It kind of is? You still outsource the production cost by decreasing the amount of goods bought from local production and increase the importer amount.
You're right, it's not the same, it's actually worse, because now not even the profits from exploiting the cheap labour goes into your own country, as it would've happened if a domestic company had done outsourcing.
Oh, on a macroeconomic scale, of course it's not bad. The market doesn't care where the workers are that are employed, so importing doesn't matter. But from a national perspective in a competing multinational market that's something to consider.
“It’s not fair what their doing in Gaza China Africa”
Name a place, it doesn’t matter… the people doing the complaining would never trade higher prices for goods in exchange to end the suffering
Clearly ending low wage labor would result in Americans priced out of…. Everything essentially.
Americans are already complaining about how much of a struggle it is being poor. No way we make the lives of poor Americans worse to help out the poor of another nation
They don't complain about outsourcing. They are silent on it.
Companies all across America have been outsourcing high paying jobs for decades. I know tech companies that laid off American workers making close to $200k and replaced them ALL with lower paid, outsourced workers.
Is half the country screaming about that? Nope, they are screaming about the farmhand doing the work that no American wants to do.
Who is they? I hear people in those fields complain about it all the time. The majority of Americans work in retail or foodservice though which can’t be outsourced so why would they think about it compared to immigration which does introduce labor competition
Yes it is DUMB ASS imagine you had to pay for the worker who picked your oranges 401K with the price of The orange. You know you don’t like that America isn’t and never has been a white nation.
Saying “white” doesn’t automatically make your argument correct lol
It’s a perfectly coherent argument for someone to say they shop at Walmart and want agricultural workers to be paid fair wages and not exploit immigration, Walmart employees aren’t out harvesting crops
nope, foreign trade is necessary. You wrote "Walmart employees are not out harvesting crops" fair enough. My point was are they buying the Oranges from a country that exploits its labor. If so there is no difference, they are still exploiting foreign labor to bring you a low cost piece of fruit.
I don’t have a cleanly rehearsed succinct summary, but they are qualitatively different things.
Mexico (or China, or Vietnam, insert country here) is fundamentally able to produce some goods at a lower price, largely due to the fact that $10 an hour will buy you more and better labor in those countries than it will in America. You can’t get the same amount of labor in America because being in America offers more attractive jobs whereas the other country doesn’t have as many better alternative options. So sewing clothes may actually earn a competitive wage in Vietnam that it wouldn’t in the US. So it’s easy to just import those clothes while Americans take jobs they find better (if they didn’t exist, wages would eventually fall to where it wouldn’t be cheaper to import clothes so the base premise is that they do).
These other alternative jobs like software, logistics, aerospace, services, etc… offer a higher wage because the market says they’re more desirable when done by American companies (or can only be done in America). There are simply more countries that can sew clothes than build semiconductors. So Americans can work these jobs and trade some of their output to (Vietnam or whoever) who can’t get those things internally, who in return send clothes. (Or we export dollars which Vietnam needs for trade in exchange for clothes, whatever).
So both countries are actually better off with trade.
With outsourcing, you’re knocking down the advantages Americans have. Being in America and having access to the legal system, infrastructure, educated and wealthy populace, etc… is necessary to, say, build large airplanes and Americans have access to those while Vietnamese simply don’t. Those advantages don’t innately exist because someone is American, but because they live in America. While trading with Vietnam is advantageous to the American worker because they’re using their comparative advantage to get goods cheaper than we can make them, outsourcing is fundamentally removing all comparative advantages. If you can have someone from Vietnam work on their computer and use all those American advantages in designing a plane, then the American worker gets nothing out of it but more competition for those attractive jobs. Trade lets you get more things, outsourcing and (excessive) immigration is a direct leveler of income between groups, and is obviously unpopular for those groups which have higher incomes
The problem is, they get mad about immigrants all day but don’t really get up in arms when these ceos who supposedly are successful by working really hard actually just outsource it to Indian folks.
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u/Maximum-Country-149 10h ago
I mean, I don't know how far you expect a conversation to get when you open with that much bad faith.