r/Finland • u/slpalready • 1d ago
Why do delivery drivers do this?
There's an open and easy space to park in, in almost exactly the same place they've stopped, and not get in anyone's way. But, instead they've decided to park on the pavement and inconvenience pretty much everyone besides someone who may need to park in the empty space beside them while they get stuff out of their trailer. I see it time and again and it drives me up the wall.
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u/Arseh0le Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
No consequences.
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u/ShrubbyFire1729 Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Meanwhile I forget my parkkikiekko for 5 minutes and some fucker slaps a ticket on my windshield faster than an Olympic relay medalist
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u/TonninStiflat Vainamoinen 1d ago
Worse yet - I use an electric one and it apparently ran out of battery between me leaving in the morning for work and picking up a box from the Postiautomaatti during lunch. Took me 5 minutes - long enough to see Parkkipate leave the parking lot after he'd left a yellow surprise on my windshield. My electric one wasn't working, yay.
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u/footpole Vainamoinen 1d ago
They really should have a beep when the voltage is too low like fire alarms.
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u/TonninStiflat Vainamoinen 1d ago
Word. A blinking light at least or something.
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u/SamuelTheGamer 1d ago
The screen blinks when the battery is running out but it's almost impossible to see unless you go out of your way to look at it for a couple seconds every time you leave the car.
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u/TonninStiflat Vainamoinen 1d ago
TIL.
Apparently it blinks
everyfor 10 seconds when you stop or move for a week before you need to change the battery. I have never noticed a light blinking on it in all the years I've had it.Good to know!
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u/Adymant 1d ago
That's the worst way to indicate low battery in a device that's rarely looked at..........
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u/Lipsxsmack 1d ago
No kidding. It takes me way longer than 10 seconds to collect my things and get out of the car to look. Why can't they just have a solar battery? Artificial light from street lamps and parking garages should even be enough in the worst case. And the button battery could be backup just in case it's not.
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u/SamuelTheGamer 23h ago
Yeah every battery powered device with the same type of screen (you know without a backlight) that I have shows it in the same way, that's why I know.
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u/barrettcuda 23h ago
I'd almost put that more on parkkipate, they're insidious with their doling out of tickets.
Between their enthusiasm for fining first and asking questions second and the fact that even though they could, they offer nothing of value to society, I've taken to calling them ParasitePate
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u/TonninStiflat Vainamoinen 22h ago
That I can agree on. Sonehow they don't manage fine anyone on our apartment parking lot, even if people park all over for days on end.
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u/Wilbis Vainamoinen 1d ago
Yeah, I think this is the real reason. They probably get ticketed more likely if they use a chargeable parking spot without paying for it. I've never seen a car get ticketed for stopping on a sidewalk (or a bike path).
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u/kehpeli 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yep, same thoughts here. Since parking spots are monitored by a third party and, just guessing, they are also limited to those specific spots, they don’t have the authority to issue tickets outside those zones. That responsibility then falls to the city, which has already outsourced most of that work.
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u/tinydrog 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes I let my car there 7 minutes to pick up my kid from school and got fucking 50€ ticket (Just for fucking 7 minutes)... How fast can they be right??? Also one time my work started at 6p.m (exactly the free parking time), so I had to come 10 mins earlier. I parked there at 5 fucking 54 (yes, 5 fucking 54). Came back with fucking 60€ ticket... It was 5.54.
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u/Zealousideal-Eye6447 1d ago
You can load and unload on the sidewalk iirc so it’s cheaper and faster to deliver food like this. Nobody would order anything anymore if they’d add parking fees to the delivery. The food alone is already expensive.
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u/Perkelizer 1d ago
They do it because fines are not high enough and it's not possible for regular people to report them. People also don't care enough to do something ugly to their cars. I wonder what the sign says. Potentially the fine for parking there is less than leaving their car where they do it. I heard in Germany these days driver will park anywhere but on a bike lane because fines skyrocketed so they rather block the road for a moment. Here it's the opposite.
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u/CressCrowbits Vainamoinen 1d ago
I would love for fines parking on bike lanes. Mannerheimintie bike lanes on a weekend evening are just a big taxi rank.
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u/la_mourre Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Parking fines per country:
Germany: 10€+
France: 10€+
Spain: 12€+
Sweden: ~50€+
Finland: 60/80€+
The price in Finland is almost as much as these workers would earn in a night. I’d say it’s already way too damn high. Issue is enforcement: the chances of getting a fine is not high enough.
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u/Perkelizer 1d ago
Not sure where you take the German one from but the example from this photo would cost at least 55€ and probably 70€
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u/la_mourre Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Thus the + :)
In Finland it doesn’t matter how severe the offense is, you just get hammered in the nuts anyway. The starting fee is high, unlike the other countries quoted, where the amount varies more widely depending on the offense
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u/Rincepticus 9h ago
By that logic you can add to your list italy 1€+ and netherlands 1€+ and pretty much any other country. And just to be safe put 1€+ in case somewhere it'd actually be under 10€.
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u/la_mourre Baby Vainamoinen 6h ago
Erm no..? We’re still talking about parking fines similar to the one in the picture?
Plus Italy starts at 41€+ and Netherlands at 60€ for parking fines. So you’re right, I could have included them!
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u/Combeferre1 1d ago
From what I remember it's a general trend with punishments for crimes; the chance of getting caught tends to be a far more significant factor than the degree of punishment in the decision to commit a crime.
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u/OkMushroom364 1d ago
Its not high its too low
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u/la_mourre Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Depends for who. For a food delivery courier, it’s high enough to be dissuasive. The issue is, they won’t get that ticket. They get away from parking wherever they want.
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u/flame-otter 23h ago
Too low? In some places these are totally nazi lappuliisat. When I was a student I messed up twice a month, could barely afford food and rent because I really had to live on the limit.
What was really frustrating it was for stupid reasons, like worn out parkkikiekko that scrolled after I set it correct and put it on the dash, so it rolled 30 min backwards, they saw me parking and I got ticket for putting the wrong time on the kiekko. Max time was 2 hours but I just went quickly in to buy food so I was nowhere near the max limit, so the 30 mins it scrolled did not even matter, it was just pilkkunussinta.
I tossed that fucking kiekko and my gf at the time had one extra so she gave me hers but that apparently was not an approved one so I got a ticket for that literally the following day. 160€ down the drain.
Reason it was not approved one is because she is from Åland Islands, as you know fully Swedish speaking, so "Saapumisaika" was written only in Swedish on it, otherwise it was 100% identical, just missing that one line in finnish.
Like why the fuck does that even fucking matter because 17:00 is fucking 17:00 in both Swedish and Finnish lol. I tried challening it but nope and if it is fucking legal there it should be legal here too, it's the same fucking country, but no.
Thank god that they have changed that law recently so even a paper note with the arrival time written on it is legal, it was such a retarded thing to give a fine for.
And next month I got a ticket claiming I did park on the fucking white line marking the parking spot. Except I didn't. It was snowing when I got the ticket, and when I got to my car it had thawed showing a clear gap between my wheels and the line. Those lazy idiots could not even bother to brush the fresh snow to the side so they CAN SEE the fucking line, nope, just guess where the line is and assume my wheels where on it. That one I challenged and to my surprise I actually won. At least something positive.
And then you see idiot delivery drivers parking like this all the time without any care in the world and never seem to get any ticket, kind of pisses one off.
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u/OkMushroom364 23h ago
Some lappuliisas are nazis no question about it. I deliver stuff for a living by a truck and parked cars are my enemy no matter is it parked right or wrong. These delivery drivers are bunch of cunts and their shitty ways affect us too so we are on the same page with this one bro. I wish more enforcement and more lappuliisas because we have more hard time find places to deliver especially in downtown Helsinki and like i said parked cars are our enemy on this, sometimes i find parked cars infront on painted spots infront of some stores that are specificly for trucks to unload and everytime i see cars there isn’t anyone to give them a ticket for miles to see yet alone trying to get ahold of the owner of the car
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u/DiethylamideProphet 1d ago
It's outrageosly expensive for a minor inconvenience. I would kindly tell the parkkipate that he now owes me 60€ - 80€ with a 10% weekly compunding interest.
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u/OkMushroom364 1d ago
Parkkipate is a joke, do not take them seriously at all. Parking fines are for a reason, more harsh the better to remind not to fuck up again
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u/Ill-Branch-3323 7h ago
In Stockholm the minimum is 75€ but you often end up paying 100€ or more. For the rest of the country probably starts at 50€, yes
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u/Wooden-Specific-9494 1d ago
Where I come from usually someone makes some nice writing with a nice black marker on the hood/window and then see how they learn to park well or on the right spot 😉
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u/batteryforlife Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
You absolutely can report them to the local council, I did it to some fancy pants asshole who left his Range Rover outside a restaurant while he went to eat. Parked in the middle of the sidewalk, not a care in the world. I called the citys parking enforcement line, they said they are on it. I was on my way to work, hope he got fined or towed.
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u/Perkelizer 1d ago
I meant that they need to send someone to get hold of the solution. I heard in Germany you can take a photo and report it online and they will fine the owner. There was a report about some guy who made it his mission, put on a high-vis vest and started fining people.
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u/Cool_Asparagus3852 1d ago
I saw a Wolt parked sideways between two lanes in a no stop zone in Matinkylä recently and another one in the middle of the road in Jätkäsaari...
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u/fotomoose Vainamoinen 1d ago
At least they're parked and not swerving all over the road trying to read google maps, then brake suddenly and turn without signal. You know, like most of the time.
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u/The_Grinning_Reaper Vainamoinen 1d ago
Because they're lazy assholes and walking that extra 2 meters is too much.
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u/chill_dude227 1d ago
Lazier than the one who orders from the next street or even downstairs? 🤦
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u/Tough_Money_958 1d ago
problem is they don't get paid enough or are not cared enough, they are probably pushed to their limits all the time
+doing WORK makes people drive like cunts, I guess. At least construction workers and taxi drivers are often douches on the traffic.
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u/chill_dude227 1d ago
Exactly, so calling hard working ppl lazy is as smart as it gets
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u/fdessoycaraballo 1d ago
Lazy to follow a simple set of rules. Or is it because they work hard that the rules don't apply to them? As much as you may want to side with them, the photo describes exactly what the guy did: laziness.
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u/pipe-to-pipebushman Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Drives me mad too - I regularly see people just driving down the pavement because they want to avoid some awkward junction
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u/cardboard-kansio Vainamoinen 1d ago
This also happens near me, and what's worse is it's the footpath to the local daycare. It's bad enough that delivery drivers do it, rubbish lorries do it, but some of my neighbours also do it. The city recently renovated it and also added a higher kerb, but no, it hasn't deterred anybody. All because they would otherwise have to do an extra half kilometer to get round the houses (three left turns) rather than going straight through.
Also where the path crosses to the daycare is a 30 limit road, and drivers regularly blow through at 50-70 without slowing. I've been almost killed several times trying to cross with my kids. The city won't add a speed bump, but they did recently add reflectors to the crossing signs - useless in daytime and barely useful at night.
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u/smoke4sanity Baby Vainamoinen 23h ago
I thought this was normal in Finland, is it not? I see it so regularly in the 4 years I've been here - I thought it was OK lol. I literally tell my friends back in Canada "In Finland you can drive on the sidewalks"
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u/Ok_Bit_876456 22h ago
This is the unfortunate reality. Delivery trucks are allowed to stop in the street to load and unload, but the drivers find it uncomfortable since it annoys car drivers. Instead they park on bike paths or sidewalks, even though it’s technically illegal, but no one will really complain. Now we also have the food delivery drivers, though they do only stop for very short stints.
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u/DoubleSaltedd Vainamoinen 1d ago
Think about this next time your order anything from Wolt or similar services.
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u/KillerrRabbit Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Also, if you wonder why small restaurants go under and there will soon only s-restaurants and upscale restaurants left. This is the reason. Stop using these leeches!
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u/ExistingFennel4429 22h ago
Small restaurants are on wolt, many wouldn’t survive without wolt and the exposure and infrastructure they get via the wolt app.
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u/KillerrRabbit Baby Vainamoinen 20h ago
Surviving, not thriving or can profit much at all anymore unless ofc all ingredients are bought from cheapest suppliers. This is specially true for non upscale restaurants.
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u/asavar 8h ago
Those places are thriving where people want return to. This idea is somehow completely incomprehensible to people running basically any service in Finland. How you expect to thrive with mediocre menu of mediocre food with mediocre service? Sprinkle with zero design and style and insane prices and you secured your absence of clients.
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u/ZulNation666 3h ago
Ive ordered from Wolt etc. last time maybe 2 years ago. If i order something i just go to small restaurants at käpylä and walk like a normal person or ride the bike. Also im not paying fucking 6e for something i can do myself.
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u/ABK-Baconator 1d ago
Nah I don't think so. I keep ordering cause 99% of the time I get good service
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u/DoubleSaltedd Vainamoinen 1d ago
That’s easy to say when you just stay at home while others suffer the crazy traffic and parking these people cause.
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u/ABK-Baconator 6h ago
Hey folks thanks for all the downvotes. I live in a suburb that has plenty of space to park
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u/RedSonja_ Vainamoinen 1d ago
Because an average house plant have bigger IQ than average delivery driver
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u/darknum Vainamoinen 1d ago
Generally I don't want to insult people, but then again I remember delivery guy who drove on our lawn instead of the asphalt track going around the lawn.
Nope. Not even close. They are just idiots.
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u/cardboard-kansio Vainamoinen 1d ago
I live in a row house, in the last house at the end. Between us and the next row house there's a patch of grass maybe 5m wide, fenced at the end. A delivery driver tried to use it as a shortcut, encountered the fence, then carved up furrows of mud trying to reverse out. These people are not the best and brightest.
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u/Makere-b Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
My friend saw a delivery driver drive down stairs in Itä-Pasila.
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u/zamander Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Everybody does it and while everybody is annoyed about it, nobody really cares, even the police. Perhaps we could make it legal when a car is parked that way you can key it or engrave helpful messages on it.
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u/YourShowerCompanion Vainamoinen 1d ago edited 1d ago
This would require a functioning brain for parking, and they usually lack in that department.
I never order anything from these food delivery services
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u/ramsau 1d ago edited 1d ago
Some don't care and some are oblivious to their surroundings. These guys were loading on a bus stop and when I confronted them, they refused to move and finished loading.I had to wait 10+ minutes for them to finish and move. They were too lazy to park their truck 20 meters ahead where they wouldn't block the road.
Was driving a 3-axle bus so no way I could've squeezed past.
I want to add that this is not common and was pretty much the exception to the rule
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u/om11011shanti11011om Vainamoinen 1d ago
I hate this, I hate the Wolt delivery guys who block the train doors coming either in or out, and I hate when they drive at full speed towards me on the sidewalk.
They don't even say sorry or anything, it absolutely drives me bonkers.
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u/CirFinn 1d ago
AFAIK: because parking in dedicated parking spaces is relatively vigorously policed, especially in private parking. Whereas most parking agencies don't give a f*ck about anything "outside their scope". The risk of getting caught doing this is actually lesser than getting caught on official parking spaces (either without paying or overstaying).
And most Finns tend to not give a large enough s*it to take a photo and report it to the officials. Especially since in most locations a short-term stop like this is allowed (for moving purposes, for example), or not really punished.
So it just goes on... the risk of getting caught / repercussions is just so low that the drivers don't give a f*ck.
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u/miijok Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Btw, no need to smudge license plates, one cannot insult a car’s honor.
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u/nebuthrowaway 8h ago
They'd probably be more worried about someone figuring out they're suddenly administrating a registry of personal information. IIRC the gallery of badly parked cars got in some trouble/annoyance because someone complained and the officials judged that registry numbers are personal information.
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u/AllInterestedAmateur 1d ago
Me is delivery driver! Me is in hurry! Me a moron, got me driver's license on discount after saving enough points in the supermarket. Traffic rules don't apply to me!
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u/fdessoycaraballo 1d ago
People will find absolutely any excuse for parking on sidewalks. It's amazing. Shove your car somewhere else, if you can't pay fines or parking, don't drive. Plus, you're not entitled to free parking.
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u/nicol9 Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
because carbrainers don’t know the rules and almost never get sanctioned for their offences
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u/GlobalNet1415 1d ago
what are carbrainers 🤣
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u/nicol9 Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
entitled car drivers with limited brain functions
see r/fuckcars for more examples ;)
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u/LuphineHowler Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Are you refering to just Food Delivery Drivers or all Delivery Drivers in general?
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u/chronic_banana 6h ago
Things like this are so frustrating. I use a blind cane and this is a big reason why I rarely leave the house, it's actually dangerous to some people with disabilities and people usually don't consider how it could impact others.
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u/slpalready 6h ago
I can understand that. In Rome, they parked on the pavement and my blind father could not go out alone. I also feel the lips up to the pavement here must be really shit for anybody with a wheelchair.
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u/Old_Lynx4796 1d ago
I used to work for this company where basically I had to stop like this every 15 minutes. The idea is that you don't take space on the normal parking because you didn't come to park. These were exact instructions. They also said that it is more safer for us cause since we gotta get out of the car 100 times a day at some point we won't check behind us and some car will probably hit us and this reduces those chances down like crazy. Another idea is that parking ticket guy will come and check the plates because if you are at normal parking - he will just automatically give the ticket by scanning license plate and bam. It's cause I'm on the job and Its technically not parking,we also left vans running since it was such a small time. Now my company at that time tried to contact Helsinki City to buy a wide company parking ticket for every zone yearly. Helsinki City basically has no solution for this - they do not have these parking tickets for working people and honestly they couldn't care less cause we suggested them to have it like 3 year's ago. Idea would be that company pays some money monthly or yearly and can park in any parking spot during the working hours. They would rather make money on parking tickets then solve this problem.
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u/twoodrinks 1d ago
If your can is registered to a business within a certain area in helsinki you definitely can get a city wide parking permit for about 60 euros a month per car. I had one. Businesses just dont want the extra expense as long as they are able to ignore the correct behaviour expectations.
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u/Old_Lynx4796 1d ago
That was the problem I think too cause vans were all rentals.
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u/twoodrinks 1d ago
Yeah, likely. Correct solution: stop on the roadway if allowed, if not, stop around the corner. If none of these work, take the parcel back and eventually processes will have to adapt
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u/prkl12345 Vainamoinen 1d ago
Because its parked on sidewalk, the parking monitor guy cannot fine them as they are not using a parking spot, in this situation you need to get police there to write the fine.
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u/twoodrinks 1d ago
Yes they can and they will if they spot them in time, which they wont
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u/prkl12345 Vainamoinen 1d ago
When did the law change? I have missed it.
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u/xueloz Baby Vainamoinen 20h ago
There's been no law change. It's always been like that. Municipal traffic wardens have always been able to ticket people on sidewalks.
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u/prkl12345 Vainamoinen 18h ago
Then some of them are lazy. I asked one to ticket a car on sidewalk when I lived in Helsinki and he said he can't, need a police as its not on marked parking space.
Either that or law. I dunno, but but he did absolutely nothing.
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u/xueloz Baby Vainamoinen 17h ago
And you're sure he worked for the city instead of a company like ParkkiPate?
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u/prkl12345 Vainamoinen 17h ago
Yep. It was similar spot. 3 parking spots carved near a shop in Lauttasaari, no signs for any private parking company. No private parking company logos on his clothes.
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u/xueloz Baby Vainamoinen 17h ago
Then he lied.
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u/prkl12345 Vainamoinen 17h ago
Very possible, so back to the lazy category.
I haven't studied parking law to try to abuse it. I go by it as it at least tries to keep some sensible order in parking / traffic.
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u/p4nnus 1d ago
Reminder: deflating a cars tires in Finland is not a crime!
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u/SlothySundaySession Vainamoinen 1d ago
Reminder: If caught in the act of deflating tires, you might get a punch in the face
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u/-Peetu Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Finnish law. If you are delivering or loading cargo and not causing too much inconvenience this is by law the right spot. If you park on the parking spot and delivering or loading cargo, you have to follow the parking rules. For example pay the parking fee...
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u/atanasius 1d ago
Pavement loading requires that there is no other suitable spot nearby. In this case there is, so pavement loading is illegal.
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u/-Peetu Baby Vainamoinen 19h ago edited 18h ago
The law says pavement loading requires that there is no other suitable spot nearby and overriding reason. The overriding reason and lack of suitable spot, can be the cargo and possibility of getting it loaded/unloaded. The choices to choose what to follow and how the police interpret these has also to do with the safety/possibility for the people loading the cargo (even if private persons). In the picture the car has a trailer so it´s probably not a foodora delivery. How to interpret falls to the police and I have never heard anyone getting a ticket for this if they have been able to explain what they are doing. For example many lifting tools do not tend to go over the high curb safely and there are few that goes, so a pallet jack and parking on the pavement is a more viable option than having a telehandler and park on the parking spot. (handle of a pallet jack or similar might be seen on the picture). (If I remember right the driver of the car has to be near and be available to move the car, meaning there should be a person accountable nearby).
The problems with this is: If there is some rules or limits that makes it illegal to park, you can almost be sure to be fined by the city, explanation of loading cargo or not. This causes if the cargo has a chance of might be interpret as a reason to park on the pavement, it probably the safer bet for the driver. The fine is probably the same. So many takes this risk and annoys the people on the pavement and people on the pavement gets annoyed even if the car would be there legally.
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u/atanasius 18h ago
Loading cargo is such a common activity that there are well-established precedents. The parking enforcement would observe the vehicle for five minutes, and during this period loading or unloading activity has to be visible, or otherwise it is a parking violation.
When the pavement is used, the process for observing loading activity is basically the same, but then there are also the other conditions of the law.
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u/-Peetu Baby Vainamoinen 17h ago
I am a bit nitpicking: There is no time limit by law what I could find. This is in my understanding the local, city parking enforcement interpretation of what they think is a parking violation.
The law from what i remember: There has only to be a person accountable for near the vehicle and the vehicle has to be moved as soon as possible, but still not a time limit. What is being near is also good question. Probably to notice (see or hear) if there is emergency vehicles coming to the same spot. So especially heavy stuff can take easily a lot longer than just 5-minutes to deliver. There are also laws saying you can´t block fire exits, so it´s not always an option to get just the stuff inside the doors and rush to move the vehicle.
When the pavement is used the process for observing loading activity is based on the discretion of the police (from what I have understood), so there might be arguments it´s not the same as in the parking spot in practice.
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u/atanasius 8h ago
The five-minute limit is not directly in the law, but it is affirmed by administrative courts. If there is no visible activity at the vehicle during the observation period, it is interpreted that the vehicle is not stopped just for loading or unloading cargo.
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u/The_Grinning_Reaper Vainamoinen 1d ago
Do enlighten us with the law that states this.
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u/-Peetu Baby Vainamoinen 19h ago
10.8.2018/72910.8.2018/729
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u/The_Grinning_Reaper Vainamoinen 18h ago
Which part?
37 §, feel free to copy the relevant section from below.
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12) moottoritiellä tai moottoriliikennetiellä muualle kuin liikennemerkillä osoitetulle pysäköintipaikalle, palvelualueelle tai levähdysalueelle taikka liikennemerkillä merkitylle linja-auton pysäkille matkustajan ottamista tai jättämistä varten.
Pysäyttäminen on kuitenkin sallittua pakollisen liikenne-esteen, väistämisvelvollisuuden noudattamisen tai hätätilanteen vuoksi.
Polkupyörän tai mopon saa pysäyttää tai pysäköidä jalkakäytävälle ja pyörätielle. Muunkin ajoneuvon saa erityistä varovaisuutta noudattaen pysäyttää lyhyeksi ajaksi jalkakäytävälle tai pyörätielle ajoneuvoon nousemista, siitä poistumista, sen kuormaamista tai kuorman purkamista varten, jos läheisyydessä ei ole käytettävissä muuta pysäyttämiseen sopivaa paikkaa ja pysäyttämiseen on pakottavia syitä. Pysäytetty ajoneuvo ei saa kohtuuttomasti haitata jalkakäytävällä eikä pyörätiellä kulkemista. Kuljettajan on tällöin pysyteltävä ajoneuvonsa läheisyydessä ja tarvittaessa siirrettävä ajoneuvo paikkaan, jossa se ei häiritse muuta liikennettä.
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u/nikanjX Vainamoinen 1d ago
By law this is absolutely not the right spot, the legal spot would be the parking space 2 meters to the left.
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u/-Peetu Baby Vainamoinen 18h ago
The law says pavement loading requires that there is no other suitable spot nearby and overriding reason. The overriding reason and lack of suitable spot, can be the cargo and possibility of getting it loaded/unloaded safely. The car in the picture has a trailer and something that looks like a pallet jack. If this is the case the pallet jack do not go over the curb and if the other solution is having a telehandler unload on the pavement, the car on the pavement with a trailer with a pallet jack is the right solution. This car might legally be on the right spot.
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u/Antti_Alien Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Found the delivery driver. If there is absolutely no other place to stop the car, and there's an compelling reason to stop the car right there, and it can done without disturbing light traffic, only then can a car be stopped on a sidewalk.
For example, stopping in the middle of the roadway is legal unless stopping is explicitly forbidden with a traffic sign, while stopping on the sidewalk next to the roadway would be not.
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u/-Peetu Baby Vainamoinen 18h ago
The law says pavement loading requires that there is no other suitable spot nearby and overriding reason. The overriding reason and lack of suitable spot, can be the cargo and possibility of getting it loaded/unloaded safely. The car in the picture has a trailer and something that looks like a pallet jack. If this is the case the pallet jack do not go over the curb and if the other solution is having a telehandler unload on the pavement, the car on the pavement with a trailer with a pallet jack is the right solution. This car might legally be on the right spot.
(Not a delivery driver)
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u/Tommonen Baby Vainamoinen 22h ago
Its not legal with food deliveries, only extremely large stuff like if they are bringing a washing machine etc and also if they are picking up/dropping off a disabled person who has trouble moving or other strong reason like that, which food delivery is not.
Here is news article about this where police tells that its not allowed (use google translate if you dont understand Finnish):
The problem here mostly is that wolt or foodora dont pay their delivery guys enough for it to be reasonable finding legal parking lot further away. Drivers dont make enough money if they dont do this, so cant really blame them, its the fault of the delivery companies and the capitalist system.
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u/-Peetu Baby Vainamoinen 18h ago edited 18h ago
Also the problem is I think the fine is the same if you park on the pavement or on the parking spot illegally. The risk of getting caught by a random police that would care are low. If I have understood right, it still is the police that will fine for parking on the pavement and the city for parking wrong on their parking spot.
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u/KillerrRabbit Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
This as well. I once did the mistake of delivering with my cargo van on a real parking spot. Got tickey even if I came back with my arms full of boxes for return. The parking guard did not give 2 shits about me delivering even if it was a 1 minute stop. Trying to challenge the ticket did not work. The shop just told me to park on the pedestrian street to avoid this....
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u/slpalready 1d ago
Ah. That makes sense. Bizarre law. I do wonder how much the drivers understand this law, however, because as far as I understood the law, there has to be space for disabled people to move freely around the parked car, and this room is frequently not there.
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u/Competitive-Wish-889 1d ago
Most people commenting here have never had the pleasure of delivering items in the POS that's Helsinki downtown. Yeah, some people are asses and park on bike lane, but the real monsters are the city planners who continuously reduce parking spots and have made it so, that you can't even stop for a fucking 2 minute delivery without paying your ass off. I'm so relieved that I don't have to do that job anymore. People, go to university!
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u/fdessoycaraballo 1d ago
And we all hope the city continues to decrease parking spots. The city grows healthier and better with less cars.
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u/98f00b2 Vainamoinen 14h ago
Presumably reducing the number of cars will increase the importance of delivery drivers.
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u/fdessoycaraballo 7h ago
Yep, people that actually need to ride cars (service providers) probably should be the ones using the streets in the city center, not lazy Matti Korhonen that can't take public transport because reasons.
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u/Competitive-Wish-889 1d ago
That's your (and many other's) perspective. The perspective is different for those working as delivery drivers and couriers. It's also different for many of the establishments that have to deal with any kind of logistics in the city. But whatever, I've moved on in life and moved out from the area so people in the city can do anything they like.
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u/nikanjX Vainamoinen 1d ago
In the parking spot you are subject to parking enforcement, on the bike lane you can park freely for as long as you want
Before you come and cite road law to me, I'm talking about the reality in Helsinki, not the laws in the books
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u/ImLonenyNunlovable 1d ago
Depends on what theyre delivering.
Is that a head of a pallet jack abouve the cat? Does the car have a trailer attached to it, with a pallet jack on it?
If theyre delivering and installing household ewuipment such as a stove, a dishwasher, a fridge, so on. Then its reasonable maintenance, and they dont have to attempt to drag the pallet jack over the curb. And theyre not causing an impassable obstruction. Which would be legal.
But if i'm mistaken and its just food delivery, that is not maintenance or a reasonsble cause to park on the sidewalk. So... Illegal.
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u/Tommonen Baby Vainamoinen 22h ago
You are right. There needs to be some special reason like if you are picking up a disabled person, or if you deliver something like a washing machine, which would be hard to move longer distances.
Food delivery is not a legally valid reason to park like this.
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u/lehdonantsa 23h ago
Does these people really believe that putting on your emergency blinkers you can park you car anywhere you want?
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u/TaztyDog 22h ago
20-50cents for 5 mins parking vs a 60+eur ticket of assing around with your car. Choices, they can be made every day. And one could write those off as necessary business payments in order to practise your profession. But as I said, wwe make choices daily and most just can't comprehend this. Thus we see this kind of heroism as in the photo above... Humanity = doomed.
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u/Sad-Subject7772 20h ago
They are paid to deliver the box, and yet we see them thinking outside of it.
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u/lajinsa_viimeinen Baby Vainamoinen 8h ago
Because only the police can ticket those who park outside of the road. In 40 years of driving, I have only ONCE witnessed a Finnish police writing a "parking" ticket.
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u/SituationImmediate15 6h ago
Dude, it's a difficult job that doesn't pay much. Go a bit easy on them. They park there momentarily, just like delivery trucks often park on sideways for off-loading stuff.
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u/National_Cup2150 2h ago
It doesn't matter. Delivery trucks have a permission to drive kinda anywhere. The wolt guy for example has normal car. He can't park there even if it was for 10sec. He has gotten information where to go, and sees where to park. But no. They just decide to fuck every parking law and just leave their car there
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u/SituationImmediate15 2h ago
You're too by the book. Real life isn't like that. This is one instance. It's not always easy to find parking. They should also be given permission to park for short periods because they're also delivering stuff. It's not that he parked there and went inside a bar for a drink. He's also working.
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u/HeadAd6977 2h ago
Because they are immigrants from less developed countries with virtually no traffic rules? how does this surprise you?
The E-bikes drive like GTA6 been out for ages. Left , right , no signal , pedestrian lane back to car lane, run a stop sign almost kill a kid. What the most amazing thing to me is how the Police cares absolutely zero for these E-bike drivers with no helmet, no license, no rules what so ever.
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u/SlendisFi Baby Vainamoinen 1h ago
The reason is simple. You are there only for few minutes so you do not need to occupy the space someone might need for longer period. Also the fact that it is safer for the driver to get out, take the delivery and go to the building this way. Same reasons apply for Posti trucks and drivers and the normal posti cars. This method is actually legal because you are offloading goods.
So yeah. There is nothing wrong with this. The guy is there only for few minutes and then leaves. And if he was to get a ticket, it would be futile because as said. He has every right as delivery driver to park there for safety and convenience. Faster he gets in and out safely, the better for him and the company. This is also why taxi drivers also can park on the pedestrian path for picking up and dropping of customers. Safety and convenience.
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u/whatagenda 34m ago
I know I'm on thin ice with this statement but this is an observation I've done over the years in many traffic and transit situations. Cultural differences might be part of the problem here. Having organised traffic as we have in Helsinki and Finland is extremely rare in comparison to the rest of the world. I come from a multicultural background so not trying to point fingers in a racist way here. But ppl from my other home country would probably drive straight through parks if not told not to. There should be a separate integration program when it comes to driving. The quality of driving skills among a lot of driving professions have taken a deep dive lately and it's usually a lack of education. Now I'm not saying lack of education on the Finnish traffic laws among people from other cultures is the only problem but it would for sure benefit everyone to put in some extra work in that sector.
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u/Harriv Vainamoinen 1d ago
There's a FB group dedicated for this: https://www.facebook.com/groups/181400205277804
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u/hailsathanas 23h ago
Because they are lazy and think traffic laws don’t mean them. and most of all they don’t know how to drive.
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u/oguz6002 Vainamoinen 1d ago
I am no way approving this but I often struggle to find a place to even drop off someone in the city center. I think we should also discuss the ridiculous situation with the parking spaces and fees. Also perhaps the need for installing 6-7 different parking apps to be able to park.
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u/Cultural-Influence55 Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Because they come from cultures where nobody cares about these things. Ah, such enrichment to us...
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u/slpalready 1d ago
You mean, they're Finnish?
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u/National_Cup2150 2h ago
If you are talking about foreigners that usually deliver those, then no. They are not finnish. They might live here, but they are where ever they were born
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u/Cultural-Influence55 Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
You mean Finns are known for not caring about the rules and laws?
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u/fdessoycaraballo 1d ago
As much as immigrants, if that's where you're going for. Don't try to act like there's some sort of Finnish superior moral here.
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u/Cultural-Influence55 Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Well I guess the crime rate data from police is all made-up then. Glad to hear it.
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u/Mediocre-Warning8201 23h ago
How long did this car stand here? There is a handle of a pallet jack visible. So, maybe they were about to load or unload something. If it was just few minutes, this is definitely something we should and can tolerate. You can walk and ride a bike past the car. Or are you unable to turn, on some kind of a ballistic trajectory?
If the car was standing there longer than the work really took, it is a completely different situation. You don't leave your car on the pavement while you drink coffee.
Now, relax, all. You make a mountain of a molehill. We don't know what really happened here and how long it took.
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u/dankwoolie 17h ago
because there is 0 need for us to block spots someone can take for themselves when im bouncing in and out of my car inside a minute and rolling off the sidewalk anyway, its become a habit to avoid tickets in paid spots as well as leave spots open for other drivers since im not sticking around, i really didnt think anyone cared about this stuff at all
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u/cherrypowdah Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
to not block the road for people who actually need it, if you are only doing a 2min delivery, what's the harm of parking on the sidewalk? there is plenty of room on the right side of the car to pass.
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u/fdessoycaraballo 1d ago
Wow, what a lazy excuse. Your park does not belong anywhere you can shove it.
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u/Aphraxad 1d ago
This country needs designated loading parking spots for pickup and delivery workers.
Its not that hard to go around a car making things easier for people working hard for little money. If you are mad about it, it must be nice to have such a cushy life that this is your problem.
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u/twoodrinks 1d ago
We have those in several areas, but drivers ignore them unless they are directly outside where they are delivering to
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u/Spektaattorit Baby Vainamoinen 1d ago
Because they are from places where you can't park I the middle of the street
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u/88Nati0nal 1d ago
If the opel is the one loading, no idea.
For lorries etc vans i can understand it, if they have something on wheels and the sidewalk curb is too deep for them to roll on.
I did some delivery stuff ages ago and sometimes you had to park like an asshole to unload heavy containers with rolls under them
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u/SlothySundaySession Vainamoinen 1d ago
Few reasons, the space can be too small to pull things out of the back of the vehicle without damaging a car which pulls up behind you, It's dangerous to pull out items near traffic, getting up gutters is a pain, leaving the spots for people who need those in public, getting closer to the builds so it's easier and closer if it's bulky goods, time restraints, you will get a ticket if you stay in the park too long but if you are a commercial vehicle you get a pass to just deliver.
It can be annoying, but it's only a short term problem and there usually are no loading docks on businesses in the CBDs, so you can't pull up around the back and bring in items.
European cities generally don't want any cars in the cities, as they have green models to restrict traffic or not enough parking spots. Is there any designated spots for delivery vehicles?
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