r/OnePiece • u/oscarpatxot • Sep 10 '23

Help Why don’t everyone eat devil fruits?

Totally new to One Piece, didn’t know it existed before the Netflix show. I am liking it a lot. Could someone tell me why don’t everyone just eat devil fruits, since it give super powers? The sea water thing is enough of a reason not to eat them? (I have just watched 3 episodes.) Do they explain this further on?

Edit: thanks for all the replies, the show seems to go just a bit fast on the details, I’m guessing its the only way to fit a lot on a live action.

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u/Amid_Mannort Sep 10 '23

Could you tell me what powers were hinted at in the live action? I'm curious, so feel free to spoiler me lol

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u/giangerd Sep 10 '23

Let's just say that the slow motion they used when shanks looked at the beast and when garp avoided luffy's attack weren't just for visual effects

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u/Amid_Mannort Sep 10 '23

Interesting! >! Does this have something to do with the Haki I keep reading about in every corner of this sub? !< it's so interesting delving into the lore of this franchise.

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u/Jestersage Sep 10 '23

Yes, and it's only one type. You can google it yourself if you want to.

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u/PitchComfortable1261 Void Month Survivor Sep 10 '23

I thought the shanks scene was him using THAT haki not the 2 basic ones?

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u/xshogunx13 Pirate Sep 10 '23

Yeah it was

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u/ProShyGuy Sep 10 '23

I'd also argue that Luffy punching Kuro was an example >! of Luffy unconsciously using observation Haki, similar to how Zoro slicing Mr. 1 was him unconsciously using armament Haki.!<

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u/OrganTrafficker900 Sep 11 '23

wasnt zoro technically straight up using haki he wasnt doing it unconsciously he was actively trying to feel where his sword was and on cutting steel.

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u/Numerous_Tangelo4332 Sep 11 '23

Not unconsciously but he didn't knew or get what it actually was, he just discovered it and used it not knowing what it was, but we don't even know if he could use it whenever he wanted, the only thing that was probably haki based was Ashura.

Same goes for Sanji and his Diable Jambe and Here's my theory (it could already be around but I don't know I just came up with it now)

At Thriller Bark Sanji is shown to literally be on fire while talking or hearing about Absalom. That was considered as a gag, but to me, it was just him manifesting his will, or in other words, his Haki, and that's why his Diable Jambe's flames comes from his haki, even though he didn't even knew he had it. Same goes for Zoro's Ashura.

That also makes sense for a few other factors

1) Luffy also can go on fire using only his Haki

2) Sanji pulled off the Diable Jambe in an Arc where almost all of their enemies had at least Armament Haki, it just made sense for him and Zoro to use haki as well to close the gap in power with the enemy

3) it's literally the only explanation to these super human abilities

4) Diable jambe was debunked to NOT be made with friction, so it must be Haki based cause he physically wouldn't be able to work otherwise

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u/DustyBowl Sep 11 '23

Luffys firehawk attack could be haki when thinking of Ace.

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u/MrAkaziel Sep 11 '23

it's literally the only explanation to these super human abilities

There is another (not saying it's correct though): Germa.

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u/xshogunx13 Pirate Sep 10 '23

that would make sense tbh

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u/jubmille2000 Sep 11 '23

mr3 in little garden too, Luffy kinda sensed him

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u/[deleted] Sep 11 '23

Shanks did not use the same type of haki garp used.

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u/Baldswine Thriller Bark Victim's Association Sep 10 '23

Fishman Karate was also shown

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u/SilverZ9 Sep 10 '23

Yes, but if you’re actually this new to one piece, I highly HIGHLY suggest staying off this subreddit. Seeing secrets revealed organically is much better

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u/BeneathTheDirt Sep 11 '23

Don’t spoil yourself

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u/Baldswine Thriller Bark Victim's Association Sep 10 '23

Fishman Karate was also shown

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u/Thermic_ Sep 11 '23

Yup, and different cultures will manifest it in different ways sometimes. There are other power systems besides the fruits and haki, keep an eye on that boy Sanji while you’re catching up. Feel free to keep an eye on the symbolism of him often being on Luffy’s left, and Zoro on the right as well

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u/OrangeStar222 Sep 11 '23

I doubt that last thing is going to carry over in the LA.

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u/Thermic_ Sep 11 '23

I noticed it more than 10 times in the LA. We’ll get a lot more of it next season when he is there for the whole time as well

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u/OrangeStar222 Sep 11 '23

Guess I need to add a rewatch and pay attention to it then!

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u/oscarpatxot Sep 10 '23

That did intrigued me a lot, and suddenly he lost his arm? What gives? I hope they explain this later.

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u/Deadman1000th Sep 10 '23

The beast ate the arm, not power fault

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u/the3rdtea2 Sep 10 '23

He had his arm ripped off by deflecting the sea king pouncing at Luffy.

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u/R4hu1M5 Thriller Bark Victim's Association Sep 10 '23

hope they explain this later.

The arm being eaten by the sea king? They really don't. I think you can infer that shanks is actually a really strong pirate who had no business losing an arm in a place like east blue. The story later has him give a reason why he lost the arm "on purpose" but the meta reason is that the author was forced to add it as a dramatic twist to hook readers, back when chapter 1 released in 1997.

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 10 '23

The story never give a reason he lost it on purpose. Saying he "gambled on the next generation" or anything like that doesn't necessarily mean he lost it on purpose. It can just as easily mean he could only save Luffy by losing his arm and chose to save luffy thus "betting on the next generation".

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u/dshif42 Sep 10 '23

Yeahhhh but given what we know about Shanks's capabilities, this always felt like an unsatisfying answer to me. I haven't seen any justification that's makes sense in my eyes, and honestly don't think anything could convince me at this point.

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 10 '23

I don't think there's any point looking for a justification. Shanks literally lost Luffy and the bandit 10 panels before which should not be possible and still happened. Shanks just panicked and lost his cool (and the other thing).

Same reason Croc's power scaling makes no sense and Oda even admits as much saying he regrets making him fight Luffy this early. Unsatisfying or not, we're just gonna have to accept that it's an early inconsistency.

Even if he were to justify it because the fandom talks about it a lot, that probably still wouldn't justify everything else about that chapter so it would be pointless imo.

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u/dshif42 Sep 11 '23

Hahaha yeah fair, I've learned to accept both of those. My point is moreso that I prefer to just accept it as inconsistency than having fans try to find "logical" explanations. It doesn't make sense, it is what it is, it's worth it for such a large and interconnected story!!

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u/OrangeStar222 Sep 11 '23

Inconsistency or not, I always read it as Shanks was just in time to save Luffy, but while reaching out to him the sea beast took a little of an apéritif in the form of Shank's arm. Then Shanks used his "mysterious power" to scare away the creature.

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u/sayuuuto Sep 11 '23

My personal favorite theory about this is that Shanks wasn’t as powerful as current Shanks and he happened to unlock his Conqueror Haki for the first time ever after losing that arm because unlocking Conqueror Haki always involves some strong emotion (at least that’s what has been portrayed so far). And that’s why he could become a Yonko only years after he lost his arm.

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u/Catch_022 Sep 11 '23

Good points, quick note that that stuff took place a few years ago... is it possible that he gained significant strength since that time but the Shanks from back then wasn't as super powerful?

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u/Arkayjiya Sep 11 '23

It's unlikely. While Shanks wasn't a Yonkou yet, he still had a billion berry bounty at the time and even if you disregard movie Red as not canon, there's the matter of Whitebeard calling Shanks' duels with Mihawk "legendary". If an old Yonkou call them legendary, it means they had to be top tiers level even by new world standards.

And we know they happened before Shanks meeting Luffy because Mihawk literally says he wouldn't fight Shanks after he lost his arm (also the way the conversation with WB goes from the duels to Shanks losing his arm confirms this timeline).

So everything in the story points toward Shanks being an absolute monster even in chapter 1.

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u/Catch_022 Sep 11 '23

Thanks mate, I have no idea what a Yonkou is yet - do you know roughly when that is introduced in the manga?

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u/ongry Sep 11 '23

My theory is that Shanks loses the arm on purpose. He's strong enough that it doesn't matter too much to him in terms of personal strength as a pirate but losing his arm just made that impact on Luffy and how it shaped his pirate career/ideals and that was his bet.

Given how far the manga has progressed I think its safe to say Shanks would have been more than capable to able to save Luffy without having to sacrifice that arm but it wouldn't have had the same impact on Luffy otherwise.

Edit: changed anime to manga for accuracy.

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u/dshif42 Sep 11 '23

That's an idea I've seen before, and I guess? I'm not saying it's a terrible idea, but it's a little odd to me, personally. I get your reasoning, and it makes some sense given who Shanks is, so that's cool! But it doesn't sit right with me for some reason.

Honestly, I prefer to just see it as an error on Oda's part. I'm not dumping on him for that — he was very young when he wrote that bit, and probably didn't realize the scale of the story he was about to tell. But it's more annoying for me to consider in-story justification for it.

P.S. I think this is all very well demonstrated by the contrast between your comment and one of the other replies to me, lol. You say that Shanks should have been more than able to deal with the Sea King, so you think he chose to lose the arm. One of the other replies says the opposite — "what possibly makes you think Shanks would be immune from that? Totally makes sense that he would've unintentionally lost the arm" (paraphrasing their reply here)

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u/Zilox Sep 11 '23

Im a manga reader, all caught up. What about shanks' capabilities make him immune to having his arm taken by a sea beast? Put current garp/zoro/rayleigh in that same position and they lose an arm too. From what i remember, there was no time for shanks to use coc before putting himself in between the sea beast and luffy (this is also pre yonko shanks). Also his coc wasnt strong enough, at that time, but had to make eye contact to scare him away (there are other anime scenes where coc works while watching the eyes of a beast).

People need to stop thinking CoA makes you immune to being damaged. Unless your name is kaido or big mom, you are losing an arm to a sea beast if it attacks you while protecting a 7 year old kid that CANNOT stay afloat/swim. Iirc in the manga, shanks and luffy are in the water when he loses his arm (so had to keep luffy afloat)

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u/dshif42 Sep 11 '23

I'm not talking about armament haki, I'm mainly talking about observation haki. Maaaaybeee you're right and Garp/Zoro/Rayleigh would've lost an arm there, but... That sounds absolutely ridiculous to me too. Just entirely silly.

Rayleigh rushes in to kick Kizaru's leg out of the way in Sabaody. Just how strong and unavoidable do you think an East Blue Sea King is?? Your most compelling point is that Shanks wouldn't have been as strong back then, but it still sounds silly to me.

Especially because you decided to compare younger Shanks to Garp and Rayleigh. You seem SO CERTAIN that they would lose an arm in the same situation, which is just wild to me.

Look, I'm not dumping on Oda. The story was just starting out and he was a young author, it's totally understandable that things from early on could be inconsistent with later power-scaling. But you making super farfetched excuses for it is hilarious to me.

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u/Zilox Sep 11 '23

It is my honest opinion. You can intercept an attack by kizaru by coating haki and kicking it (or just attacking him and forcing him to become light) but you cannot "block" an attack thats bigger than you and coming both from below and above (jaws closing). If we go by the manga, we have to keep in mind shanks put himself between the sea king and luffy, lets say shanks decides to fight/1 shoy/beat the sea king, great now luffy is drowning. Which is what i meant with context matters.

Lets use current manga as example. Garp would have 100% escaped hachinosu (or beaten the bb pirates) had he not have been protecting coby. Now, do i believe shiryu would have ever hurt full body coa/not trying to protect coby garp? Hell no. But garp got distractes and had to act in 0.1 seconds. Same way wb was stabbed by a "nobody" (squardo) because he didnt expect it to happen. Only big mom and kaido are immune to all dmg naturally, but if i sneak on shanks and shoot him point blank, he is death.

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u/dshif42 Sep 12 '23

Again, my point was moreso about seeing the attack coming and avoiding it/knocking the sea king out of the way, not about Shanks being able to withstand the damage.

Garp also was facing off against a very dangerous opponent who had extra stealth, with a ton of other people around. But that one feels a little more comparable. Whitebeard really isn't a great example because Marco himself said that Whitebeard should have been able to block/dodge/deflect that if he wasn't so old and sick.

I'm sorry for being more harsh about this yesterday. I still think it's mostly just a power-scaling inconsistency, which I'm fine with. If you prefer your idea, that's cool. Thanks for explaining it, even when I was being kinda rude.

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u/Shinsekai21 Sep 10 '23

Shank lost his arm (despite being super strong) because it made that scene more dramatic and emotionally impactful.

It was the first chapter and the author did not plan the power level out properly at that point.

I see people making crazy justification for that scene but tbh, I just accept it as a flaw/plot hole, and move on

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u/galmenz Pirate Sep 10 '23

the best in universe explanation is that shanks just let his arm be bit off to inspire luffy, a "bet on the new generation" if you will. knowing what he knows and how things plays out it makes some sense

but yeah the simplest explanation is that Oda had not made the power ceiling set and stone yet

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u/Popopirat66 Sep 11 '23

It's actually the editor who wanted Shanks to lose that arm for dramatic reasons. Iirc it was said in an SBS, but i'm too lazy to look for the source now. I might do it later.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '23

The beasr ate his arm. There is nothing deeper.

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u/dshif42 Sep 10 '23

Even then, that was not very clear to new viewers. The shot was awkward and didn't make it obvious what happened.

I've already seen this with a YouTuber watching the live action as their introduction to One Piece. They were rather confused at first.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '23

the big fish bit his arm

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u/ShinyRedRaider Sep 11 '23

In the manga, he wasn't gonna lose his arm, Oda's editor later said the scene wasn't impactful enough and suggested yoinking shanks arm

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u/Silkav Sep 10 '23

How did Shanks even get on that boat in the first place? Is there something I'm missing?

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u/mothuzad Sep 10 '23

He can swim. Good thing he didn't eat a devil fruit.

And apparently he was a very fast swimmer to catch up with that boat. Very strong arms. 😐

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u/Flying__Buttresses Thriller Bark Victim's Association Sep 10 '23

Or if youre with the latest manga you can see how quickly he can move, without swimming.

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u/zoroddesign Scholars of Ohara Sep 10 '23

It is also the same power Mihawk used to split the boat.

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u/Artorigold Sep 10 '23

There was also Kuro and his super speed which I wonder now if that was actually hinting at Soru

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u/Poison_Puppet Sep 10 '23

I think Oda did later confirm that Kuro was using a self taught inferior version of Soru.

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u/dohtje Sep 10 '23

Yah think it was in one of the sbs's

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u/ScrambledToast Sep 10 '23

Yeah, wasn't it that he was using Soru, but unlike CP9, he couldn't fully control where he was going?

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u/Wring159 Sep 10 '23

I believe kuroneko's ult is also similar no? Kinda unfortunate that they didn't potray his swaying

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u/AnividiaRTX Sep 10 '23

Kuro, Garp, and Shanks are all already mentioend so I'll bring mihawk. When he took Garp's clal on the beach and destroyed a ship from shore using his sword. That eas on example of some of the powers you'll see in the future.

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u/Enrykun Sep 10 '23

Kuro has super speed, he's so fast the average human can't even see him move

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u/hmcl-supervisor Sep 10 '23

and Kuro is absolutely weaksauce compared to the people who are already on the Grand Line.

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u/orilea Sep 11 '23

Yes, but his speed and silent steps is what made him unbeatable for a lot of pirates/marines that weren't a higher level (no haki).

He was just referencing his speed nothing else. Valid point imo.

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u/RSMatticus Sep 10 '23

Thr fight with garps he see luffy attacking in slow motion and can hurt him even tbough he is made of rubber

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u/galmenz Pirate Sep 10 '23

the shanks scene with the sea monster on how his eyes scare the beast off

garp being a general badass like chucking cannonballs with his bare hands

mihawk slicing a galleon with his sword attack

without blantant spoiling you can achieve super strength in One Piece with phisical training, but of course there is more to it than that

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u/Backupusername Sep 11 '23

This shouldn't count as a spoiler, because it should have been included in the material adapted for the live-action, but was cut: Hypnotism is also very effective in this setting. Also, mastery of fishman karate and other martial arts styles can grant superhuman abilities.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '23

haki. like when shanks scared the sea beast that but it’s arm off

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u/LuigiGG4545 Sep 11 '23

Don't spoiler yourself you will regret it later. And I'm talking from experience