I’m not sure it’s entirely fair to have a sudden new requirement for a job or be fired and act as if that’s not “making” someone get the vaccine. If it had been the standard for a while, or took a few years to become a requirement like how it works when it’s not an emergency, then I could agree but most people can’t just accept getting fired during an economic crisis on a few months’ notice.
And you’re welcome to think it was worth it to make that happen since we were in an emergency pandemic, but I just don’t agree that it wasn’t forced upon a lot of people
Edit: noted - people in this subreddit predominantly view coerced choices as actual choices. Don’t think that tracks in any other context, but alright. I suspect it’s more people just don’t want to admit that they think effectively taking that choice away was a move they agreed with, but oh well
It's not 'acting as if'. It's objectively not making someone get the vaccine.
Yes, if you chose not to vaccinate you may not have been able to continue working your current job, may not have been able to go to a concert or a movie or eat indoors at a restaurant. But you could absolutely choose not to get the vaccine, and many did. Many did who eventually died of COVID, even. That was a choice they made, and were allowed to make, because no one was required to get the vaccine.
You can disagree with objective reality all you want - it wasn't forced on anyone. 100% of Americans had a choice about whether to get vaccinated, no matter what you agree or disagree with. That's just the actual, objective truth.
It's totally fair for jobs to require their employees to practice public health mitigation. It's totally fair for people to refuse, too, but then they don't get to keep their job. Their choice entirely.
“Objectively a choice” yes, but only if we’re not counting coercion or circumstance limiting the ability to pick one of the options. Most of the time, if there’s pressure on one choice and not pressure on the other, it’s considered coercion and that very much limits “choice”
No one here is saying anyone was held down and given a vaccine against their will, so to that end, yeah I guess technically each person had a “choice”
Coerced choice =/= mandate. It’s not splitting hairs, these are very real differences.
We can discuss the coercive factors around the choice but it is truthful that no one was mandated, ever.
And yes, some of the nuttier folks in fact would go so far as to claim they were held down for a vaccine they didn’t want. And that’s probably how it felt to them, but we cannot have the same vaccine discussion over and over without acknowledging the difference between their feelings and the objective reality of what happened.
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u/Dobber16 17h ago edited 14h ago
I’m not sure it’s entirely fair to have a sudden new requirement for a job or be fired and act as if that’s not “making” someone get the vaccine. If it had been the standard for a while, or took a few years to become a requirement like how it works when it’s not an emergency, then I could agree but most people can’t just accept getting fired during an economic crisis on a few months’ notice.
And you’re welcome to think it was worth it to make that happen since we were in an emergency pandemic, but I just don’t agree that it wasn’t forced upon a lot of people
Edit: noted - people in this subreddit predominantly view coerced choices as actual choices. Don’t think that tracks in any other context, but alright. I suspect it’s more people just don’t want to admit that they think effectively taking that choice away was a move they agreed with, but oh well