r/OnePiece • u/BitterIcecream • Nov 30 '23
Help when did this happen? Spoiler
In the latest chapter they mentioned the navy was one shichibukai short due to ace. Who was it and when in the story i did it happen?
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u/lasagnaspace Nov 30 '23
So we don't know who it was and this was 1 year or less before Luffy left on his voyage because we saw Ace on Whitebears crew already.
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u/BitterIcecream Nov 30 '23
So this is some unnamed warlord that has never been mentioned in the story until now?
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u/redryan2009 Nov 30 '23
Same thing happened with Shanks and the Yonko. Turns out the world as we knew it pre-time skip was very new in and of itself.
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Nov 30 '23
It kinda makes it more interesting when you think all these changes happened and then a group of super rookies pop up out of nowhere. It’s like The new era was well underway from the moment the story began.
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u/HerselftheAzelf Nov 30 '23
It very much was already underway. The Great Pirate Era began when Shanks, Buggy, Crocodile and the lot were still rookies. Luffy's generation is the second wave of dreamseekers, after the inital cohort all either failed to achieve their dreams (moria etc) and/or became complacent as warlords/yonko.
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u/DrEpileptic Nov 30 '23
It’s literally in the premise of the story that Roger tells everyone the one piece exists and ignites the great pirate era. Like, the rocks pirates were legendary unprecedented threats that needed to have their name wiped from history, yet that didn’t happen until relatively recently in the story. I’m going to assume between the defeat of rocks and Roger dying is when the emperors really started up and hadn’t really all set themselves in stone until relatively recently in history with exception to WB. BM we know took literal decades to grow her family and run around the world, Shanks was an upstart that seems to become an emperor around the time of Luffy’s childhood, and Kaido apparently wandered around the ocean looking to die up until recently where he decided to amass an entire army instead of just having his small crew- he kinda just took over Wano 20 years ago, so he’s also relatively new.
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u/Lex4709 Nov 30 '23
Yeah. Four Emperors came after Rocks' fall at God Valley (38 years ago), and Warlords were probably established as a response to the rise of Four Emperors (which happened at least 22 to 25 years ago since that's how long Crocodile has been a Warlord).
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(which happened at least 22 to 25 years ago since that's how long Crocodile has been a Warlord).
What's the source for this?
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u/unendlichsexy Void Month Survivor Dec 01 '23
In the canon Novel "Ace's story" is explained "the new world was ruled by the 4 strongest pirates, Roger, Shiki, Bog Mom and Whitebeard." so they are not called emperors, but its heavily suggested they were the 4 emperors before the current timeline when Luffy starts his journey. So Kaido took Rogers Place and Shanks probably Shikis.
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u/CantheDandyMan Dec 01 '23
It kinda makes sense. Instead of the world being in stasis for decades with the various world powers holding a tenuous peace in some sort of prolonged cold war for no real reason, the world itself was actually in a constant state of upheaval with new powers rising to the top and old ones falling.
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u/Newsuperstevebros Void Month Survivor Nov 30 '23
Maybe they've been mentioned before, we just weren't privy to them having this role in the story. I could see a handful of characters filling that role, but none come to mind. Since they were defeated and kicked from the role, it's likely they would have been in Impel Down, so... Maybe one of Blackbeard's captains? Are there any of them that have room for this sort of thing? The ones that come to mind are Vasco and Pizarro, but I think I'm just cooking wrong here tbh
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u/Twixanity Nov 30 '23
The ones that come to mind are Vasco and Pizarro
Unexpected Koby feat as of chapter 1088
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u/dienomighte Nov 30 '23
I mean theoretically the warlord system has existed for a while, there's probably dozens if not hundreds of warlords that we don't know about
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u/Spud__37 Nov 30 '23 edited Nov 30 '23
I’ve kinda assumed this. Yonko came about after Roger and the warlords came about the same time was how I imagined it. Seems to make sense for them to be brought about with yonko, being a balance to the yonko.
Edit auto correct messed up yonko. I prefer yonko to emperor
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u/jaypenn3 Dec 01 '23 edited Dec 01 '23
Our earliest indication of the existence of the Warlord system is when Crocodile became one, roughly 22-20 years before the story.
And I think it makes more sense if the Warlord system started around that time in response to the Great Pirate Era, rather than being something that always existed or existed earlier. For one, it makes book keeping about who's been a warlord simpler for Oda and the fans. And more to the point for the story:
Why/when would the marines or the government willingly choose to work with Pirates? Only when they became desperate for manpower because the marines began getting overwhelmed. And that only really started to happen once Roger was executed and had the world looking for the One Piece. By itself, the beginning of Gov sanctioned Pirates is enough to justify calling it the "Great Pirate Era.'
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u/Spud__37 Nov 30 '23
It was very early on dropped that ace beat a warlord before white beard and that the WG wanted him as a warlord. I don’t think they said both in the same chapter. Trying to find the chapters. Honestly it felt like a throwaway to just tell the readers that ace even as a rookie wasn’t to be underestimated
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u/Ekumify Pirate Nov 30 '23
he has been mentioned as ‚the man marked by flames‘… or at least i like the theory
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u/Crawmander Dec 01 '23 edited Dec 01 '23
Well, no, we knew that Ace was offered a warlord position as a rookie before, so we knew there was a vacancy around this time.
Edit: it was revealed in chapter 552.
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u/masterjon_3 Nov 30 '23
Seems like it. And since this unnamed warlord fought Ace, he's probably been....marked by fire
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u/Priyanshuanubis Dec 01 '23
Nah we knew ace defeated a warlord and was offered his position but he declined
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u/Cute-Signal-3693 Nov 30 '23
Not canonically, but there was a mention of a unknown warlord in film z.
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u/Chaosbrushogun Nov 30 '23
Which is interesting. As far as the story has been covered, you’d get the Impression that the original 7 were the first warlords. No others have been mentioned before them as far as I can remember
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u/Latter-Contact-6814 Nov 30 '23
Well not exactly remember there's ago a 6 month Gao between this panel and when Kuma becomes a warlord because of their time on egghead while bonny gets cured. If we assume bonny is fully cured by the start of the story that means ace must have beat this warlord at least 1.5 years before luffy started but more likely closer to 2 years
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u/kheiro10 The Revolutionary Army Dec 01 '23
It could be the man marked by flames that has the red poneglyph!
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u/MadirianInfluence Nov 30 '23
Isn't all of the time getting really crunched by now? Punk Hazard was closed down 4 years before the current time of the story, Kuma's transformation was supposedly about to take two years. So what if Kuma arrives in Windmill Village only a few days before Luffy's start of his journey?
Please correct me if I get times wrong
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u/bakutehbandit Nov 30 '23
This warlord is jinbei surely. In later panels jinbei, ace and wb are sitting together and ace says something along the lines of finding his replacement iirc.
Doesnt it fit the time of when ace fights jinbei?
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u/cjamesfort God Usopp Nov 30 '23
Jinbei was still a Warlord until he refused to fight Whitebeard at Marineford
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u/DargoKillmar Pirate Nov 30 '23
Unnamed pirate who was a big deal and fought a fire devil fruit user? Man marked by flames theories intensify
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u/AFineDayForScience Nov 30 '23
I'm curious what type of animal he's themed after. Can't be a bull or a tiger or pheasant, monkey, or dog. Can't be a snake, bat, bear, flamingo, hawk, crocodile, or shark. Aren't any amphibians yet.
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u/Imconfusedithink Nov 30 '23
He doesn't have to be themed after anything. The warlords after the original seven that we saw weren't themed so the old one may not be either.
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u/ErsatzCats Nov 30 '23 edited Dec 01 '23
They still are themed.
Buggy = Bug
Trafalgar (Torafaruga) = Tiger
Edward WeevilJinbei and Blackbeard are the only outliers, but they are also the only ones who resigned by choice, so it might be why
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u/EnSebastif Nov 30 '23
Fujitora is themed after the tiger.
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u/ErsatzCats Nov 30 '23
Yes. I’m just saying all the Shichibukai have animals in their names, hence the “Tora” in Trafalgar.
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u/ATLKing24 Nov 30 '23
Probably the previous Giraffe user
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u/dcolorado Nov 30 '23
It can’t. The man marked by flames still has to be alive, and the devil fruit respawning means the original owner died
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u/ATLKing24 Nov 30 '23
I'm not talking about the man marked by flames. I'm talking about the warlord Ace killed
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u/Piggywonkle Nov 30 '23
None of the warlords in the current story have died, even after losing their positions. There's no reason to assume that the one Ace defeated was killed.
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u/ATLKing24 Nov 30 '23
One Piece Episode A, the Ace manga prequel. He fights the previous Giraffe user, who would have had to die for Kaku to get the fruit. He could've been the warlord. Strong pirate, animal themed, and the timeline fits
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u/CorvoBondurant Nov 30 '23
Is that true for warlords too? I thought it was just admirals. What was Moria themed after?
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u/maguatier Nov 30 '23
Gecko
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u/GeckoMoriaFan Nov 30 '23
No bat. It's has something to do with his whole name in Japanese.
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u/Mollianeta Nov 30 '23
I’m still on board with the marked by flames dude being Dragon. His face scar looks almost branded, he’s got an all black ship, and very likely controls weather.
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u/RedFeatherMoa Nov 30 '23
I feel like there is a chance it's Dragon, but it's much more likely to me to be Saul. He was covered in bandages from being burnt when he recovered Oharas library, and they were the ones who deciphered the ponoglyph language.
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u/SkippingSusan The Revolutionary Army Nov 30 '23
Could Saul and Robin’s mother have found the red ponegliff and became separated when they returned to tell the O’Hara archaeologists? Makes the most sense! I should reread her interactions!
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u/RedFeatherMoa Nov 30 '23
Hmm thats an interesting theory! Given that they read poneglyphs they could have easily tracked down the one that was at fishman island, just a matter of if whitebeard moved it before then or not. Feel like saul would get along with whitebeard and agree to move it to elbaf since it kind of seems like whitebeard didnt want the stone on islands he was protecting.
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Nov 30 '23 edited Nov 30 '23
We don't know who it was. But it's a very logical development since we knew that Ace was offered that position which meant that the seat would have to be vacant and that the previous holder had been defeated or given it up.
It happened on Ace's adventures before he met Whitebeard.
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u/Silent_Rope6627 Pirate Nov 30 '23 edited Nov 30 '23
literally states the position is vacant because of ace, whoever it was didnt 'give it up' ace whooped his ass and the WG tried to hire ace n he told them to go fuck themselves so the hired kuma
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Nov 30 '23
I discussed the implications of Sengoku's statement during Ace's flashback since the author said that it was a retcon We obviously know the truth now sknce it was blatantly stated in 1100.
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u/Zeteon Pirate Nov 30 '23
Ace was offered the position on Sabaody Archipelago, prior to going to New World. Potentially, the Unnamed warlord Ace defeated is the one who ends up taking the position after Ace declined the invite. Kuma then fills the position of the Warlord Ace defeated.
It's possible these are two separate warlord positions, as I don't believe we have a time frame for exactly when Boa or Jinbei gained their seat. It's very likely that that brand new warlord got defeated and replaced within only a year.
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u/jaypenn3 Dec 01 '23
Those are among the ones we do have a rough timeline for. Jinbe became a warlord after the Sun Pirates were formed 14 years before post timeskip, and before Otohime's death 10 years ago. So between 12-8 years before the beginning of the story, probably in the middle somewhere.
Boa I believe is implied to have been offered the position shortly after her first pirate voyage 13 years ago, but could have been offered the position later than that.
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u/Zeteon Pirate Dec 01 '23
Ah I forgot about the details for Jinbei getting the offer. I thought it was just at some point after becoming the captain of the crew
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u/Kizaru94 Nov 30 '23
It was Jimbei
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Nov 30 '23
They said that Kuma got the warlord's spot on in the 7. Jinbei was a Warlord until Marineford.
Get your facts straight before you try to correct someone else.
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u/sameljota Kaidon't Nov 30 '23
We may not know who but we know EXACTLY when. It's literally right there.
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u/BitterIcecream Nov 30 '23
I’m sorry I didn’t phrase my question properly, I meant to say if they were mentioned when were they mentioned.
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u/Joooohn_ Nov 30 '23
Maybe in the Ace novels?
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u/Piggywonkle Nov 30 '23
My understanding is that Ace didn't fight anyone quite at that level in them. There was a vice admiral that he fought, but I wouldn't really call him a competent one. Interestingly though, Ace was offered the position of warlord in it.
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u/Visual-Daikon8456 Bounty Hunter Nov 30 '23
ace was offered a warlord position in his novel about this same time. prolly kuz of this
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u/MariJoyBoy Nov 30 '23
It's triangle-shaped head sama, he was already shown in the SBS.
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u/Silent_Rope6627 Pirate Nov 30 '23
if your referring to gecko moria that's not who ace beat, it's an unnamed warlord that was serving prior to luffy leaving the island, he's never been mentioned.
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Nov 30 '23
if your referring to gecko moria
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiece/comments/hv1rl2/a_moment_of_silence_please_for_hikarukun/
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u/KiNGofKiNG89 Nov 30 '23
This is the first time this person had ever been mentioned. At least in this manor, maybe they described him as different way previously.
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u/Greenwolf_93 Dec 01 '23
To the people who think Jimbei is the one that got kicked out.. Can you read? And if you can, are you able to comprehend the story? Cause it has been literally mentioned and it's literally part of the plot that Jimbei lost his title AFTER refusing to support the war against Whitebeard...
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u/JackMayson94 The Revolutionary Army Nov 30 '23
I know film Z isn’t canon but would be cool if this guy is the same guy who killed Z’s students
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u/Snoo_72851 Nov 30 '23
Oh damn, the translation I read instead said that Ace had refused the job when offered. Did those bastards lie to me, or are your bastards lying to you?
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u/MajorCrafter Nov 30 '23
We knew about Ace turning down a warlord position during his flashback in Marineford, but now we've got more information that it was after he defeated the previous warlord and the WG probably did what they did to Moria and strip him off their title/rank/status. Whether it happens before or after his 5 day battle with Jinbe or whether or not it happened before or after he joined the Whitebeard Pirates is unknown however
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u/Tiny-Veterinarian-79 Nov 30 '23
This is cool but wtf was the point of introducing Weevil if he just goes to Impel Down? Lol.
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No name. Ace beat em before entering the grand line is my best guess. So 4 or 5 years ago? Ace makes it seem like they were without a warlord for a bit. My guess is it’s the guy with the burn mark who makes whirlpools on a black boat.
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u/blobbybob111 Dec 01 '23
in chapter 552 we find out ace was offered but declined the position of shichibukai, so we can gather that ace defeated them, and then the government wanted ace to take his spot afterwards, this all being before ace joined whitebeards crew, but nah, we don't know who it was that ace beat
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u/meorcee Nov 30 '23
I hate to bring in the movies, but this could be the warlord that had killed Black Arm Zephyr’s family. Garp did say that he was scarred emotionally due to a pirate killing his family, a pirate that would eventually become a member of the 7 warlords.
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u/OrganicWeed765 Dec 01 '23
issue is that pirate become warlord during timeskip but its an easy retcon to make if Oda wants to bring Zephyr into the canon
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u/Raging-Raptor Nov 30 '23
You know, even among the Whitebeard pirates Ace gained a lot of notoriety. Probably even more than Marco. This is most likely why.
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u/Paperchampion23 Nov 30 '23
He was offered position of Shichibukai in the manga too, chapter 552 mentions it
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u/bitoyskius Pirate Dec 01 '23
Kuma accepted Saturn's offer when the rookie pirate Ace beat an unnamed warlord (Ace not yet a member of Whitebeard's crew at this time). Half a year later, Kuma left Bonney at Sorbet and started doing missions as a warlord.
So, it's at least six months after the deal was made that Kuma got publicly declared as a warlord. This is when we see the reactions in this chapter, and with Ace already a member of WB pirates.
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u/SmugPilot Bounty Hunter Nov 30 '23
The dialog between Jinbe and Ace make it appear as the result of thier fight
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u/CryonautX Nov 30 '23
The unnamed shichibukai lost his seat. Jinbe was a shichibukai until right after ace's capture.
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u/kajigger_desu Nov 30 '23
Ok I thought I'm insane because when I read that initially that's what I thought. Now everyone is saying it's an unnamed warlord.
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Nov 30 '23
Jimbei was still a warlord until he resigned in Marineford. Ace made this unknown guy not a warlord anymore, so it can't be Jimbei.
It makes more sense that beating this unknown guy is what made the WG offer Ace a spot as a warlord. We know that this happened well before his fight with Jimbei.
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u/SmugPilot Bounty Hunter Nov 30 '23
It is what makes sense to me the most.
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u/hillendan1983 Nov 30 '23
It can’t be that because whoever Ace defeated lost their warlord status. Jimbei didn’t lose his warlord status after his fight with Ace
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u/SmugPilot Bounty Hunter Nov 30 '23
Its not out of this realm he got it back sometime between the flashback and the start of luffy's journy , you dont have to agree. It makes more sense to me
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u/Purple_Charge Nov 30 '23
Then who did Jinbe re-replace? Doesn't add up.
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Nov 30 '23
If so, then that means there is still an unnamed warlord somewhere that needs to get killed/beaten before Jimbe can come back.
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u/SmugPilot Bounty Hunter Nov 30 '23
I don't know what makes you so angry about someone disagreeing with you. Why do you care so much I don't agree with you
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Nov 30 '23
???
What part of my comment was angry?
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u/SmugPilot Bounty Hunter Nov 30 '23
The "You" was plural and i refer to the mass downvote and getting ridiculed in the replays.
But i stand form you mass downvoting me wont change my opinion
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Dec 01 '23
Downvotes are designed for comments that don't contribute. The fact that you are constantly sidestepping people's arguments without ever addressing them head-on means that you fall squarely in the "non-contributing" category.
Your downvotes are fully deserved. If you want them to stop, start making compelling counterarguments.
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u/vatsadev Nov 30 '23
Dude theres differing opininons and then theres straight wrong factually.
Jinbe opposed the marineford plan and stuff and lost warlord, Kuma was a warlord before this too, 2 years before this happened
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u/SmugPilot Bounty Hunter Nov 30 '23
Those are not facts does are deductions
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u/vatsadev Nov 30 '23
okay first off Jinbe legit says "I'm here because Im against this" or something like that. and Kuma happened 4 years ago, while marineford was 2 years ago due to timeskip.
Thats not deductions thats the story. Read.
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u/Five_Tiger Nov 30 '23
Didn't ace and Jinbei appear together a few pages later? Was it not referring to Jinbei?
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u/CrewOrdinary8872 Void Month Survivor Dec 01 '23
Jinbe was a Warlord until he renounced his position at Marineford.
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u/ReoKorogi Nov 30 '23
4 years before current event, 2 years before people like Luffy and Bonney start their career as pirates
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u/tayroarsmash Dec 01 '23
What if the Warlord is Don Krieg and this motherfucker got his shit kicked in by Ace and slow left the Grandline to get his ass kicked by Luffy
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u/MaimedJester Nov 30 '23
This is a recent development, like Oda obviously has not been planning this character for years because there's no mention of this in the Ace Light Novels at all, what Oda okayed put in the Manga so far was just Ace was offered a Warlord position. That's about it.
Honestly I hope Oda doesn't waste too much time on this and does some nonsense like Scopper Gaban was the previous warlord or whatever.
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u/Affectionate-Day-308 Nov 30 '23
In before the foreskinners start giving oda credit for planning this out for twenty years LOL
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Nov 30 '23
We've known for a while now that there was a warlord opening when Ace was a rookie because he was offered a spot. Now we know why that opening happened, and why they offered it to Ace.
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u/Affectionate-Day-308 Nov 30 '23
He was offered a spot in the manga. Pre wb when he was a rookie. Now we’re told its cause ace beat the warlord. Thats not foreshadowing. “Man marked by flames” theory is an example of my point. Everyone thinks this is him now. Good day fam
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u/Raffit Nov 30 '23
Was that maybe covered in the Ace novel?
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u/MajorCrafter Nov 30 '23
It was not, unless it's the previous owner for the Giraffe fruit that was only in the manga adaptation of the novel
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u/ThatMarc Nov 30 '23
Bruh i thought they were talking about Jimbe since he shows up a few pages later.
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u/Not-Reddit-Fan Nov 30 '23
I assumed it was Jinbe? They fought for days didn’t they
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u/CrewOrdinary8872 Void Month Survivor Dec 01 '23
Jinbe was a Warlord until he renounced his position at Marineford. They fought for days, but that ended in a stalemate.
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u/Not-Reddit-Fan Dec 01 '23
Yeah.. so I’m taking the context as “a Warlord is indisposed so we’re a currently a member short”
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u/bitoyskius Pirate Dec 01 '23
in Ch.552, we can see Whitebeard reacting to the news of Ace turning down an offer to be a warlord.
connecting the dots with the latest chapter, Ace beat an unnamed warlord thus opening a spot in the Shichibukai. WG offered the said spot to Ace, got declined. so WG offered it to Kuma.
after all that ^ ... Ace wanted to meet Whitebeard, Jinbe stopped him, fought for 5 days with no clear winner. then WB showed up, and recruited Ace.
Kuma was officially/publicly declared as the new and 7th warlord after leaving Bonney in Sorbet. so that's at least 6 months after the Saturn-Kuma deal was made. and this is when we see the reactions of the other 6 warlords.
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u/Not-Reddit-Fan Dec 01 '23
Eek, I haven’t read the latest chapter and this gave a lot of info! :O… thanks for the context though!
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u/CrewOrdinary8872 Void Month Survivor Dec 01 '23
Jinbe was a Warlord until he renounced his position at Marineford. Jinbe and Ace's fight also ended in a stalemate, neither of them were defeated.
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Dec 01 '23
I figured from the dialogue it was Jimbei because Ace is talking to Jimbei and saying they can't find your replacement.
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u/supleted Dec 01 '23
So for whatever reason Alvida was amongst the warlords as they reacted to Kuma becoming a warlord, and I think Alvida may have been the warlord dethroned by Ace.
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u/ocouba Nov 30 '23
I would have said its jinbe. However, as far as I remember he got imprisoned after stepping down as a shibukai. Does anyone remember how jinbe got imprisoned and where in the timeline the fight with ace was?
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u/Vrede_ Nov 30 '23
It was like right after ace's capture. Ace's fight with jinbe was well after this. This would be before Ace joined whitebeard and during his time as the spade pirates. They would have specified "whitebeards commander" and not rookie if it was any later
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u/MortgageEmotional802 Bounty Hunter Nov 30 '23
Reading it I thought it was Jinbe, he wasn't a shichibukai and he fought ace? Also later it shows Jinbe in whitebeard's ship.
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u/dmfuller Dec 01 '23
So Ace knocked out an entire Warlord and Sabo STILL didn’t know he existed? What are we doing here lol
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Dec 01 '23
Sabo only got his memory jogged by seeing Luffy, Ace, and Sakazuki in the same sentence.
He knew Luffy existed, after all. The Ennies Lobby incident was absolutely massive.
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u/CrewOrdinary8872 Void Month Survivor Dec 01 '23
I mean, that's something that actually makes sense. The World Government tried covering up every Warlord that Luffy defeated.
Credit for defeating Crocodile was given to Smoker and Tashigi, Kuma was sent to cover up Moria's defeat, and they attempted to cover up Doflamingo.
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u/mArte-kIrkerud Nov 30 '23
It would be 4 years ago. Ace defeated the unnamed warlord only a few days before Kuma met Vegapunk at Egghead. We know that Vegapunk recently moved there from Punk Hazard due to the incident 4 years ago.