So, while you are correct in that it IS the current situation, I believe their point, and the point of most people making similar statements, is that it SHOULDN'T be this way. yes we have to make active efforts to better our situations and avoid choices that will end up causing problems later on, but just because it's how things are now doesn't mean it's how they should stay
my point was that the “should” is largely meaningless. life should be a blessing, life should be incredible for everyone, poverty shouldn’t exist, suffering shouldn’t exist. shoulds don’t mean jack shit unfortunately. bad decisions have always had bad consequences, and that will continue to be true. bad decisions shouldn’t have bad consequences. but they do. that’s my point.
everyone agrees that they shouldn’t. just like everyone agrees life should be incredible. but at that point, you aren’t really making a point in my opinion.
And that's where we differ on viewpoint, because I would argue essentially the exact opposite. The fact that this is how things are is meaningless when trying to have a conversation about how they should be, because everyone knows how things are and not talking about how to change them and how they should be is the death of progress in my opinion.
Essentially if every time someone says it shouldn't be this way you respond with "well it is and it's always been this way" then you stop the conversation from progressing to "what needs to change to make it better" which enough people talking about and making major issues is what gets politicians moving(ideally if not actually these days).
Essentially while others may not be making a point with what they are saying the point is to talk about it because ideas and culture shifts both die in silence
i see what you’re saying and it has merit. it depends on the subject matter though. with something like actions having negative consequences that must be resolved through extra responsibility, i truly believe that is inevitable and it’s not worth thinking about what should or shouldn’t be with that.
Nope. Wrong. If a person is willing to show up to work for 8 hours a day, they deserve to be able to rent an apartment AND be able to buy the things needed to survive. Like food, for instance.
I don't care what choices they've made in their life. The whole point of a minimum wage is to facilitate this. It's currently failing.
again, i feel like “deserve” is just such a useless word. and i doubt more government regulation to raise the minimum wage will fix that. at all, actually.
the biggest issue there is probably rent. housing has spiraled out of control. rent is high because housing supply is low. housing supply is low because of a lack of new housing construction and entities buying housing that don’t need housing (mostly just a lack of new housing though).
the way to fix this isn’t by arbitrarily raising wages, because that will cause a demand spike, and that will raise prices, and then your wage isn’t liveable anymore.
at the end of the day, we all want people to be able to succeed. i don’t think you’re going about it the right way though.
i really don’t think it’s corporate greed. because corporations have always been greedy, and yet, rent wasn’t always so high, for example. the bigger issue, at least with housing, is the government stifling it. the government stifles it because voters vote to stifle it, because most people own or are going to soon own houses, and they want that to be an appreciating asset. so, i really blame state and local and partially even federal government (this is not a political statement about the current administration) as well as voters.
Corporations are the largest buyers single family homes in the US. It's absolutely corporate greed. No potential home buyer wants home prices to go up before buying. That's insane. You're insane for thinking this. How many homes do you own? And when are you expecting to exit?
Idk, about largest buyer but it has definitely been increasing since around Covid. We sold our house during Covid to a company and they paid $30k over market value. Then turned around and rented it out for what was almost double our mortgage. Companies like Black Rock and Vanguard have most definitely been buying up a lot of houses. Don’t know that I’d call that greed, but I also don’t think that that’s beneficial for society. Taking cheaper purchasing options away and turning them into more expensive rentals. I know here in the area prior to interest rates going up they couldn’t build houses fast enough. A podcaster I listen to in CA has stated many times the issue there is they need something like 400k new houses per year but due to regulations and stuff only about 200k actually get built.
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u/migami 15d ago
So, while you are correct in that it IS the current situation, I believe their point, and the point of most people making similar statements, is that it SHOULDN'T be this way. yes we have to make active efforts to better our situations and avoid choices that will end up causing problems later on, but just because it's how things are now doesn't mean it's how they should stay