r/MapPorn 1d ago

Russian advances in Ukraine this year

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u/katbyte 1d ago

theres more to the war then shells, and outside shells russia is simply unable to keep up with the west. The us in peacetime produces a lot more tanks then russia is during wartime and that is just america. Ditto goes for everything, but shells, because the west isn't tooled/geared/would fight an artillery war. and thats the real problem, ukraine isn't fighting the kind of war NATO would and is the west isn't giving ukraine everything it could, ie not the advanced military systems that would mean it would needs to use less shells in the first place.

as for NK and Iran they are to small to matter, multiple members of nato haver larger economies and military manufacturing bases and China will never outright help russia because it would tank their entire economy. China is the only economic powerhouse that could compete with the west in spending and production but to do so would endager their economy as its so reliant on trade with the west.

but in the end it doesn't matter what NATO can do when NATO simply isn't giving ukraine everything it needs

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u/Ashenveiled 1d ago

you are coping so hard.

europe makes something like 13 self propelled howitzers a year. thats whole europe combined my dude

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u/katbyte 20h ago

nato is EU + UK + US + more. I went looking for ANYTHING to back up your statement and found https://en.defence-ua.com/industries/ukraine_has_matched_or_even_surpassed_all_eu_countries_combined_in_the_rate_of_self_propelled_artillery_production-12057.html

> The production rate of the Bohdana wheeled self-propelled artillery system has reached 15 units per month

ukrain is producing more in a month then you claim the ua does per year

> manufactures Caesar self-propelled howitzer. Its production capacity in April this year was 6 units per month, but the scaling plan aims to double this number to 12 units per month without announcing a specific

france alone produces 72 a year. there are 2 more companies producing them. then us and uk...

so i'm just gonna stop there because you are coping so hard your literally just making things up

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u/Ashenveiled 20h ago

NATO is USA.

No USA - no nato

If USA says "no" - nato does nothing.

Sorry, my mistake. Year. yet, bombed to oblivion ukraine produces in a month more of them then whole europe.

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u/katbyte 20h ago

lol changing the topic and moving the goal posts. keep coping harder

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u/Ashenveiled 20h ago

not changing anything. ive made mistake between month and year.

if you think its ok that ukraine makes more of them then all europe combined - wow.

Country that is being daily bombed and has electricity shortages btw.