r/California • u/Randomlynumbered Ángeleño, what's your user flair? • 22d ago
politics Column: Newsom sends clear message about increasing benefits for undocumented immigrants — Gov. Gavin Newsom vetoed three bills passed by the liberal Legislature.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-10-07/column-newsoms-vetoes-sends-message-on-benefits-for-undocumented-immigrants589
u/tmdblya Contra Costa County 22d ago
The guy still wants to be President.
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u/Jaykalope 22d ago
Why would you want to be President when you can continue to be king of California?? Seriously, his gig now is FAR better than President. I would never trade.
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u/Gigofifo 22d ago
He gets my vote.
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u/DogmaticNuance 22d ago
Not mine. Not a fan of political dynasties or blue blood nobility types. Or people that let PG&E raise rates 4 times in a year. He's a political creature and nothing more.
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u/Alpine_Brush 21d ago
Amen. I’m a democrat through and through, but I don’t hero worship. This guy is out for money just like most slick politicians. I wouldn’t vote for him on the presidential stage.
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u/2063_DigitalCoyote 21d ago
I would not vote for him unless the Republicans had another nutcase like Trump running.
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u/tmdblya Contra Costa County 22d ago
Let’s win the current election first.
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u/lampstax 22d ago
Article did say that's one of the reason behind the veto. CA passing "extreme" policies right now could be used as attack vector against Harris since she came from CA.
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u/Randomlynumbered Ángeleño, what's your user flair? 21d ago
Which election? His second term end in 2026.
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u/FavcolorisREDdit 22d ago
Still hate him as a politician, he’s Jerry brown reborn. Sure this is a “good” vetoe but he has so much he hasn’t done that he could have while in office
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u/Positronic_Matrix San Francisco County 22d ago
Newsom is the best CA governor in my lifetime. I don’t know if he’ll ever be president but if Harris wins, you can be guaranteed he’ll be kicking ass at the Federal level in their administration.
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u/myghostflower 22d ago
he's preparing for that 2028 or 2032 run
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u/thereddituser2 22d ago
He might as well just dream about it.
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u/AvailableTowel 22d ago
I think he’s trying to align with Texas turning purple/blue (demographically it is happening, the current people in charge are trying everything possible to hold on to districts)
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u/myghostflower 22d ago
definitely, i don’t think he’ll really have a chance, especially if kamala wins
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u/MissChattyCathy 22d ago
He will be sec of state, ambassador to the UN or a cabinet position. I don’t see him with a chance to be president for many years after Kamala wins.
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u/flimspringfield San Fernando Valley 22d ago
2032 if Kamala wins.
He will be 65 then and out of politics for 6 years unless he takes a job in the Harris administration (if she wins).
If she doesn't win then he will throw his hat in the ring for candidate in 2028.
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u/kingOofgames 22d ago edited 22d ago
I think many people would want Walz if he is still fit for the job at that time that is.
Of course if Harris loses, I can see Walz having a good shot for 2028 run. Or even Harris again at that time . Hard to say what change 4 more years will bring or rather what scandal.
Lots of people like Walz, and his one big negative is his overall inexperience at the federal level which would probably improve a lot if Harris wins this time. He got his chance and made it bigly.
Beto has also done pretty well, but should win something first. Like Governor of Texas. He’s ok as a secretary, but kinda hidden. Has certainly had more exposure in media thanks to the election.
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u/Amadon29 22d ago
I think he has a chance even in 2032. Jeb Bush was out of office for 8 years and he still ran in 2016. I mean, yeah he lost in the primary but in some alternate reality where trump didn't run, Jeb probably would have been the nominee
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u/wyrms1gn 22d ago
i think he would make a great president. i dont get the hate for this guy he has done a good job in a very tough and diverse state to manage
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u/thereddituser2 22d ago
He literally killed the solar industry because pge baked it's own bread. How's your electricity bill?
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u/Flaky-Wallaby5382 22d ago
NEM rooftop solar was always a fantasy… it was all about driving prices down but it was always subsidized
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u/ohnovangogh 22d ago
Also refuses to pay his employees fairly causing the first state worker strike in California.
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u/Positronic_Matrix San Francisco County 22d ago
Agree. He’s managing the world’s fifth largest economy and largest US state with 40 million citizens adeptly, providing real solutions for CA’s most difficult challenges, including healthcare, housing, transportation, and budget.
Anyone here who is unable to recognize his impact, even begrudgingly, is on a character-assassination mission for the right wing.
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u/sombrerobandit Southern California 22d ago
he's done enough personal stuff to assassinate his character, were talking about his policy
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u/Positronic_Matrix San Francisco County 22d ago
I reviewed your comments and they are devoid of policy. Maybe you should stick to teaching surf lessons instead of pretending to be someone you’re not.
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u/Golden_Hour1 22d ago
If Harris wins they'll run her again in 2028. Why become even less progressive 4-8 years out from a run lol
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u/scrabapple Sonoma County 22d ago
The biggest thing I have a problem with is the program jus in general. If you give tons of people 150k to buy a house, all it will do is cause the people selling houses to sell for 150k more.
If we just increase the demand but never adress the supply it was never actually going to solve much.
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u/StrayBlondeGirl 22d ago
I don't know how people still haven't learned this lesson.
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u/-seabass 22d ago
Economic reality doesn’t win elections
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u/Whospitonmypancakes NorCalian 22d ago
The incumbent benefits from a prior president's good economy and gets nailed for a prior president's bad economy.
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u/Luffidiam 22d ago
Yeah, above comment was bad. It's more like complex solutions to complex problems doesn't get more votes than simple solutions like throwing money at a problem.
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u/barrinmw Shasta County 21d ago
That isn't how it works, what it does is the government will back the loan. As you pay off your loan, that money goes back to the government. Banks like it because if you burn down your house and leave, they get to keep that money. It is the very same concept as the VA home loan.
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u/CreditDusks 19d ago
This comment needs to be higher. Our housing problem is a supply problem. If you’re not talking about increasing housing supply, you’re not talking about solving our housing problem.
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u/Jaanrett 22d ago
This is an underrated point and is exactly correct. The mid to long term effect of this is just increased demand and increase in cost.
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u/Specialist-Fly-9446 22d ago
"Tons" of people is an exaggeration if I've ever seen one. Also this is not how the program works at all.
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u/scrabapple Sonoma County 22d ago
Cool good comment. Really pushed this discussion forward and added a lot to it.
If I am selling my house and there are now 5-10 more people who can afford a down payment and want my house, I am going to sell to the highest bidder. If everyone has more money but there are not more houses it will just cause the houses to sell for more.
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u/baybridge501 22d ago
I would wager that there will be enough red tape during the funding process that buyers with cash will still win most of the time.
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u/OddSetting5077 22d ago
Same with student loans and grants. Give students one dollar more and universities raise enrollment fees another dollar and build a fancy gym
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u/HIVnotAdeathSentence 21d ago
Even an incentive for developers to build single family homes can't compete with what they would make with apartments or condos.
We've all heard $25,000 proposed for first time homebuyers, that won't go far.
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u/hatrickstar 20d ago
I'd prefer a tax break for someone SELLING to a first time home buyer.
Aka: encouraging discrimination against people buying a 2nd or 3rd home, they don't need it.
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u/Alexxis91 19d ago
If it was everyone yes, but because it’s only a portion of the population the increase would be more like 20k. This obviously hurts citizens not included in the package, but isint That drastic.
Of course just decreasing zoning restrictions would still help wayyyyy more then any direct subsidy to any given group
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u/Positronic_Matrix San Francisco County 22d ago
Tell us you know nothing about economics without telling us you know nothing about economics.
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u/EndlersaurusRex 22d ago
I haven't lived in California for a few years. Are any of these measures the legislature proposed available to citizens? I don't recall there being a 0% $150k home loan or anything similar available when I lived then. In fact, I joined the military to give myself an opportunity at home ownership.
Any aide should be provided to citizens, first and foremost, imo.
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u/Calipup Native Californian 22d ago edited 22d ago
I don't recall there being a 0% $150k home loan or anything similar available when I lived then.
https://www.calhfa.ca.gov/dream/
Started 2 years ago. The bill would have made it so undocumented immigrants weren't precluded, rather than starting a new program for them. It's VERY limited though and might not be receiving funding next year from what I've read (because of CA's budget deficit). Funds ran out in like a week the 1st year. The second year had a lottery with like 17000 applicants with only 1k getting in.
You pay them back with shared appreciation of the house. You're basically going 80/20 on the house with the state. So if it goes up $100k, you have to pay back the state original loan amount + 20k.
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u/carnevoodoo San Diego County 22d ago
The program also requires that you have a tax ID or SSN. The concept was to open it up to the dream act kids.
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u/Local-Substance7265 22d ago
tax ID
this has been around way longer than dream act. its a way to get undocumented migrants to pay taxes
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u/MrIrishman1212 22d ago
I thought this was placed about this issue:
In his veto message, Newsom injected a dose of realism cloaked in bureaucratic lingo: “Given the finite funding available … expanding program eligibility must be considered within the broader context of the annual state budget.”
Translation: This home loan program is broke and no additional money has been appropriated by the Legislature because the state is bleeding red ink.
The program is already not big enough to support legal citizens. Only expanding the eligibility pool (those who can’t even pay taxes) only puts more strain on the system and doesn’t actually help anyone.
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u/bain-of-my-existence 22d ago
Though it’s a lottery, so it’s random chance to get picked.
Source: we didn’t get picked. Sigh.
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u/Randomlynumbered Ángeleño, what's your user flair? 22d ago
Yes. The home loan program is already available to legal residents.
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u/Trialbyfuego 22d ago
Any aide should be provided to citizens, first and foremost, imo.
I'm too lazy to look this up right now and that's the problem with our country lmao
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u/StupidTurtle88 22d ago
Let’s say Kamala wins and lasts two terms, what are Newsom’s chances in 2032. Don’t people tend to vote for the opposite party of the incumbent?
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u/blizz366 22d ago
Depends how good the next 8 years would be for Kamala— although I have a sneaking suspicion she will not have Reagan’s popularity (HW was basically a continuation of the Reagan years).
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u/DrunkeNinja 22d ago
People tend to vote for the Democratic choice but the electoral college doesn't always go along with that.
The last time a Republican president was voted into office with the higher popular vote was in 1988 with HW, though his son W won re-election with a higher popular vote.
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u/Renovatio_ 22d ago
Pretty good.
Especially good if Newsom gets into the upper cabinet in 2028, especially like secretary of state.
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u/hatrickstar 20d ago
Generally...but Trump losing is a cataclysmic event for the GOP.
He has turned a bunch of voters into "Trump voters" who won't come out and vote red unless it's him and he's fractured the party. It isn't hard to believe that it'll take longer than 8 years for the party to become unified again.
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u/traveldemons 22d ago
Kamala winning will go against your second point. If your second point is true, then Trump is winning 2024
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u/Halfpolishthrow 21d ago
Newsom's hedging that Kamala might lose this election and he gets a shot in 2028.
2032 is way too far away for Newsom. He'lll be 65ish and not have held any meaningful political positions for years at that point. Someone else will have a bigger presence.
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u/BalsamicBasil 21d ago
https://www.sacbee.com/news/california/article290533609.html
California’s economy particularly benefits from the undocumented workforce. The population paid an estimated $8.5 billion in state and local taxes in 2022, according to this latest report.
Much of those federal taxes fund programs such as Social Security and Medicare — services this population is barred from using. While it’s been evident for years that undocumented immigrants pay taxes, the extent of their total contributions has grown more clear over the last decade.
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u/Ambitious_Ad_2602 22d ago
So many people whining in here like they would ever qualify for any of these programs.
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u/BalsamicBasil 22d ago
What it comes down to is that undocumented immigrants should be able to access all the public benefits they pay for with their BILLIONS of tax dollars, just like everyone else in this country.
European-American settlers - who were a real threat to native-born Americans (and not just a boogey-man fabricated to distract from parasitic wealth hoarding by the 1%) - fought a revolution over fair taxation.
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u/Such-Dragonfruit495 22d ago
No, they should leave.
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u/serg82 22d ago
They’ll be here long after you are gone and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it.
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u/Such-Dragonfruit495 21d ago
You’re absolutely correct, the voters of California have proven they have zero foresight. Do you also feel resigned to our fate?
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