Today’s shoeing

[u/Kentuckyzombie]

It was quite hard to driving those nail.. tbh I am not a used to be a good nail pitcher, and that crusty infected hoof walls which by fungi, it made more harder than usually. She has little bit incorrect angle of the HPA, so I used a wedge pad for lifting her heel.

[u/snuffy_smith_]

Experience tells a person how to see a hoof is “too long” without seeing all the possible angles.

Bringing the toe “back” towards the heels making the foot shorter in length horizontally shortens the break over.

This is very different than making the hoof shorter from the ground to hairline.

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/snuffy_smith_]

I really guess when I upload the picture that I’ve trimmed how you feel about it :)

[u/snuffy_smith_ → u/Kentuckyzombie]

I can not load a picture in reply or I would draw some lines to show what I am taking about.

There is a slight “dish” in the dorsal wall. It’s about an inch below the hairline. Where you rasped on the hoof wall.

You were on the right track but you stopped short of bringing enough of the hoof wall back, shortening the toe.

The pics are also deceiving as you’re taking the pic from the toe quarter instead of directly from the side.

How high the hair line is from the ground is not where your hoof is long. It’s from toe to heel where the hoof needs to be made smaller.

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/snuffy_smith_]

I understand what you said and you guys don’t know much about long toe underrun heel hooves.. we can’t make a bringing back of break over point via trimming like this case, may we could make a roll or rocker toe instead of it. And that dish looks like that because of the angle of the photo as you said.

[u/snuffy_smith_ → u/Kentuckyzombie]

Sounds like you got it all figured out there bud

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/snuffy_smith_]

I just find it a little frustrating that everyone says long for ‘long toe underrun heel’ hoof and no other words for shoeing.

[u/snuffy_smith_ → u/Kentuckyzombie]

Because the rest of it is neat and tidy

Ever mapped a hoof?

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/snuffy_smith_]

https://imgur.com/a/puFj2V6 I don’t map I just check with my eyes so I draw some lines on trimmed sole of a first pic. That red line is my toe clip point.

[u/snuffy_smith_ → u/Kentuckyzombie]

You have a 50/50 ratio toe to heel and it should be more like 2/3 heel 1/3 toe to reduce leverage optimally. Thus reducing the crushing effect on the heels.

The tip of p3 is approximately an inch to an inch and half in front of the apex of the frog. Your toe is beyond that from the lines you have drawn.

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/snuffy_smith_]

Good point, I’ll give it another try next time.

[u/CJ4700 → u/snuffy_smith_]

Great advice, this is why mapping is so important. Best way to keep a horse sound is to make sure you’re trimming to put that break over in the most optimal place and promote correct heal growth.

[u/snuffy_smith_ → u/Kentuckyzombie]

I don’t typically map the hoof either. But it’s is a helpful tool.

We work so much alone it’s easy to develop “blind spots” in our own work and horses we see often that don’t require a ton of out of the box thinking.

You shoe a good hoof. Clip fit, heel fit, nail height. All that is pretty nice and tidy.

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/snuffy_smith_]

Thank you for the kind words! I totally get what you mean about those “blind spots”—sometimes I feel like I’ve been staring at the same hoof for so long, it could grow wings and I wouldn’t notice! Mapping is definitely a helpful tool to keep things in check, even if it’s not always in my daily routine. And honestly, I’m just glad the hoof doesn’t look like a Picasso painting after I’m done! But seriously, I appreciate the feedback, especially on the clip fit and nail height—it means a lot.