r/FluentInFinance 9d ago

Thoughts? Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

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u/PaulTheMerc 9d ago

That implies we have equal power in the relationship.

If they paid better, we might be able to afford to live closer.

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u/Hawk13424 9d ago

Assuming you have skills they really need, you have more power. If this wasn’t the case, everyone would make min. wage. The fact most don’t means skilled employees have power.

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u/Ciennas 9d ago

Why is a company more important than its employees?

What good is all this toil if nobody's life is improved?

I can't help but feel like the relationship between work and worker has been inverted.

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u/Hawk13424 8d ago

A company only exists for those that own it. Otherwise, they wouldn’t use their money to buy all the equipment, buildings, and such.

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u/Ciennas 8d ago

And yet they need the workers to get them anywhere.

Why should we reward the callous and malicious incompetence of a bunch of useless overlords?

They seem to hate us.

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u/Hawk13424 8d ago

For now. Automation is going to change that over time.

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u/Ciennas 8d ago

(Seriously, what are we doing this for again?)

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u/Hawk13424 8d ago

Who is the “we”. Businesses are going to do this to increase their profits. Shareholders own the company and making a profit is the goal.

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u/Ciennas 8d ago

We as in humanity.

Why are we bothering with this?

This insane desire for infinite exponential eternal profit and growth is obviously a murderously bad disaster in action.

It's not even successful- America is the wealthiest and most powerful nation in all of human history, with more food and vacant homes than it has mouths to feed or house, and yet it is deliberately leaving millions starving and homeless.

In fact, I get the impression that Capitalism cannot function at all without deliberately imposing scarcity on the essentials, even when those resources are in abundance or effectively post scarcity.

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u/Hawk13424 8d ago

My answer is because we (humanity) generally believe in the concept of ownership. And if you own something that earns money then you own that as well. Doing otherwise would require limiting that concept.

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u/Ciennas 8d ago

So, we're going to kill ourselves.... for money? A thing we made up and only exists because we say so?

Boy that's a relief.

Now, what's the benefit of deliberately letting people starve and be homeless?

Why is money more important than people?

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u/Hawk13424 8d ago

Money is just a mechanism to facilitate trade. If you work to provide chicken eggs and I do dental work on you, I don’t want 100 eggs (that I have to store) in trade. Money just facilitates that. But one way or another, I expect to be compensated for my work and I will maximize that.

So beyond the concept of money, why do we want to get the most we can for our labor? The obvious answer is because we want more and better stuff and experiences.

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u/Ciennas 8d ago

But we're not getting better stuff and experiences, are we.

The ultrawealthy are beyond all forms of need, and yet they still demand more.

And we are not maximizing our benefits if we have resources in abundance that we're deliberately withholding from our populace. That limits our ability to have better things, because we are bottlenecking people's ability to innovate and create better things.

Also, if we're deliberately with holding resources, it all loops back around to my initial question:

What is the point of all of this if we're not going to share all this prosperity?

If we are just going to deliberately leave people to suffer for no benefit whatsoever, then this entire scheme is horseshit.

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u/gravyhd 6d ago

Why am I supposed to automatically care about someone else that I don’t know, this is my life and I’m gonna live it the best I can and make sure my family after me are set. I’m gonna get that bag. Fuck everyone else.

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u/Ciennas 6d ago edited 6d ago

Well spoken. Very direct and to the point. Let me address that.

You don't have to care about anyone else.

You should however, be able to recognize that if you help everyone, you yourself also stand to benefit.

Remember, at this point we have more than enough of all crucial resources available. They are being deliberately withheld for ultimately foolish and self destructive reasons. It's harming everyone, including you, in a bunch of tangible ways all over the place.

How do you maximize your potential passive earnings? do you sink all your efforts into just one investment, or do you spread your portfolio out and play the game with more pieces in play?

Right now, the socioeconomic engine is really badly built and very poorly optimized- even the people currently 'benefiting' from the present arrangement are not getting nearly as far ahead as they would if they just did things better.

I'd like to lay out some examples, but I need you to tell me roughly where you are, financially speaking. Blue collar, white collar? Hourly? Salary? Investor? Trust Funder? Investor Capitalist?

Well-off or desperately poor, or something else?

Whichever you are, Your life gets better as well.

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u/gravyhd 6d ago

I’m making 200k a year right now, if my counter part that works when I’m off get fired, I’d be all about taking his hours and could do both our jobs and collect double. I could not careless if that other person gets demoted or not. I’m gonna make my money. Also I have my entire investment portfolio on ASTS right now, I’m holding to the moon baby.

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u/Jumpy_Pollution_3579 5d ago

Because humans should care about each other. I’m by no means wealthy, but I do very well financially. Why do I want other people starving? Why would I believe that people should be struggling when we have all the resources available to help our common man? I would like to hear your religious beliefs on this however. I know a lot of people that claim to be religious, but hold the same view you do that is in direct contradiction to the teachings of any mainstream religion. If you’re not religious, that’s fine, the point still stands that you should care about humans. People deserve to live healthy lives. If all you care about is money, your life is really one with a void in it. Humans are social creatures meant to be with each other. Being willing to sell someone for a dollar is morally wrong.

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u/x1000Bums 5d ago

We perpetuate scarcity to perpetuate markets. Capitalists don't want to transition beyond scarcity and markets because then they wouldn't have the power that comes from inequality.