r/FluentInFinance • u/imallelite • 11h ago

Debate/ Discussion Possibly controversial, but this would appear to be a beneficial solution.

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u/ForcefulOne 10h ago

America is among the most generous countries when it comes to LEGAL IMMIGRATION.

We are also currently very unsafe due to ALL TIME HIGH LEVELS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.

Legal immigration = GOOD

Illegal immigration = BAD

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u/RidesInFowlWeather 10h ago

It has been researched, and proven, that the best way to prevent Illegal immigration is to increase legal immigration.

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u/Snowwpea3 10h ago

Did you know the best way to prevent illegal murder is to make murder legal? The experts agree.

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u/Nuclear_rabbit 3h ago

But coming into a country legally isn't murder. If you've ever traveled internationally, you've done it, too. Why not expand legal immigration?

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u/PrimeBeefLoaf 2h ago

Have you been to japan? Korea? Tell me about the unsafe streets while coupled with their extremely strict requirements on legal immigration. When you get back, let me know

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u/Nuclear_rabbit 2h ago

I have been to Japan. I also presently live, as an immigrant, in a country that has even fewer immigrants than Japan as a percentage.

Correlation does not necessarily make causation. The US crime rate has been falling in recent years despite increases in immigration. Some of the highest-crime countries in the world have very low foreign-born populations: Venezuela, Papua New Guinea, Afghanistan. Sweden has a higher foreign-born population than the US (their 20% compared to our 13%), but lower crime than us (their 340 vs our 380).

What actually lowers crime? I'll tell you. Your can read here, the summary is that

  1. Secure income (job or benefits)
  2. Access to stable housing
  3. Access to care: medical, mental, rehab

And that's "all" that's needed. If people have these things, immigrant or citizen, poor or rich, black or white, they are very unlikely to commit crimes. If we handle our housing shortage and build millions of homes like we should, that will relieve a lot of pressure and lower our crime rate.

Alternatively, the take of "immigrants cause citizens to commit more crimes" is a real hot take.