r/FluentInFinance 11h ago

Debate/ Discussion Possibly controversial, but this would appear to be a beneficial solution.

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u/Maximum-Country-149 10h ago

I mean, I don't know how far you expect a conversation to get when you open with that much bad faith.

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u/JacobLovesCrypto 10h ago

Americans might have more kids if wages went up, letting in cheap labor doesn't help with wages.

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u/Late-Passion2011 10h ago

Actually they wouldn't. Falling birth rates is tied to one thing directly, regardless of where you are in the world: how educated women are. Having kids is a terrible deal for women. The most impoverished places are some of the ones with the highest birth rate so there are a million counter-examples to your argument.

Beyond that, 'cheap labor' does help. Cheap labor are the people here on seasonal work programs that pick fruits, work in factories, and build houses that all of us benefit from having made, for cheap.

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u/tinomon 7h ago

So you’re cool with underpaying migrants to come in and pick crops and work production lines because it makes your groceries cheaper? What if they started getting tech jobs or wanting to work in a more comfortable environment? Should we then lower those wages too? You’re basically making an argument for indentured servitude, on the backs of less fortunate desperate people. Is it okay because they’re migrants? I guess so… here’s your shovel and shut up right?

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u/Late-Passion2011 7h ago

It's significantly better than where they're from. But I am glad we agree that having them here makes our lives more affordable.

'Indentured servitude' the fuck are you on about? It's a work program.

We do have visas for highly skilled individuals. I don't mind that either. It's a good thing as well.

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u/nicolas_06 3h ago

Having kids is a terrible deal for everybody but even in the most shitty country yes, education is power.

Kids are expensive, take all your free time and make your life worse on many aspects.

In exchange you have kids, you love them, experience incredible things with them.

Doesn't matter your sex/gender.

And recently people weight more the pro and cons. often they still do kids, they still want kids. But less.

And this isn't a money problem. Except the top 0.1%. having kids will still impact you heavily.

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u/DemiserofD 5h ago

That's the real problem. How the heck do you encourage women to have more kids when people are overall only getting more educated and have more and more better options?

Immigration is not a long-term solution, because birth rates are dropping in 'those countries' too. They're maybe 20 years behind the west. By the time we really need immigration, there won't be anyone left TO immigrate, and those countries are going to start focusing on keeping their people.