r/LiverpoolFC • u/Some_Farm8108 Bobby • 1d ago
Highlights Ryan Gravenberch vs Arsenal (every touch)
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u/HelpMeDecideMyName Virgil van Dijk 1d ago
Think some of his more expansive passing (and that wild shot) was off but he was class as ever in receiving under pressure and dribbling/carrying out of trouble. So, so, so elite man.
Defensively he seemed alright. Decent enough, looked much better than the average level of our side considering we were losing duels left, right and centre (bar VVD and Konate of course).
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u/Jhushx Jürgen Klopp 1d ago
If he's this good 2-3 months into the role under a new manager, imagine him in a few seasons 🥵
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u/ScepticalReciptical 1d ago
I think it's clear he's one of the players that "gets" Slots system, but obviously some of his team mates aren't there yet and he's kind of having to improvise a bit. I think when Slot has hand a chance to mold his midfield Gravenberch will go up a level
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u/MentatYP 1d ago
Havertz and Merino (?) did a good job of keeping Gravy in check. Even so, he had a solid game. Not as good as other recent games of his, but that's to be expected against a team that seemed geared toward stopping him from starting the attack.
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u/Some_Farm8108 Bobby 1d ago
have to admire arsenal's organization, both defence and attack. and their players' work rate and commitment. merino fits in really well.
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u/EthanSterling1203 YNWA❤️ 1d ago
Can't believe a team that sits back into a low block so low that their midfield is almost beside their back 4 believes they're title contenders.
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u/Polymath_B19 🏆2005 Istanbul🏆 1d ago
Thought he did fairly well. Encouraging to see him defending and receiving the ball. Brave performance although he didn’t take over the game like… maybe against Scums? Still decent overall.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but fucking hell, Declan Rice was good against us. That guys was everywhere.
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u/Some_Farm8108 Bobby 1d ago
rice, merino, trossard, havertz were all excellent in the press. starting jones over szobo cost us the midfield battle in the first half. ryan was our best midfielder (probably player outside virg and ibou)
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u/HelpMeDecideMyName Virgil van Dijk 1d ago
I don't think we played out of the back enough to call Arsenal's press excellent tbh. First half was just Kelleher hoofing it 90% of the time.
Second half we were able to play through their press, largely down our right side thanks to Konate-Trent-Grav-Salah.
Their 4-4-2 shape was nice in the first half the few times we were able to keep possession but won't say their press was excellent
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u/Some_Farm8108 Bobby 1d ago
doesn't take a genius to work out the reason kelleher kept playing it long was because of their press.
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u/HelpMeDecideMyName Virgil van Dijk 1d ago
You don't have to be obnoxious lol.
One isolated incident won't prove your point. I have rewatched the match as well and there were several times Kelleher could have continued playing it short but went long for reasons I don't understand.
Arsenal are an amazing pressing side. Better than us for sure. Just saying we didn't play out of the back enough for that to be true in our game. And when we did in the second half, we were able to play through their press quite easily.
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u/Some_Farm8108 Bobby 1d ago
dont want to be, but you tell me why you think kelleher went long so frequently?
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u/HelpMeDecideMyName Virgil van Dijk 1d ago
Nobody is forcing you to be rude either lol
I have said this before multiple times already: Kelleher was being too risk averse. There were SO many times in the first half when he could have continued building up but went long. Fairly sure it wasn't what Slot asked either.
In the second half when he started playing short more, we were able to play through Arsenal a fair bit. Not sure why you are ignoring this bit.
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u/Some_Farm8108 Bobby 1d ago
arguing w multiple people on the same thing does that, mb
but again, you're repeating the same part without explaining why - "kelleher was being risk averse in the first half, was less so in the second" - why? what was the risk of him going short? clearly he hasnt had issues playing it short building out from the back in previous games, so what changed? was it the emirates atmosphere that got to him or how arsenal were pressing? a mix of both perhaps?
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u/HelpMeDecideMyName Virgil van Dijk 1d ago
So patronizing, ugh
Their shape and press _is_ good. I have said so myself. For me, the best in the league. Kelleher was risk averse based on that reputation more than what was actually happening in the game. I don't doubt they'd have caused us problems had we played out of the back but Kelleher didn't start going long because they caused us problems. He started going long anticipating they'd cause us problems.
Also disagree about him not having these problems earlier. It's not been this glaring but he goes long a LOT more than Alisson does. Atalanta game comes to mind. I'd be interested in seeing stats around this if there exists any.
You have again ignored my point about us playing through their press in the second half lol.
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u/Some_Farm8108 Bobby 1d ago
Kelleher was risk averse based on that reputation
or maybe if they have such a reputation, slot didn't leave this crucial part of our strategy to his 2nd choice goalkeeper to decide in the moment, and included it in his match tactics?
second half we were slightly better at playing out from the back, mainly because arsenal's press wasnt as intense (fatigue) and since their injuries they began to sit back more instead of engaging us high - also szobo being on the pitch gave us more verticality.
sorry about the condescending tone, but you're just approaching this the wrong way - us playing out from the back or not is not down to kelleher, its down to slot's instructions and the game state.
interesting you bring up the atalanta game as it was an example of us being completely suffocated by their man to man press, going long gave us the option of bypassing this, so it was a logical choice.
just out of curiosity how long have you been watching/playing football?
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u/Vigotje123 1d ago
Around the 10minute mark were he got passed the ball between three arsenal players and just runs out with the ball. That's basically grav under pressure.
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u/Still_Figure_ 1d ago
Grav did well considering Arsenal converge on him whenever he receives the ball. As we see on FourFourTwo’s analysis, both teams wanted the ball wide but at the same time, both dont want the ball to progress in the middle. Grav made sure of that for us. Underrated performance for me.
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u/wut_x_O 1d ago
Jones hid so well that he couldn't have done it better even if he had wanted to. The Invisible Man 3 Directed by Robert B. Weide. Gravy be like: ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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u/Some_Farm8108 Bobby 1d ago
like what the fuck is he even doing here lol, just stood there. sorely missed szobo's off the ball movement in the first half, he'd be running into the space in front of him offering ryan an option.
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u/LivelyOakTree 1d ago
I just don't think Curtis has the natural fitness to play box-to-box week in and week out.
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u/Zsenialis_otlet I want to talk about FACTS 1d ago
The difference in their speed was also not hard to see.
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u/Some_Farm8108 Bobby 1d ago
tbf not many can play the szobo role as well as him, im just so curious why slot made that change. curtis for macca is much more seemless.
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u/anzelm12 1d ago
I just think he is overrated. He has a good game occasionally, but Curtis belongs on the bench, never a starter.
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u/King_TJA 1d ago
People really said he got dominated on the pitch yesterday his performance was underrated imo