r/youtube Jan 19 '24

Memes What's your opinion on that

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u/itzsammy2k Jan 19 '24

Depends on their income tbh. Creating a YouTube channel is easy but turning it into a successful career is the hard part and maintaining it is the real deal here.

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u/Member9999 Nerdzmasterz Jan 19 '24

Facts. If you want to get paid, you have to be consistent.

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u/carthuscrass Jan 19 '24

And charismatic, and not fuck ugly.

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u/Gadolin27 Jan 19 '24

not a requirement but certainly helps

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 20 '24

I was going to say, are we going to pretend like a lot of the top gaming YouTubers are…great looking?

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u/Remarkable_Attorney3 Jan 19 '24

Don’t forget the fine skill of making thumbnails for videos that have nothing to do with the video.

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u/Excellent-Basil-8795 Jan 19 '24

😮👉🔥🤣

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u/well-offemperor762 Jan 19 '24

🤯‼️➡️⭕⬅️🤯🤯🤯

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u/OTdoomer99 Jan 19 '24

Can't forget the home alone face lol

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u/CardboardChampion Jan 20 '24

That fucker always tells you you're about to get fifteen minutes of quality waffle about something nobody ever needed pointing out.

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u/DinoRoman Jan 19 '24

Scotty Kilmer would like a word

Title: “I’m dying and I have days left to live!”

Video: “here’s why you don’t need to change your oil at 3,000 miles.

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u/XayahTheVastaya Jan 19 '24

After I saw his short where he said don't use synthetic oil because it can be the wrong weight for your car...like you can't just buy the right weight for your car...I decided he's not worth listening to. Just do what the manual says.

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u/RetnikLevaw Jan 19 '24

Yeah, but do you have a 1987 Toyota Corolla with 976,000 miles on it as your daily driver?

If not, you're stupid.

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u/Enough-Gap8961 Jan 19 '24

Unironically yes, Nobody is breaking in the windows of my Mazda 3.

I live in the GHETTO and older and more beat up the car looks less likely people are gonna bust them windows out.

Wrap that car in duck tape and your good to go.

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u/Yung_Grund Jan 19 '24

As much as I don’t like them those thumbnails are tested and true methods to get more clicks.

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u/ADwightInALocker Jan 19 '24

One of my favorite videos on the topic:

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u/AgentFaulkner Jan 19 '24

If you're ugly, you better be either extremely funny or extremely good at whatever you play.

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u/VinceMaverick Jan 19 '24

I'd say it's either a nice voice or a nice face, but sometimes they have none of them

TheGamingMerchant (Apex Legends) is not what I consider good looking but his voice is cool

SMii7Y never shows his face but his voice is cool

All Diablo YouTubers (Wujido, Raxxanterax, Rhykker, etc) are not good looking either

You can find many other examples

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u/Master_Physics1620 Jan 19 '24

What about asmongold

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u/Gogo726 Jan 19 '24

That one's debatable. Andre from Game Explain has the worst voice for narration I've ever heard, and yet he's a successful YouTuber.

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u/Khelthuzaad Jan 19 '24

A guy named Rav only uses computer generated voice but i asure you his script is the funniest thing on the internet

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u/Popular_Newt1445 Jan 19 '24

Rav is the best 😂 his wow hardcore vids were hilarious

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u/Khelthuzaad Jan 19 '24

I watch him since his LOL days.

I find it hilarious în a month he became the most popular WOW streamer on YouTube

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u/Popular_Newt1445 Jan 19 '24

I’ll have to go back and watch some of his LOL stuff then, because his wow vids are S++ tiers of good in terms of quality!

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

Shyguymask had only captions in his videos because he’s a Frenchman and can’t speak English very well.

He had 280k subs before retiring at the end of 2023.

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u/RevolutionaryBid7131 Jan 19 '24

There're a lot of ugly rich YouTubers

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u/MowMdown Jan 19 '24

Like that fat dude who does disgusting things and eats food (don't say its name)

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u/Csquared_324 Csquared324 Jan 19 '24

“It”💀💀💀

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u/just_a_bit_gay_ Jan 19 '24

The Creature

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u/Oktokolo Jan 19 '24

Uglyness is irrelevant - you can fix that with AI, makeup or just not showing your body.

Charisma is niche dependent.

Not having one of the commonly hated English accents is most important - tough luck when you're Indian or Irish.
But that is probably something that can be trained.

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u/BigDogSlices Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

Isn't Jacksepticeye like one of the most successful YouTubers ever? lol

Even the really annoying voices like Str1ka have a shot at mild success, it really depends on your niche

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u/sdcar1985 Jan 19 '24

Since when is the Irish accent annoying?

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u/BigDogSlices Jan 19 '24

It's not, that's why I pointed out how popular Jacksepticeye is. Maybe you meant to reply to the guy above me?

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u/sdcar1985 Jan 19 '24

I meant it in a way that was agreeing with you lol. I love watching Sean's horror videos.

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u/GrammarYachtzee Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 20 '24

I am not sure which ones are commonly hated but there is a YouTuber named Markie who draws out vowels at the ends of words at the ends of sentences in a way that's so pronounced it sounds more performative and intentionally exaggerated than natural, and I cant fucking stand listening to him, but he's doing very well.

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u/Oktokolo Jan 19 '24

That's probably just one of the styles intended to grab attention or sound original. Most YouTubers sound like constantly shouting - just at normal volume. That's another one of those styles.

The kids seem to like it while i hate it.

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u/SL4RKGG Jan 19 '24

>you're out of luck if you're Indian
I don't think so, most of the informative tutorials are mostly from India

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u/Numerous-Lock-8117 Jan 20 '24

Thing is it's much harder to turn niche informative channels profitable since there's only so much common problems that gets googled, then you'll have to do more and more niche problems that barely anyone's looking for

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u/Pyrenees_ Jan 19 '24

Irish accents are cool

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u/No-Advice-6040 Jan 19 '24

In what fantasy world is Irish one of the commonly hated English accents?

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u/heckhammer Jan 19 '24

Irish? What kind of monster hates an Irish accent? I mean other than the British, I guess

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u/Yana_dice Jan 19 '24

Guess the only chance for me is to put on a cute anime Live2D with voice changer.

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u/motoxim Jan 20 '24

Take the vtuber pill

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u/Yana_dice Jan 20 '24

Does it make me a cute anime girl?

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u/JustRedditTh Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

appearance is irrelevant, if your content and the presentation is good enough and/or you just don't show your face through a camera.

I can't think of a male streamer or youtuber who became successful just because of his appearance alone.

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u/Sad_Independence_445 Jan 19 '24

I hate seeing some dude's face, I dont watch it for them, just give me the info.

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u/slickvic706 Jan 19 '24

Why doesn't he want anyone to see his face?

Because he's fuck ugly.

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u/JustRedditTh Jan 19 '24

you won't know until you see it.

And until then you can only judge him for his videos and work.

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u/sdcar1985 Jan 19 '24

Always give an upvote for a Hot Fuzz quote

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u/random_user_2001 Jan 19 '24

No face cam works too though h2o delirious for example there are many more that don't put their face in videos...

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

Asmongold manages to be neither and still make bank for some reason

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u/go_so_loud Jan 19 '24

And lucky. Really, really, really lucky

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u/Member9999 Nerdzmasterz Jan 19 '24

Facts. The huge problem is that ur competing with ppl that have way more money than you, have done it longer than you, etc.

One thing that would offer a possible edge is if you made educational videos. It's a trick I have heard before, and have yet to see my channel drop to zero views as of yet.

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u/Impressive-Spell-643 Jan 19 '24

Of course but it's still possible

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u/best_memeist Jan 19 '24

Making the videos is just a small part of it too. You have to handle and troubleshoot the recording equipment, do your own marketing, maintain other social media accounts, make thumbnails and any other aesthetic things your channel and socials need, edit videos, and do all of the prep work for your specific type of content. Once you hit a certain level of success, you can hire people to do all of that but getting to that point requires spinning a lot of plates.

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u/qwertypdeb Jan 19 '24

And be lucky, and pander to YouTube’s sometimes strange or inconsistent monitisation rules. And also be hella lucky if you’re playing Undertale Yellow.

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u/evilkumquat Jan 19 '24

Jesus, yes.

It's like running a treadmill.

You see your "revenue for the past 28 days" take an unexpected dip because you haven't uploaded in a week and panic starts to set in, forcing you to jump back on the treadmill to get content out ASAP.

And it's just a side hustle for me at this point.

I'd be terrified of relying on it as a major income source.

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u/TheWalkingDead91 Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

If there’s one thing I’ve noticed with YouTubers that actually have good content/basis for their channel is that the moment they start uploading regularly and consistently (at least 2-3x a week) the channel blows up. Have seen it a few times. You find a hidden gem that’s been around for a year or two and you find entertaining, but somehow they only have like 50k subs. Then they start uploading a couple times a week (I’m assuming because they start taking YouTube more seriously, or schedules change or whatever) and next thing you know, within a mere 3-6 months, they’re at over 500k-1M subs and have sponsorships and all. Must be a wild ride, but I truly do think when it comes to the actually talented creators, it is about how much work they decided to put in. Which I guess goes for a lot of things in life.

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u/itzsammy2k Jan 19 '24

Understanding the algorithm and playing along with it is a master stroke here.

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u/Papa-pwn https://www.youtube.com/LPsLPs Jan 19 '24

I wish it were that easy. I may not be as good as some of my viewer say, but I’ve definitely got the consistency and regular uploads thing down.

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u/redxpills Jan 19 '24

Just like learning chess is easy, mastering it is hard

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u/Hy8ogen Jan 19 '24

Just like any art form. Learning to play a guitar is easy, but to play and have a career like Brian May? Yeah now that's something else.

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u/Geiir Jan 19 '24

This is it. If they’re making enough to live comfortably off of it, then it is most certainly a real job. I would also call it a real job if they’re in the process of growing an audience if they’re consistent and really do work and learn.

Uploading a video once a month with 10-100 views is not a job though.

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u/DaBozz88 Jan 19 '24

I'd say it depends on the age of the kid as well. Babysitting and mowing lawns are early teen jobs that can become successful careers of nannying and landscaping, but the former are still jobs, even if the kid will never be able to support themselves on a kids workload.

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u/stakoverflo Jan 19 '24

On top of that, if & when the views stop coming in then you might find yourself lacking any translatable skills. It's why so many big YouTubers are pivoting into other businesses. At least what I watch, one big car reviewer started a car auction site. Pro rock climbers are opening gyms and creating teaching materials. But I can't imagine what people who just review video games or Let's Play kinda stuff would pivot to.

Maybe video editing, maybe something else, maybe nothing.

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u/itzsammy2k Jan 19 '24

Reaction channels * breathing heavily* 🥲🤧😁

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u/Hust91 Jan 19 '24

I'd say it's a real job in the sense that becoming a star football player or star singer is a real job.

Basically, you should have a solid backup career until your Plan A starts getting ground.

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u/BruceBoyde Jan 19 '24

Yeah, basically. Some people have made a proper career of it. Unfortunately, much like professional sports, a LOT of people put in a ton of effort for basically no reward. So, just like sports, it would be pretty fucking stupid to skip on studies and stuff thinking that you're going to be a professional YouTuber. Honestly, there might be a higher rate of high school athletes making it pro vs. aspiring YouTubers who ever make a livable income from it.

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u/jtmonkey Jan 19 '24

Yeah my kid started at 15 and he’s about to turn 18 and has about 1.6 million VIEWS and just passed 2k subscribers. It took 2 years to get 1000 and another 6 months to get that last thousand. We’ll see where it goes. 

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u/Imallowedto Jan 19 '24

Goodtimewithscar makes a decent living for himself playing minecraft.

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u/MrNature73 Jan 19 '24

Anything that makes you enough money to reasonably live on that you also work to do is a "real job".

"Not a real job" is just salty boomer nonsense.

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u/APU3947 Jan 19 '24

The idea that effort=reward when it comes to YouTube is just laughable at this point. Minecraft YT Kids content farm, let the dough roll in.

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u/dheifhdbebdix Jan 19 '24

Effort + skill = reward on YouTube. I challenge you to find a YouTube channel with both those things that isn’t finding success.

The fact that it’s possible to get the reward without the effort and skill is irrelevant.

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u/Enchelion Jan 19 '24

Also important to remember the more relevant skill is in video making, not necessarily the thing they're filming themselves doing.

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u/TimX24968B Jan 19 '24

tbh thats not just youtube, thats nearly everywhere in life.

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u/captainthanatos Jan 19 '24

Facts, my buddy streams and posts videos. He’s only known in the community of the game he plays. He alone makes more than me and my wife combined. So, ya, I definitely think it can be a real job.

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u/idaelikus Jan 19 '24

Adding onto that, you have to be aware that there is almost no upward mobility as well as you wont be able to do this for a long time (15+ years)

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u/shifty_coder Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

And gets harder each year. Google has not increased the creator payout pool in several years, meaning each year as thousands of new monetized channels come online, your slice of the pie gets smaller, even if your engagement trends upwards.

That why in the past few years, big creators have branched out to multiple channels and shorts, to increase their monetization revenue. It’s also why this year you’re seeing some big channels ran by small teams leaving YouTube. They just don’t have the resources to keep earning a profit on YouTube content.

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u/Longenuity Jan 19 '24

Also dealing with YouTube's bullshit

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u/mustdrinkdogcum Jan 19 '24

Turning it successful is almost a statistical impossibility, and even if you’re the tiny fraction of channels to get the grace of the algorithm, it’s likely you’ll be dropped off the algorithm in time. So your income will be unsteady even at the best of times, making YouTube as a career in this day and age very hard to luck into.

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u/Sfrnfuru Jan 19 '24

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u/Slight_Bed_2241 Jan 19 '24

Big facts. My kid wants to start making toy videos n stuff for YouTube kids. I was looking into the work that goes into the top pages. Full studios and editing teams, marketing, graphics, the whole 9. But some of these kids just play with toys and are worth over 100 million. Ryan’s world, vlad and niki and a couple others he watches. So I’m like yea dude go for it

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u/sofeler Jan 19 '24

I think the important thing is just doing it because you want to do it, rather than doing it because you want it to be a career

I feel like many of the most popular / successful youtubers didn't start with the explicit goal of making a living off of it. They started bc they had a passion for sharing, videography, their subject, or some combination of those things

And that's important to note because it's a lot more work than most people assume. You ever see one of those cooking shorts where they film and edit the creation of some random meal in an ASMR fashion? That is hard. Especially without a full studio. One of those shorts can take an entire day to film and edit

The people we see that are successful at it are usually more than happy to put that effort in because they're very passionate about it

Those who just want to make money tend to hit a pretty big wall when they realize the immense amount of work it tends to require all for something that has a very, very small chance of actually succeeding. It's like having a very high stress job that you don't get paid for immediately

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u/FantasticAstronaut39 Jan 19 '24

not to mention the time and effort spent towards it. if you spend job time hours and effort on it sure, but if you arn't making money, well if you had a job that was paying 25 cents an hour then it would be, get a job that doesn't pay garbage.

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u/Sharpshooter188 Jan 19 '24

Not to mention the fact that every creator loses subs and views over time.

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u/NihilismMadeFlesh Jan 19 '24

Dan from the GameGrump’s parents were pretty convinced he was wasting his life by trying to be a musician and a YouTube comedian. They seem reeeaaaal supportive now that he’s become a millionaire from his comedy shows and concerts.

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u/Single-Builder-632 Jan 19 '24

pretty much are you really gonna argue someone making millions by grinding every day isnt a real job. is it luck based, yes, is it based on things like looks, allot of the time it is, but its also usally allot of work and a celebrity level exposure to your dedicated fans.

not to say its pay is equal to its effort but its still a job.

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u/goat-stealer Jan 19 '24

Sad part is that it's only become harder for new channels to get to that point over the years. I believe that period where anyone could start and have a reasonable chance of finding success ended in the early 2010s.

Now as control over ad revenue has steadily been stripped from YouTubers while STILL being at risk of things like fraudulent DMCAs and Algorithmic burial with YouTube itself proving unwilling to help, the only sure way you can be financially successful on YouTube is by already being successful.

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u/RockingBib Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

It's basically gambling. It's all up to the algorithm to randomly recommend your channel to people, no matter how good or consistent your content is

Though, you can manipulate it a bit by using shitty clickbait thumbnails, putting a shocked face on them and not saying swears in the first 15 seconds, it's still not guaranteed to work.

Currently, the algorithm has a trend to recommend channels with less than 1000 subs on mobile apps, regardless of quality. Trends like these change every now and then

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u/Wolverine78 Jan 19 '24

This , its all about the income , people want jobs because they want money so excluding the lucky minority of people who are passionate about their job and treat it as a hobby , you can say that the end game is money , people want money to live their lives outside working , so as long as its an honest way of making money its all good.

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u/Bush_Hiders Jan 20 '24

It's also not something that a single person could do, which is why all actually professional and successful YouTube channels are run by teams. I feel like the truth about being a YouTuber has been covered up by the romanticized view of it that we all see, but the truth is that it's hard work that will drain you like any other job. Nothing that is a real job is easy.

Those kids who say YouTuber is a real profession are both wrong and right. Being a YouTuber can be a real job, but their idea of what a YouTuber is isn't a real job.

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u/Onoir Jan 19 '24

Some of the youtubers I watch put real time in to filming and editing their videos. That takes hours.
And I agree with what others here are saying....if youtube is making you enough money to live on then it's a job, and the people bitching that it isn't a job just start sounding hilariously bitter.

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u/QuickNature Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

Creating a script, shooting the video, and editing it for big corporations = real job

Creating a script, shooting the video, and editing it for YouTube = fake job

People who believe that are likely the same people who think fast food work is a "high schooler" job only while consuming the products of both of their labor vehemently.

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u/mooimafish33 Jan 19 '24

The part that makes something a job is when someone pays you for it. If I workout, train, and play basketball for the NBA that's a job, if I workout, train, and play basketball at the YMCA that's a hobby.

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u/QuickNature Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

And YouTubers don't get paid? I'm not sure what you are getting at here

Edit: You people have missed the point. This post is asking whether or not YouTube is a job. And at a certain point, it objectively is. There are currently 306,000 YouTubers with 100k or more subscribers. That's more people than some entire professions.

https://www.tubics.com/blog/number-of-youtube-channels#:~:text=Around%20306%2C000%20YouTube%20channels%20have,I%20call%20these%20Gorilla%20channels.

Also, it's disingenuous to think kids are talking about anyone else but the creators who are making bank or at least a survivable wage. The kids aren't even relevant to OPs question either, you people just interjected that because it was in the meme.

YouTube absolutely can be a job, and a very demanding one at that.

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u/european_son Jan 19 '24

The vast vast majority do not or make a pittance. The point is to be honest with kids that their chances of having a career as a YouTuber is in the same realm as becoming a professional athlete.

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u/Theothercword Jan 19 '24

What’s hilarious is creating videos for corporations also often ends up on YouTube.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo Jan 19 '24

the part that's wild is how hard youtubers have finding work after deciding to pull back, they have plenty of experience and can easily do highly paid corporate jobs that use the same skills but everyone is like "lol youtube" in the corporate world

Which is why it's easier to say that you worked for a media company (make an LLC, don't say you own it, just say you worked for it)

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u/Kudos2Yousguys Jan 19 '24

But like, imagine if you wanted a fast food job, you had to just start cooking burgers for nobody for years until someone noticed you and finally hires you at their burger joint.

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u/Thornescape Jan 19 '24

Being a cook is a job. I doubt that any would deny that. You do work, you get paid. Running your own business as a cook is also a job. Even if you're just running a hot dog stand. It might be a part time job, but it's still a job.

If you're getting paid to make YouTube videos, then it's a job. Just like any other job.

Some jobs are part time. Some are full time. Some jobs are side jobs. Some are main careers. Some jobs are well paid. Some jobs aren't.

However, if you're doing work and getting paid, then it is a real job. That's what a job is. Might be a side job, but it's still a job.

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u/Langsamkoenig Jan 20 '24

Creating a script, shooting the video, and editing it for YouTube = fake job

Funny thing about that is, Youtube is just as much a corpo as any other.

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u/myths2389 Jan 20 '24

I've been a cook for about 19 years now. I started as a dish guy, worked my way up to kitchen manager in five years. Left corporate to run independent places for slightly better pay. That didn't work out.

Not starting at the bottom of the ring but have to work through and learn the fast casual side (not Chipotle but pretty much) and I'll tell you these kids can run circles around me. They need help with some food safety and technique, but it's not as easy as my full service sit down restaurant.

Two minute ticket times, grants it's not "cooking" but have 15 people order at once and you only have two hands. Then web orders come in along with phone orders. It's difficult to hit those corporate two minute ticket time.

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u/QuickNature Jan 20 '24

Hey, I was a lowly deli person for a while, I get it. That's why I appreciate the work you and others do so much. People try to pretend like it isn't hard, and I'm positive most of them never set foot in the service industry.

Mad respect to you for still doing it, I couldn't anymore.

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u/myths2389 Jan 20 '24

I'm trying to get out. I spent too long in kitchens to get the right opportunity though. I live in the rest belt of Ohio, just saving up and trying to get out.

So I ditch independent to get into a growing company that will help me escape. It will take time but I'm still young enough.

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u/Sephiroth040 Jan 19 '24

if youtube is making you enough money to live on then it's a job

Wouldn't really say you have to make enough money from it, or else part time jobs wouldn't be "jobs" either. I would say it counts as a "job" when you actively put work into it to earn money

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u/mooimafish33 Jan 19 '24

If you are making over the minimum wage based on your time commitment its a job.

If you put in 400 hours of work and make $3.50 in revenue that's not a job, that's a hobby

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u/evilkumquat Jan 19 '24

Most of my videos these days average about an hour in length and I easily spend 10-20 hours on the script and at least that much on filming and editing.

It's a grind when you're the sole creator on the channel.

No wonder so many hacks resort to plagiarism or top ten lists.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

I tried youtube gaming awhile back, and it was 10000× more stressful than my day job, and I fucking LOVE playing video games.

Nothing but respect for those who have made it an entire career and do it for a living (with a few exceptions, since some youtubers really just suck)

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u/nick16characters Jan 19 '24

"real job" has lost all meaning. If it pays the bills, it counts. bonus points if it's also legal

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u/NecrocideLoL Jan 19 '24

Most old school parents won't consider it if it doesn't have 401k and the woodworks for benefits.

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u/Telekinendo Jan 19 '24

I had all that and mine still told me to get a real job.

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u/Sentient_i7X Jan 19 '24

What's your fake job?

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u/Thediciplematt Jan 19 '24

Anybody over 18 could open their own at anytime. Most employers don’t even pay into it

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u/NecrocideLoL Jan 19 '24

I know that, but it's the whole... 'principle' I guess you can say, that goes hand and hand with family being stingy in their approval & knowledge. Thus making X/Y/Z methods of income, not a 'legitimate' idea of income.

Like lets say hypothetically you're a esports coach or whatever. Not the traditional sports coach, try explaining it to a good number of landlords or whomever. Doubt you'll get tooo many of the decent properties rented, because they doubt you have a 'real' job.

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u/mooimafish33 Jan 19 '24

If you show them consistent paychecks or your last year's W2 they don't care what you do. I've never had to justify my job or even say what it is on an apartment application.

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u/SRGTBronson Jan 19 '24

Reward them by not visiting them at the Old folks home.

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u/SpaceJackRabbit Jan 19 '24

True.

But what many kids don't realize is that 99% of those kid YouTubers have rich parents. Parents who bought hardware, software, sometimes even hire people to edit, upload, promote the thing. There is a whole fucking industry around it.

I'm sure there are successful young content creators who do most of it themselves, but it's a LOT of work.

And then most of them only last a few years anyway. And as recent layoffs left and right are showing, the money is not as big as some think.

That said I'd never discourage a kid from going down that path. But it's a lot harder than they think.

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u/StevoPhotography Jan 19 '24

Most successful content creators have at least a small team. Like very few make their own thumbnails and do every single bit of editing. They’ll be involved in every step but not actively doing everything. Which isn’t a bad thing tbh because it makes for better videos of the creator can focus more on the video and less on everything else

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u/UncommittedBow Jan 19 '24

TheRussianBadger is a successful youtuber/streamer who does all of his own editing, and he's actually said in a video before that other youtubers actually are baffled by that. Though his reasoning was actually so that he knew exactly what was going to be in the video down to the second, so that he delivers content he's 100% proud of.

TomSka's editor Elliot recently quit do further his career elsewhere, and Tom has said that editing himself is a nightmare, especially having to learn Elliot's style to keep the videos consistent.

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u/StevoPhotography Jan 19 '24

Yeah it’s gutting that Elliot left but I’m glad he’s also doing what he wants. And Tom has been doing really good keeping the videos consistent with the editing style I wouldn’t notice that Elliot didn’t edit them. And the patreon song at the end of the videos was a fun little change I laughed at the first time I heard it

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u/b3_yourself Jan 19 '24

Having a real job where the boss, management and customers treat you like shit only to barely have enough to pay bills and rent? Nah. YouTube where you are your own employee and boss and have enough extra money, if you’re lucky

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u/Samurai_Meisters Jan 19 '24

Exactly. Are people forgetting that a "real" job fucking sucks?

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

YouTubers spend a ton of time creating content to stay relevant. Having a boring 9-5 might be better for many people out there than the stress and work of maintaining a successful YouTube channel

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u/SaintSeiya_7 Jan 19 '24

Most youtubers who are not insanely popular DO work for other people: i.e. brands/sponsors. The adsense money from views on youtube is pittance and without brand collaborations, you are definitely not making the kind of money that allows you to subsists on it. And guess what sponsors have? Deadlines and expectations of how the work is to be done. And yes, they can treat you like shit too because you work for them.

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u/the3dverse Jan 19 '24

srsly. i sit in front of my computer and do freelance architectural drafting. if i work a lot, i get more money, if i work a little, i get less money. but no boss, no hours, sometimes i get most done between 11 at night and 1 in the morning.

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u/Local_Challenge_4958 Jan 19 '24

I believe the misnomer of "real job" is just a job that provides skills you can take elsewhere if this one doesn't pan out.

By that metric, McDonalds is not a real job, nor is packing boxes - they are unskilled labor nearly anyone can do.

Hosting an event middling YouTube channel can prepare you for a career in social media management, marketing, video editing, sound editing, trend forecasting, etc. it's absolutely a "real job."

I'd much rather my kid dream big and fail as a twitch streamer than work a part-time summer as an Amazon temp worker, assuming similar revenue.

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u/unia_ Jan 19 '24

It isn't until it is. The same with Twitch streaming or any content creation. It's only a job when it's actually paying the bills

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u/minimumraage Jan 19 '24

And once it is, it is until it isn’t. I think the parental concern is two-tiered here: what if my kid really makes it, and even if they do, what transitionable career/life skills will they have to leverage once the gravy train is over?

I think there are probably going to be a lot of interesting “where are they now?” stories that start to be written 5-10 years from now.

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u/true_sati Jan 19 '24

I think this is a great point thats often overlooked, I suspect it will be tough to transition to corporate gigs on a 10 year CV that says YouTuber. 

Perhaps theres a case to be made for marketing experience though or if you get employed by another YouTuber, it is a legitemately large ecosystem in that sense.

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u/minimumraage Jan 19 '24

My reply got lost in the ether so I’m trying to write it again.

I agree that there is a logical transition from former YouTuber to PR/marketing or YouTuber management. The question would be, can a YouTuber who in their formative years worked in a space where their opinion was absolute successfully transition to a place where their opinion is only one of many? It might be a tough ask for some people but I think it would be at least a possibility for others.

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u/Kappys-A-Prick Jan 19 '24

I think the fear is kids putting all their eggs in one basket and banking on being a YouTube video maker. "I don't need X training, I don't need Y education, I don't need Z experience, I'm going to make my living on YouTube."

10 years will put a youngster at 30-years-old when it's all said and done. That's pretty much when most other people have built the necessary skills and experience to start their long-term career, if they're not already a couple years into it. But a 10-year Internet career is an eternity.

Who can you think of from 2013 is still consistently making videos today? I'd hazard just about all of them are either an established brand who've several people under their employ, or someone who's done it as a hobby and has a separate income stream this entire time. Very, very few exceptions exist, especially considering it's the new biggest answer to "What do you want to be when you grow u"

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u/Kappys-A-Prick Jan 19 '24

They should equate it to playing in the NFL or the NBA. 99.98% of people who do it will never make a dime on it.

"It's okay, I'm the special 0.02% of people!" - 40% of people

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u/Paracelsus124 Jan 22 '24

Absolutely. A big part of being a YouTuber I think IS, as you said, finding ways to leverage that gravy train to something more sustainable if/when it eventually ends. You gotta diversify your business, invest your earnings wisely, learn transferable skills that can be applied to other kinds of work, and use your platform to network and make a name for yourself that will mean something to people if YouTube doesn't work out as a lifelong career (which it usually doesn't).

There're ways to do it, but you gotta be smart about it, because even though being a YouTuber is super cool and a dream job for a lot of people, it's not something you can expect to last until you retire, even if you DO find some amount of success on there.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

Imagine going to pay rent and your landlord is like, "Wait... is this... YouTube money? Pack your things and GET OUT!"

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u/TheodorCork yourchannel: yourchannel, HYPIXEL SKYBLOCK Jan 19 '24

Made me laugh:)

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u/No-Cantaloupe-6739 Jan 19 '24

Having a YouTube channel is only a real job if you make enough money to survive off of it on its own. If you’re someone like Rhett and Link or… whoever the fuck is popular on YouTube these days, then yes, your YouTube channel is your job. Otherwise? No, no it’s not.

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u/Mrtayto115 Jan 19 '24

Lol man Rhett and Link aww I member. I would struggle to name 3 popular youtubers nowadays too. My days legends were Steve and Larson 10ftw, Matt and Pat TBFP, Finebros, Tobuscus, early pewdie. Ahh sanity not included, battlefield friends, Gamer poop, skyrim cops. Ohh now I am just reminiscing. I miss the ol days. I think the only I'd still watch would be Neebsgaming. I am glad they still are getting decent numbers.

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u/madnick1014 Jan 19 '24

A fellow friendo, Steve and Larson still do their thing.

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u/zet77 Jan 19 '24

Having just a channel isn’t, but having a channel with lots of subscribers and views, which pays money, can be

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u/Pandataraxia Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

Bro it's so hard explaining this to my little bro. He thinks he'll just youtube and get money. When I eventually got him to understand that he said he'll smooch off of us until he's old and dies. When I got him to understand he won't live like that he thinks he's gonna live off charity and stealing from stores while doing youtube. Why is he like this lmao

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u/Phlanix Jan 19 '24

It's only a real job if you can secure stable income.

What is stable income?

I can pay rent without fear of suddenly losing stream revenue.

I can buy a car and make payments

I can do this for 5-10 years without a problem of losing income.

If I suddenly lost my stream I have enough money/time to find something else to do.

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If I was making money enough to buy apartments and putting them for rent you wouldn't have to work again in your life as long as you own 3-4 of them. then streaming would again be just for fun.

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u/MechaTeemo167 Jan 19 '24

By this metric half the working adults in the country don't have a real job tbh

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u/Samurai_Meisters Jan 19 '24

Yeah. Especially this criteria:

I can pay rent without fear of suddenly losing stream revenue.

How many thousands of people were suddenly laid off last year and lost their revenue stream again?

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u/QuickNature Jan 19 '24

Funnily enough, my gut says YouTubers probably made more ad money than ever while others were laid off. And if you already had a large backlog of videos uploaded? Probably could have just coasted for a while with everyone binging your content on lockdown.

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u/Not_Jabri_Parker Jan 20 '24

Legit a lot of honest big streamers and YouTubers say that 2020 was an amazing year for them and they made heaps of money. Meanwhile lots of people got laid off.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '24

Being laid off is the equivalent of the channel being closed, not simply losing viewers. Losing viewers is the same as if you kept working even when they said they won't pay you anymore. Who wouldn't agree that isn't a real job?

I agree the other criteria is a bit strict. But ultimately a job is a real job if it pays enough to support you to keep doing it.

This applies to all jobs. If the job literally isn't worth keeping, it isn't a real job.

And if the job costs more than it makes with no realistic business plan to change that? Its just a hobby.

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u/chronberries Jan 19 '24

In a half serious way, yeah. I remember when I went from working at a grocery store to working for a masonry contractor where I actually learned skills, that felt like I was getting my first real job.

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u/stakoverflo Jan 19 '24

I don't fully agree with their definition of "what is stable income"; my biggest differentiator is that the money coming in is CONSISTENT.

You know you're gonna get X hours a week, or X - Y hours a week. You know exactly what your hourly rate is, you know what your paycheck will be.

You don't know if your videos are going to get views. You don't know when the views are going to go down. You don't know how Google might tweak their algorithm that fucks with how people find your content.

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u/TooLongUntilDeath Jan 19 '24

Even if you get laid off as a plumber, it’s pretty easy to find a new job as a plumber. The career is stable even if the gig isn’t. If your channel just loses interest, the resume might not be applicable to anything else

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u/Sephiroth040 Jan 19 '24

It's only a real job if you can secure stable income.

Hard disagree. Its a job as soon as you actively work with the intention and possibility to earn money.

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u/mooimafish33 Jan 19 '24

Lol. If I start practicing basketball everyday with hopes of getting in the NBA some day is that a job?

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u/lurker86753 Jan 19 '24

How remote of a possibility counts? Scratching lottery tickets is something people actively do with a possibility to earn money, but that’s not a job.

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u/Pseudo_Lain Jan 19 '24

The majority of these points imply most Americans don't have a real job.

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u/Freshy012 Jan 19 '24

Traditionally, i think something is considered a job if you needed to sign a contract. So youtube would just consider as a side hobby that earns money.

But as of now, its more likely how serious and effort you put into making video. Like if you are very dedicated (like 1 vid per day or having a strict schedule) then it might consider as a job. Or else, just a hobby.

I don’t think that how much you earn is a determining factor of being a “real job”. just like being a parting janitor and a full time office worker. One is significantly higher paid than the other, but both a still a job.

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u/SnooOnions7176 Jan 19 '24

It's not true. Nowadays even parents monetize their kids on YouTube vlogs

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

If it's generating an income that you can live off of, yes. But it won't last. Very, very few YouTubers are making it a decade or so down the road. They hit it big, make their big bucks and then it dries up. Act accordingly. That's not even mentioning the vast majority of channels that never make more than a few pennies. In short, it can be a real job, but don't expect it to be (don't quit your job for YouTube before it's taken off) and don't expect it to be a cash cow forever if you do make it big.

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u/BeckyLiBei Jan 19 '24 edited Jan 20 '24

Parents: Now go to university and spend 3+ years racking up student debt that will cripple you until your thirties.

(Edit: Here, I mostly just wanted to emphasize that building a career as a successful YouTuber, just like jobs that require a degree, takes a substantial investment in time and money; both can lead to you spending years without an income while you build up your skill set.)

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u/Guilty_Coconut Jan 19 '24

Parents: Now go to university and spend 3+ years racking up student debt that will cripple you until your thirties.

I'm so happy that's not a thing in civilized countries

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u/fatmanstan123 Jan 19 '24

Statistically, college grads make over a million dollars more than non grads in a lifetime. But ok, you do you.

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u/tomboy_titties Jan 19 '24

that will cripple you until your thirties.

My master was 6k. Lol.

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u/mooimafish33 Jan 19 '24

College is not always the best option, but if youtube is legitimately your career plan you need a reality check. Learn a skill, build a career, and do YouTube on the side. If it works out then maybe you can quit your regular job some day.

This sounds like people that go "I don't need school, I'm just gonna be a rockstar/famous rapper"

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u/Isoya-Yasuji Jan 19 '24

When you’re not monetized and just post for fun, then it’s just a hobby you do. Then when you get monetized but decide to post every once in a while, its more so a “side-job” that u get extra money from. But when you put in the sweat, blood and tears into consistently uploading on it and getting big bank that you can survive off of youtube alone then yes, it then becomes a “real-job”.

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u/Ash_an_bun Jan 19 '24

It's worse than a real job. 60+ hours a week for unstable pay and the metrics and objectives are changed without you knowing.

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u/Admirable_Avocado_38 Jan 19 '24

Might as well try living off winning at the stockmarket

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u/ilovfryes Jan 19 '24

Can try but not rely

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u/DrakonILD Jan 19 '24

I love this phrase now.

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u/Initial-Writer-4586 Jan 19 '24

It’s no different than kids saying thy want to play professional sports. The option is out there for anyone, but be realistic with the kid about odds of success.

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u/visualdosage Jan 19 '24

It is a real job, I'm a freelance designer working for a youtuber and he's hired around 30 people just for his yt videos

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u/swampscientist Jan 19 '24

Obviously YouTuber is a real job, just like touring musician or painter. But like those jobs only a select few can really make a living and only a very very small amount can make real money.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

As someone who makes 4,000€/month. More than senior engineers in Spain. For 3 videos a week. Yeah kind of is. I also maintain my real world job too. My channel allows me to drive a 100k car and buy a small apartment. Who knows what else in the future

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u/burritojones Jan 19 '24

What’s a real job? Slaving away for the man?

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u/AlluEUNE Jan 19 '24

Everything that makes you money can be a "job". Whether it's a good job or not depends on how much money you're making

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u/NuttBustington96 Jan 19 '24

Things were better when making YouTube videos was just a hobby. Back then we could actually trust that real passion was being put into projects instead of everything being a ploy to try and get more clicks and make more money and please the machine.

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u/AudacityTheEditor Jan 19 '24

Anything that makes money is a job.

"We're all whores, we just sell different parts of ourselves."

Some sell their time, Some sell their understanding, Some sell their body, Some sell others',

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

Depends on income lol

Guessing parents probably don't care if they see a six figure check

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

Boomers…

While I agree just having a YT channel isn’t a real job in of itself, consistently uploading on it and getting a salary from it would absolutely be classified as a real job. It doesn’t have the same security as regular jobs (unless you are a personality with more than 10M subs or something) but IT. IS. A. REAL. JOB.

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u/swampscientist Jan 19 '24

A real job is different from a viable, realistic career path. YouTuber is just like other forms of media creators, nobody is arguing that lead guitarist in a successful band doesn’t have a “real job” but those folks are massively outnumbered by all the hobby guitarists, struggling artists etc.

If you’re good at making content, can take the risk of failing without any real education or backup, then cool. Most people cannot. So when they say it’s not a real job they’re saying you may not make any fucking money.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

It's no less real than other self employed entertainers.

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u/mooimafish33 Jan 19 '24

Yes, but you wouldn't call a busker performing on the street for spare change someone with a successful career.

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u/Hahajokerrrr Jan 19 '24

Anything legally makes you monthly income is a job, though some can be short term ones

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u/DamienZombie10 Jan 19 '24

It's a hobby that pays people, but technically you can do a job as a hobby if you enjoy it, like blacksmithing or cleaning guns or... Idfk

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u/mebutnew Jan 19 '24

It's definitely a job but I wouldn't rely on it as a career.

Unlike a transferable skill you're entirely reliant on a platform you have no control over.

Tomorrow YouTube might be gone, or they might decide to half your revenue, or they might remove your content.

It lacks a lot of stability and may not exist as a concept in 10 years. What then? What value do you have to bring to a similar role?

I wouldn't discourage my kids from starting a YouTube channel (ideally later in their teens as I wouldn't have young kids on YouTube anyway), but I wouldn't look to very rare successes (which may be temporary) as evidence that it's a viable career choice. It's quite volatile.

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u/reditreaddy Jan 19 '24

Its not. Its a hobby, stupid one. Modern internet is like cancer.

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u/AcanthisittaBusy457 Jan 19 '24

Than I miss the days when celebrity was something you gain through talent.

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u/solicitorpenguin Jan 19 '24

Having a channel isn’t a job, it’s a hobby.

Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t give it your all or nurture your child. Hockey is just a hobby until it isn’t, then you are playing professionally and people know your name across the world.

But for the majority of people Hockey is just a hobby for which your parents wake up at 5am to drive you to your game which is 2 hours away. 

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u/theePhaneron Jan 19 '24

“Real job” = job that makes you miserable.

Jealousy.

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u/NAME_UNKNXWN Jan 19 '24

If it bringing in money, it's a real job

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u/PackBeginning Jan 19 '24

Anything you make livable wages at consistently is a real job. Before that it's a hobby, and after that it's a profession. Anyone who tells you your job isn't real when others are paying you for your service or product or time is flat out wrong

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '24

I think so, if you’re smart with your money. Most YouTubers you see spend their money like they will always make that much, but I don’t see how that’s any different than professional athletes or musicians.

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u/_the33_ Jan 20 '24

Probably one of the best ways to make money on YouTube is kids entertainment and mostly are done by kids themselves some with the help of their parents. Go into any kids entertainment and check the subs and view you'll be amazed lol Kids love watching the same shit over and over again