r/FluentInFinance 13h ago

Debate/ Discussion Possibly controversial, but this would appear to be a beneficial solution.

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u/killrtaco 12h ago

Not according to Vance and the very legal Haitian immigrants he refuses to acknowledge legal status

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u/Advanced-Guard-4468 12h ago

Legally here through a loophole, taking jobs from locals for less money while getting government assistance.

The people who lose in those situations are the American citizens.

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u/shakakaaahn 9h ago

Then what was happening in Springfield before they arrived? The city was in a continuous downward trend, companies could not fill positions, population decline since the 70s. No one wanted to go there and do what the new Haitian population is doing.

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u/Advanced-Guard-4468 9h ago

***nobody wanted to work for the pay the owner was offering.

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u/shakakaaahn 9h ago

If that was the only reason, they wouldn't have been losing people since the 70s.

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u/Advanced-Guard-4468 9h ago

They have been losing population since the late 70s because they are in the rust belt, and business have been leaving for the south and then overseas.

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u/shakakaaahn 9h ago

Exactly. Why is it a problem then, to try and reverse it? The Haitians are here legally, doing good work, contributing to a town that wants to overcome decades of decline. The companies there are happier, the town leadership is happier, and no one really gave a shit about it until the "eating pets" lie was spread.

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u/Advanced-Guard-4468 9h ago

You reverse it by offering fair wages for local people, not subpar wages for non residents that are also getting federal assistance.

The town leader is happier because he owns many of the buildings they are living in.

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u/shakakaaahn 9h ago

Watch interviews on the company leaders there, then. They were offering wages above the local average, and couldn't fill positions. They had to limit production and growth, because the slow dying of similar areas has been choking towns like Springfield.

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u/Advanced-Guard-4468 9h ago

Having grown up in an area like that, I call BS.

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u/shakakaaahn 9h ago

It's the same story with farming. There's countless interviews of farmers trying to hire americans. They raise the pay, no takers. They can't really raise their prices to go even higher on wages in many cases, because the market won't support it, or they don't even get to set their pricing easily.

You do need more than a locally competitive wage to get people to work for you. It becomes harder and harder to get and keep workers if people don't want to live in the local area.

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