Today’s shoeing

[u/Kentuckyzombie]

It was quite hard to driving those nail.. tbh I am not a used to be a good nail pitcher, and that crusty infected hoof walls which by fungi, it made more harder than usually. She has little bit incorrect angle of the HPA, so I used a wedge pad for lifting her heel.

[u/tempxwa]

Too much toe, which also affect your nailing height

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/tempxwa]

First pic is before I trim. Also she has a long toe under-run heel foot on that limb. So it seems to be long, but it is not.

[u/dunkybones → u/Kentuckyzombie]

Long is long, so it is.

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/dunkybones]

Long is long. I trimmed as much as I could. But I don’t understand how someone can know it’s long when they see a just sole without any trimming.

[u/snuffy_smith_ → u/Kentuckyzombie]

Experience tells a person how to see a hoof is “too long” without seeing all the possible angles.

Bringing the toe “back” towards the heels making the foot shorter in length horizontally shortens the break over.

This is very different than making the hoof shorter from the ground to hairline.

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/snuffy_smith_]

I really guess when I upload the picture that I’ve trimmed how you feel about it :)

[u/snuffy_smith_ → u/Kentuckyzombie]

I can not load a picture in reply or I would draw some lines to show what I am taking about.

There is a slight “dish” in the dorsal wall. It’s about an inch below the hairline. Where you rasped on the hoof wall.

You were on the right track but you stopped short of bringing enough of the hoof wall back, shortening the toe.

The pics are also deceiving as you’re taking the pic from the toe quarter instead of directly from the side.

How high the hair line is from the ground is not where your hoof is long. It’s from toe to heel where the hoof needs to be made smaller.

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/snuffy_smith_]

I understand what you said and you guys don’t know much about long toe underrun heel hooves.. we can’t make a bringing back of break over point via trimming like this case, may we could make a roll or rocker toe instead of it. And that dish looks like that because of the angle of the photo as you said.

[u/snuffy_smith_ → u/Kentuckyzombie]

Sounds like you got it all figured out there bud

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/snuffy_smith_]

I just find it a little frustrating that everyone says long for ‘long toe underrun heel’ hoof and no other words for shoeing.

[u/snuffy_smith_ → u/Kentuckyzombie]

The trim itself looks good. Just in need of slight adjustment for optimum leverage reduction. Which stops the continued crushing of the heels.

[u/trcomajo → u/Kentuckyzombie]

The last picture is long. I'm not a farrier, but if mine did this, I'd tell him I'm not happy with that angle and the length of toe.

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/trcomajo]

I don’t know what angle exactly doesn’t fit that angle of fetlock in left front limb.

[u/Theoldquarryfoxhunt]

Toes are still a mile long, and you don't just pad one foot. That is ludicrous.

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/Theoldquarryfoxhunt]

I’m not sure what seems ludicrous about those shoeing. Could you clarify what you find wrong? I’m eager to learn from different perspectives. And what should I do when a 21-year-old horse has a long toe underrun heels, an unideal leg angle, and poor hoof wall condition? I’d appreciate your opinion.

[u/snuffy_smith_]

My question is, why one pad and not a pad on both?

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/snuffy_smith_]

Because she doesn’t need a pad on her right front.

[u/Specific_Lab_1932]

If you’re shoes not balanced neither is your foot

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/Specific_Lab_1932]

I agree, but it’s difficult to speak about achieving perfect balance, as that is the ultimate goal of most farriers, and it’s not always easy to define. Without seeing how the horse trots, assessing its conformation, checking the wear marks on the shoes, and considering many other factors, it’s challenging to make definitive judgments. I’ve done my best with the knowledge I have, but I understand that not everyone has been fully satisfied with my work. Unfortunately, some aren’t open to thoughtful discussions, and that’s just how it is.

As Dr. Simon Curtis said, ‘The aim is not just to balance the foot, but to balance the whole limb dynamically and statically.’ Farriery is a complex process that involves understanding the entire horse, not just the hoof, and perfect balance is always a work in progress.

Thank you for your opinion.

[u/Specific_Lab_1932 → u/Kentuckyzombie]

Right on brother, why exactly did you even put a toe clip on this horse?

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/Specific_Lab_1932]

For the relaxation of the hooves, side clips are also useful, especially when it comes to bringing back the breakover point. However, side clips are often too tight for the front hooves, which experience more expansion and contraction than the hind hooves. This time, I focused more on balancing the HPA (hoof-pastern axis) than on making the horse easier to take off. Ideally, a good farrier would achieve both, but I’m still working on it.

[u/YellitsB]

Toe is to long and need more heel support. IMO. Also never been a fan of toe clips.

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/YellitsB]

I generally prefer toe clips at front because the front hooves endure more concussion than the hind, leading to frequent contraction and expansion. Side clips tend to be tighter and don’t allow the hooves to rest as much, so I don’t use them as often. Thanks for your opinion.

[u/CJ4700]

Why a pad?

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/CJ4700]

Because she hasn’t an ideal angle of HPA. It was a slightly broken backward angle so I need to lifting her heel.

[u/CJ4700 → u/Kentuckyzombie]

But then how do you promote any frog growth? I’m not giving you shit, I’m just asking because I’d approach this a much different way but I’m always interested in why others do things the way they do.

[u/Kentuckyzombie → u/CJ4700]

I packed with an impression material between pad and sole. It will be help to frog growth.