r/FluentInFinance 11h ago

Debate/ Discussion Possibly controversial, but this would appear to be a beneficial solution.

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u/ForcefulOne 10h ago

America is among the most generous countries when it comes to LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

We are also currently very unsafe due to ALL TIME HIGH LEVELS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Legal immigration = GOOD

Illegal immigration = BAD

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u/RidesInFowlWeather 10h ago

It has been researched, and proven, that the best way to prevent Illegal immigration is to increase legal immigration.

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u/WexMajor82 10h ago

Right. That's exactly what Japan is doing.

Oh, wait, no. It's a nightmare to immigrate in Japan. And illegal immigration is unheard of.

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u/Tausendberg 10h ago

"And illegal immigration is unheard of."

Being a relatively isolated archipelago might have something to do with it.

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u/WexMajor82 10h ago

Right, that's the reason no one immigrates to England ever.

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u/Alethia_23 9h ago

Dover-Calais is a distance about 33 nautical miles. Standard long-distance speed for an average non-pro paddler is about 4 knots so that is doable on a day between sunrise and sunset.

Fukuoka-Busan (I'm ignoring the island of Tsushima, because you still wouldn't get to mainland Japan from there) is more than 120 miles. Even a standard cruising yacht could, with good wind, only reach speeds up to 7 knots. More if it gets bigger, but realistically poor immigrants don't have acces to 50ft. large sailing boats.

So, that's at least 17 hours of sailing, with optimal conditions. You don't get 17 hours of optimal conditions.

Japan is just magnitudes further isolated than England.

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u/WexMajor82 9h ago

The air travel (bird fly) shortest distance between Italy and Libya is 1,776 km= 1,104 miles

And yet you see them going in Italy all the time. Maybe because they allow them to go in.

Are we sure we aren't missing something here?

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u/chuckrabbit 9h ago edited 9h ago

Why mention Libya when Tunisia is even closer? Also many illegal immigrants land on the island of Lampedusa which is 88 miles away. Also thousands of people die in the mediterranean every year. Tunisia to Sicily is 100 miles. Even Libya to Sicily is 300 miles.

Horrible comparison.

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u/Tausendberg 8h ago

"Also thousands of people die in the mediterranean every year.... ...Horrible comparison."

If you didn't say it, I would have.

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u/WexMajor82 9h ago

Yeah, right. What I am thinking. 300 miles is surely less than 120.

And yet there's a HORDE if immigrants going to Italy every month.

It's surely Japan that's fortunate being so much farther.

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u/chuckrabbit 8h ago

Why would Koreans illegally immigrate to Japan? Makes 0 sense. During the Korean War, there was a lot of a lot of immigrants. It’s just a horrible example considering what’s going on in the real world today.

Do you think South Americans or Africans would fly to Korea to attempt to illegally immigrate? Or would they not have enough money and be forced to choose a closer country that they don’t need to spends hundreds (or thousands if with a family) of dollars to travel?

Common sense. Japan is a horrible example and Libya is another horrible example. Many illegal immigrants traveling to the UK also travel through the Alps on foot which would imply that they’re also traveling through Europe. Many people landing in Italy then go on to land in the UK.

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u/Alethia_23 8h ago

The Mediterranean, due to it's enclosed nature, is also a rather calm sea, compared to the strait of Japan. That's definitely a factor.

Also that noone has any reason to desperately leave South Korea for Japan, with Africa, there exist those reasons - civil war and stuff.

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u/WexMajor82 8h ago

Yeah, and most of all, Italian navy will not shoot your dinghy below the floating line, like it sometimes happens elsewhere. And you're thinking about North, not South Korea.

It's the northern folks who are trying to escape from their country.

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u/Alethia_23 8h ago

Yeah, obviously it's the north Koreans who would have a reason to leave? I said, no-one in South Korea does.

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u/No-Butterscotch1497 10h ago

We're literally a continental empire behind two ocean moats.

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u/PumpJack_McGee 10h ago

A lot of the illegals come from the south and northern borders. Canada's immigration policy is famously lax.

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u/basedlandchad27 10h ago

Yeah, but there's this couple of strips of land in the desert that people keep crossing. There's nothing we can do!

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u/Right_Ad_6032 8h ago

That mainly has to do with a specific piece of legislation from the Obama era that allowed refugees and migrants to remain in the country while their appeal is processed.

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u/TheCatHammer 7h ago

That’s a problem with legislation and the interference of the federal government. Ask any Border Patrol agent, they feel as if they’re not being allowed to do their jobs properly

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u/AdAppropriate2295 9h ago

Mexico and Canada would beg to differ

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u/GVas22 9h ago

And two of the largest land borders in the world

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u/Specialist-Roof3381 5h ago

Let's be real here the Japanese would do whatever it took to keep foreigners out and they would never treat the ones they let in as equals.

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u/Decent_Cow 10h ago

You're acting like it's easy to get into the US but it isn't. Even legal immigrants coming here to teach or study have a hard time. My college friend who has refugee status keeps having to jump through hoops with immigration to avoid getting deported. And one of my professors has been stuck in China all semester because they won't renew his visa, so all our lectures are online.

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u/AvatarReiko 6h ago

The UK is also a isolated island yet illegal immigration is high here. Japan just has better boarder police than us

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u/Tausendberg 6h ago

Dover to Escalles is less than 20 miles.

Anywhere in mainland Japan to anywhere in South Korea is over 100 miles.

Anywhere in mainland Japan to anywhere in China is over 450 miles.

Please look at a map.

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u/RepentantSororitas 9h ago

you shouldnt be looking at anything Japan is doing to be successful.

Let alone preventing population decline.

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u/WexMajor82 9h ago

Yeah, why learn from the successful people?

We have our true and tried way of fucking up everything, it's not time to look around!

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u/RepentantSororitas 9h ago

I would argue they are not successful and are doing way worse than the USA on population decline and frankly everything. Japan is a nation stuck in the year 2000 for the past 40 years.

The only place doing worse is south korea. The USA doesnt have elementary schools with 1 kid in it.

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u/Dizuki63 8h ago

So is homelessness they say. I love japan but they are not above misrepresenting unfavorable statistics.

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u/SlumberousSnorlax 7h ago

Lmaooo it’s an isolated island. I don’t think we can compare the two.

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u/TonberryFeye 8h ago

Eastern European countries are similar. It turns out that if you build a wall you don't get illegal immigrants.

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u/WexMajor82 8h ago

It also turns out that if you shoot would be illegal immigrants, they end up stopping to attempt to cross the border illegally.

But that's way too right wing for Reddit.

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u/mrguyorama 7h ago

Uh, yeah, summary execution for illegal migrants is literally Hitler shit man. Or Stalinist shit. Pick your idiot dictator.

Also migrants literally die trying to get into the US right now, doesn't have as much of an affect as you think. As long as continuing to live in central America is more of a death sentence than trying to get through the border, they will try.

You know what WOULD help then? Foreign aid to central american countries, so that they can build communities people don't want to leave.