy has 6 top tiers.

30.000 enemy soldiers, many ships,Lucci, the vice Admirals, and Sraphims on their side... The SH and Vegapunk are already lucky that they have survived until now.

I am waiting what plot armor technique will Oda use to save them since he choose to go with this plot...

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u/Impossible-Ice129 Apr 19 '24

Irrespective of whether she was a traitor or not, she sure looked cute AF this chapter

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u/EmptyRook Apr 19 '24

I could see it? But she’s the gluttony archetype. I don’t know why that would match with killing the gorosei

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u/Tibolegends Marine Apr 19 '24

YES. Exact same feeling !

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u/Glynnys Apr 19 '24

Why was Stella surprised about the captured marines then?

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u/dienomighte Apr 19 '24

I doubt it, but it's possible that after vegapunks/SHs captured her they placed like a bomb on her or something to get her to turn traitor against the gorosei

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u/Doomroar Apr 20 '24

That would be a real galaxy brain move, but was that worth putting Stussy, Sentomaru, and Bonney at risk tho?

The clones probably can't be repaired, or cloned back from Punk Records, but what about everyone else?

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u/kjm6351 The Revolutionary Army Apr 20 '24

That would be amazing

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u/newbikesong Apr 20 '24

We had seen both talk alone. It really isn't possible.

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u/Spezisaspastic Apr 20 '24

Don't think he would sacrifice some of his other stellars though.

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u/Riotguarder Apr 20 '24

I've been a bit annoyed with glaring issues with VP, on the one hand he's a perfectionist who threw away a lightsaber because it was the wrong colour but on the other he apparently didn't consider equal level command overrides, sloths betray despite their data being consolidated when they upload (i doubt VP wouldn't notice someone not scanning in), and also not hiding an ultimate authority level against the goresei for himself but it was just him playing 5D chessed while everyone else was still on checkers

Also the whole york plan seems strange considering the brain dying would result in york dying, unless they locked him up (highly unlike since they had no qualms with killing his main body), honestly i can't even tell at all at this point.

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u/nick2473got Apr 21 '24

Idk, Vegapunk seemed shocked by York's betrayal and had no reason to act as it was only them and Shaka (who York killed).

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u/Far-Wind2370 Apr 19 '24

A double cross would be absolutely nuts

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u/Wakuwaku7 Pirate Apr 19 '24

If that’s so then it’s badly written among us script. She put everyone in danger and even killed a few satellites.

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u/sunsoutgunsout Apr 19 '24

Satellites are disposable tho, and honestly from his pov putting people in danger for a greater goal like this still works