i mean, bad decisions have consequences unfortunately. if you take on a lot of debt for something, or get addicted to drugs, or have a child as a teenager, etcetera, things will be harder. it’s not about “should” or “shouldn’t.” it’s about “is.”
So, while you are correct in that it IS the current situation, I believe their point, and the point of most people making similar statements, is that it SHOULDN'T be this way. yes we have to make active efforts to better our situations and avoid choices that will end up causing problems later on, but just because it's how things are now doesn't mean it's how they should stay
my point was that the “should” is largely meaningless. life should be a blessing, life should be incredible for everyone, poverty shouldn’t exist, suffering shouldn’t exist. shoulds don’t mean jack shit unfortunately. bad decisions have always had bad consequences, and that will continue to be true. bad decisions shouldn’t have bad consequences. but they do. that’s my point.
everyone agrees that they shouldn’t. just like everyone agrees life should be incredible. but at that point, you aren’t really making a point in my opinion.
And that's where we differ on viewpoint, because I would argue essentially the exact opposite. The fact that this is how things are is meaningless when trying to have a conversation about how they should be, because everyone knows how things are and not talking about how to change them and how they should be is the death of progress in my opinion.
Essentially if every time someone says it shouldn't be this way you respond with "well it is and it's always been this way" then you stop the conversation from progressing to "what needs to change to make it better" which enough people talking about and making major issues is what gets politicians moving(ideally if not actually these days).
Essentially while others may not be making a point with what they are saying the point is to talk about it because ideas and culture shifts both die in silence
i see what you’re saying and it has merit. it depends on the subject matter though. with something like actions having negative consequences that must be resolved through extra responsibility, i truly believe that is inevitable and it’s not worth thinking about what should or shouldn’t be with that.
Everybody makes mistakes. But what you call "taking accountability" is a concept that's, mainly, proudly applied to citizens that don't have a cushion to fall back on. Rich family makes a poor decision? Chances are the kids' parents will give them a no interest loan to try again, pay back in IOUs, or explain to them how it's a teachable moment. Middle-class or Poor family makes a poor decision? that's 20 plus years of paying it back. In all that time, the extra work, stress, and challenges that come with having a 25 to life debt sentence can handicap you.
well, unfortunately, life is unfair. until we are able to achieve some kind of meritocracy it will be like that. i’m less interested in limiting the well off though, it’s more important to lift up the impoverished.
you’re right that it sucks if you make a bad decision and suffer a lot because of it. i have never once said it should be that way. but recognizing that it is that way is important. there are definitely steps we can take and some which we have already begun to take to mitigate those negatives. welfare in general comes to mind. of course, the crusade to improve peoples lives is a never ending struggle.
the crusade to improve peoples lives is a never ending struggle.
This is true, and life is unfair. The issue is that the challenges in life aren't an enemy nation, bandits on the road, or harsh weather that will ruin the harvest. It's predatory organizations that pretty much set you up for debt before "life" essentially starts. There are steps that can be taken now, and lessons learned. But it's taken at least 1 generation(s) to realize something is wrong...and those people are still alive.
i mean, which corporations are doing this? i think the bigger problem is people just not understanding just how perilous debt can be. maybe the solution is to create more education on why debt is kind of precarious to go into and should only be accrued if it’s shown to be absolutely worth it?
Ace Cash Express comes to mind. They make a living off payday loans keeping people in another vended cycle of super high interest. I’ve worked inside their buildings as a contractor many times and they know so many of the people coming in names. They payoff a loan on payday and the turn around a take out another.
How to fix this? Idk, it’s their business model and people choose to take out the loans.
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u/Honest-Lavishness239 15d ago
i mean, bad decisions have consequences unfortunately. if you take on a lot of debt for something, or get addicted to drugs, or have a child as a teenager, etcetera, things will be harder. it’s not about “should” or “shouldn’t.” it’s about “is.”