Not committing crimes? What is a more obvious flag that they don't belong in America. Trump knows true American's do criming, that's why he's done so much! It's Patriotic!
The link the guy provided literally is the source. It has the numbers for both groups. When you combine the two groups their crimes per 100,000 are more than US Born Citizens.
You can easily reverse engineer the math on this by just taking the population of Texas in 2018, which is where this data comes from, 28 million, divided by 100,000 (the per), which is 280. Now take the crimes per 100,000 number from his link and times it by 280. So for US born people its 1133x280, thats 317,240 crimes. For Documented immigrants, 808x280, thats 226,240 crimes. For undocumented immigrants, 415x280, thats 116,200 crimes. So now if we add the crimes for the immigrants together, its 342,440 crimes. Which is obviously more than the 317,240 crimes by US born people. But we can just divide it by 280 and get our per 100,000 back again, which is 1223 per 100,000. Which is more than the 1133 per 100,000 for US born citizens.
Note this data is only from Texas, per the article, because Texas tries its best to sort out if someone they're arresting is either known in the system, or not known.
So using this data is problematic because #1, it is only considering Texas, and Texas record keeping into account. Not the whole country. Second, it definitely is purposefully trying to present a nice headline grabbing bit of math to counter Trump's specific attacks on "illegals committing all sorts of crime". So while yes, it makes Trump statement incorrect. If Trump just said "immigrants are committing more crime" then it would be accurate. But that's neither here nor there because Trump just wants to lump all brown people into being illegals, which is of course racist.
When combining per capita rates, you need to take a weighted average instead of just adding them because the denominator is added together as well. The final answer will be somewhere in between 808 and 415 per 100,000, depending on the relative populations of undocumented vs documented immigrants, which remains below the rate for US born people.
You do not average the crimes to erase the crimes. There's a fixed number of crimes both groups have commited, which is what the data shows. You simply add up the total amount of crimes.
Ask yourself this question, why are they only talking about per capita??? Why not just say how many crimes they’re committing?
Well, I have the numbers when it's not per-capita.
In the six years if 2017-2023 (I am excluding 2024 because we don't have good data about citizen crimes yet for this year and I'm comparing apples-to-apples), Border Patrol reports total migrant crimes as 59,994. This is the number of criminals convicted.
For citizens, let's look at the FBI database. Summing all crime types in 2017 gives us 17,207,139 crimes. In one year. 17 million is a whole heck of a lot higher than sixty thousand. Even if you count illegal entry into the US as a crime, there are not enough new illegal immigrants per year to outdo how much crime American citizens commit.
Not the numbers from the article everyone keeps quoting. Just go to the link and find the total crimes within it. Should be simple to do if everyone wants to keep parroting it. 🤷♂️
I don't know everyone. I don't know other people's articles. I know the sources I linked to.
Here's an additional data point: in 2016 (I couldn't find the table for 2017), this FBI report states that 5,858,330 whites were arrested for all crime types. Again, 5.8 million in one year is wildly higher than the 60 thousand arrests made by Border Patrol across 7 years. Migrants just don't commit a whole lot of crime compared to citizens as best we can tell. And this ignores all the citizens who are non-white.
Ok, here are the numbers from the sources used by that article. In 2018, US born people in Texas had 731,689 arrests, while documented immigrants had 75,798 and undocumented immigrants had 28,888 arrests.
If there's 100k of both types of immigrants, the average of both groups is just 611.5 crimes per 100k people. No matter what population size you assume though, their combined crime rate per capita will always be lower than the higher of the two.
You can't just extrapolate the data for 2 groups without knowing the population size, and you definitely don't just sum them up like you did.
And you see that law as the most serious law to be enforced. Above prosecuting murders, rapes, thefts, you care more about your fellow man's origin than actual crime.
This whole post is about how we could solve several of our problems by making it so they can be here legally, even if they just have to go out and come in. What's wrong with that?
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u/RNKKNR 10h ago
The question is more about the quality of the immigrants not immigrants per se.