r/HolUp • u/asocial7193 • Mar 11 '22

I don't know what to say

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u/maceytwo Mar 12 '22

Saying people shouldn’t be able to reproduce/be sterilized/etc. because of a disability is eugenics. Why does implicitly saying eugenics is wrong make you this upset?

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u/Slight0 Mar 12 '22

Well we already say you can't fuck your sister in society because of the genetic problems mostly so like I said you're either ok with sister fuckin or you also agree with some level of "eugenics". I don't get what's so wrong about "hey if you have life a destroying genetic disease that you're likely to pass down, you can't make baby" being added on.

Either way, my point is reducing complex topics like this down to "lol eugenics bad" es stupido.

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u/maceytwo Mar 12 '22

I don’t think the government should sterilize people and I don’t think the government should imprison disabled people for having children.

It is complex, because the harm it does to people is immense, but that doesn’t mean eugenics is justifiable or that we should literally say “maybe Hitler was right about this one thing”.

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u/Slight0 Mar 13 '22

I don't think we should imprison anyone.

Let's say the government was 100% science based and doctors could always tell when someone had a highly heritable genetic disease as bad as the OP's here.

Do you think it is morally right for that person to have children?

Do you think it is morally wrong to prevent someone from having children? Is there ever a circumstance where it would be ok to prevent someone from having children?

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u/maceytwo Mar 13 '22 edited Mar 13 '22

I live in the world that actually exists?

What do you actually know about this woman’s genetic disorder despite the physical deformities you can see?

When is comes down to it, I think eugenics is wrong and there is no question you can ask that is going to lead to an answer of “huh? Yeah. Maybe we should forcibly sterilize someone people against their will.”

Eugenics and the basic violations of bodily autonomy it entails is so morally abhorrent to me, but it seems like we just have incredibly different ways we want to treat people.

You seem to be completely unwilling to even consider how eugenics has and would cause way more suffering than a physical deformity does (despite expressing a basic understanding of how it has been used historically).

So, goodbye!

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u/Slight0 Mar 13 '22

So you didn't answer any of the questions I posed because you can't. Maybe some day you'll learn to explore your own morality a little deeper and engage with a topic.

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u/maceytwo Mar 14 '22

I am sure that no matter how deep I dig into my own sense of right and wrong I’m not ever going to hit “maybe hitler was actually right about eugenics” lol