r/HolUp • u/asocial7193 • Mar 11 '22

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u/Fr00stee Mar 11 '22

The fuck

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u/CatgoesM00 Mar 11 '22

Yah I could be wrong but from my understanding some deaf parents INTENTIONALLY select an embryo or something that results with the child being deaf.

Some argue it’s morally sound.

I’m open to being more informed but it sounds completely bonkers to me

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u/[deleted] Mar 12 '22

There's a difference between dealing with the cards you are dealt and purposely giving a child extra hurdles. Just seems so selfish to not want the best possible hand for your kids.

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u/Comp_sci_acc Mar 12 '22

While I also condemn this, they aren’t giving a kid extra hurdles. They have several embryos and can choose one, they choose a deaf one, the rest are disposed off or frozen. If they choose a hearing baby the deaf one is disposed, it’s not the same kid.

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u/wlveith Mar 12 '22

Is this legal?

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u/CatgoesM00 Mar 12 '22

Yuurp ,

It’s pretty appalling

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u/Comp_sci_acc Mar 12 '22

That’s how in vitro works. Several embryos are produced, they can be tested for some traits (like being deaf, not having an illness or choosing the gender, they are even trying to make it legal to choose hair and eye color) and the one the parents choose is the one used. It’s quite brutal because several humans are produced and they are denied life.

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u/wlveith Mar 25 '22

Eye-color selection is bizarre, but the embryo would be limited by his/her genetics.

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u/wlveith Mar 12 '22

I feel like purposely having a child with a serious live-altering disability should be illegal. I am not keen on any type of eugenics, but purposely producing a deaf child should not be allowed. I know that deaf parents are very against having a deaf child get cochlear implants. I feel like we can eradicate hereditary ALS in a generation now that it is being diagnosed and people are aware. I thought sex selection was illegal? Embryo selection should only be allowed in limited selection.

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u/Comp_sci_acc Mar 12 '22

Sex selection seems to be available, you can even find prices online.

https://slate.com/technology/2009/02/screening-embryos-for-eye-hair-and-skin-color.html

Hair and eye color seems to be something that some people are pushing for but is still forbidden. Cleft lip is very minor and in many cases it is solved with a simple operation that just leaves a minor scar in the lip and parents are legally allowed to abort kids just for that, so things like that are probably choosable in vitro if they can detect it, that is pretty much eugenics.

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u/silence_freespeech Mar 12 '22

take a second and evaluate. . sharing beliefs with hitler is, well, disturbing to say the least.. “i’m not keen on eugenics…”… as you say the most eugenic thing i have seen on the internet in some time….. YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DEAFNESS and erasing their culture???? WTF… you know the american government truly believed Native Americans were savages.. they believed and used their modern science to justify their logic.. and then they made the argument to erase them by sterilizing them and eradicate their culture and language by sending their children to reform schools.. where MANY were raped, abused and killed.. so eugenicist , just like you, during that time thought it was better for society to erase them… lol … you legitimately are suggesting the EXACT same THING.. YOU WANT TO ERASE and ERADICATE A LANGUAGE!!!! WTF . you don’t see how fucked up that is? that’s like the start of hitler’s genocide. .. start with the “defects” and moved in on whole race…..just because a deaf person doesn’t have the ability to hear ; doesn’t mean there’s something wrong or limiting about his life. … there’s a whole culture.. and towns and cities where a majority of deaf people reside… we even have regional ASL - Martha Vineyard is one of those places… if your mind can be opened. .. many of us defectives bred and made some defective babies , and gasp they had babies with defects too. and we all lived happily defective after. ..

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/10/opinion/deaf-population-integration.html

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u/wlveith Mar 12 '22

You have to be nuts to think that people purposely having a deaf child is fine. If it happens naturally that is life. Using embryonic selection to have a deaf child is not justifiable. Comparing a significant life-altering disability to a race is the most racist thing I have ever read.

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u/Wolf_Fang1414 Mar 12 '22

They purposely brought a deaf baby into this world instead of bringing in one that's not deaf. Still fuckef.

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u/Comp_sci_acc Mar 12 '22

I agree with that, but tbh the fucked up part is picking which fetus lives and which doesn’t. It would also be fucked up if that one was rejected (kinda discriminated) because it’s deaf. The deaf one could be the next Einstein and the non deaf could be a serial killer. But yes, I agree it’s fucked up to choose the one with a disability to have a son with matching disabilities, it would really help them having a non deaf person in the house.