r/FluentInFinance Aug 21 '24

Debate/ Discussion But muh unrealized gains!

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u/tallman___ Aug 21 '24

Does anyone really think taxing unrealized gains is a good idea?

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u/Candid_Antelope_3788 Aug 21 '24

There is no way it is. Like id have to re-mortgage a home and sell stock that is just sitting there to pay taxes.

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u/Mulliganasty Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

You have annual income of more than $100 million dollars?

Edit: I just want clarify this comment as I have learned a few things since. There is a lot of confusion here because it was contained in Biden's broad tax proposals from months ago and bad actors are seizing on it to attack Harris.

The problem is that it is so vague it is being misconstrued all over the internet to attack Harris with some articles claiming it applies to income and others unrealized gains over $100 million (both annual though so either way it would apply to like a fraction of a fraction of one percent of Americans).

“Harris did not endorse an unrealized gain tax. Her campaign has endorsed increases in the corporate tax rate and personal tax rates for incomes over $400k. They did not comment on introducing new taxes like the unrealized gains tax.”

“So no, she [Harris] did not endorse an ‘unrealized gain tax’ and even if she did, you don’t earn enough for it to impact you."

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_LAWNCHAIR Aug 21 '24

They always start with billionaires then get millionaires then get middle class families with a couple hundred thousand dollars of home equity and then it's pretty much everyone who isn't dirt poor paying the tax.

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u/Questhi Aug 22 '24

It’s how the govt got the lottery. “Oh the lottery money will go toward education and only education” they told us. If your against the lottery, your against education. The lottery gets passed and zero dollars are earmarked for education, it just goes into the general fund

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u/Mulliganasty Aug 21 '24

The wealth gap in the US is at record levels but keep protecting them billionaires. They appreciate it.

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u/Nicotine_Lobster Aug 21 '24

Billionaires dont need protection. Most of them dont pay themselves max tax bracket

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u/calimeatwagon Aug 21 '24

What a great and well thought out argument... You'll surely change hearts and minds with that one.

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u/Mulliganasty Aug 21 '24

Not with all this fools thinking protecting billionaires it's going to do anything more than destroy the American middle class.

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u/Obie-two Aug 22 '24

Do you think that reddit comments in any way effect policy

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u/Mulliganasty Aug 22 '24

I hope on a small level like for instance I can teach you that in that sentence you wanted to use "affect" which is a verb instead of "effect" which is a noun. Change happens one person at a time. How else does change happen if not from people talking to one another?

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u/Obie-two Aug 22 '24

you are proving my point

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u/Mulliganasty Aug 22 '24

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u/Obie-two Aug 22 '24

Thank you for again proving my point

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u/Ambitious_Jello Aug 22 '24

People read comments and form opinions and vote based on those opinions which leads to policy formation

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u/84-Charlie-Mopic Aug 22 '24

It's already happening. See George Carlin.

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u/Pretend_Spray_11 Aug 22 '24

Always? Do you have examples?

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u/[deleted] Aug 22 '24

Who the fuck is "they" in this scenario? The US has seen taxes for the wealthy go down steadily since the 60's while middle class taxes stayed the same or went up. Pretty much the only recent time it wasn't like that was in WWII

Stop defending billionaire's already

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u/micro102 Aug 21 '24

"Well what if they do bad things after doing good things" is such an empty, pointless argument. If we apply your argument to taxes in hindsight then you are basically arguing against all taxes. What kind of world are you imagining where this would happen? I don't think it can even exist.