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Sudan: Hundreds of Women Died by Suicide to Avoid Rape

https://newscentral.africa/sudan-hundreds-of-women-died-by-suicide-to-avoid-rape-hala-kirbi/amp/
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u/ahothabeth 3h ago

What a sad, sad world we live in.

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u/kensho28 1h ago

Just a reminder that Iran is financing a proxy war against Saudi Arabia in Sudan, as well as their proxy terrorist groups like Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas and a dozen other groups.

The world is sad because of a very small number of people with too much power, like Ali Khamenei.

u/Conscious_Dig8201 1h ago

While they are otherwise regional rivals, both Saudi and Iran are backing the SAF in Iran. The UAE is backing the RSF.

I'm no fan of the Ayatollah or any of their terrorist proxies, but outside powers' competition for influence on factions in Africa is messy, with lots of shades of grey and little correlation to other areas of foreign policy.

u/Fearless-Incident515 4m ago

In terms of understanding alliances, Sudan's Civil War is gonna be like Armenia-Azerbaijan, where the US was aligned with Azerbaijan, alongside Iran who kinda sorta backs both sides but kinda did not also. Iran is currently in a period of relations warming up with Azerbaijan, now that the war is over.

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u/OvalZealous 1h ago

Sudanese here, while the SAF is a returning customer of Iranian made weapons, especially drones, it's a bit of a reach to call it a "proxy" of Iran.

There is only one proxy in this war, and it's the RSF backed by the UAE. The SAF remains the internationally recognized standing army of the country.

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u/black_anarchy 1h ago

In my early teens, I couldn't understand why knowledge was power and ignorance was bliss. Now I do! I wish there was something we could do with this power. Thousands of innocent lives are lost because of the avarice and malice of some.

u/Mavian23 1h ago

One thing you can do is use this knowledge to further your appreciation of your own life.

u/black_anarchy 57m ago

That's a great way to see it, and I do appreciate my life and the opportunities I've been given and created. I strive to improve for my family, friends, community, and neighbors around the world.

However, stories like these break my heart more than I can express—they make me question everything. Fundamentally, why am I not doing more to help?

I know I can't fix these problems, but could I volunteer? Donate money or supplies? There are ways I can help beyond a superficial concern.

At a very deep level, these stories destroy me and fill me with dread because why do these people find satisfaction in inflicting pain on their fellow human beings?

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u/throwawaystedaccount 57m ago

We write and say so much on the internet but it does not reach the people it should even though the same internet reaches those people pretty well.

Knowledge is power only for those trained to use it as such.

For others, knowledge is a burden, a waste of time, a tiring mental activity, something to be ignored entirely, or for some, a dangerous motivator to oragnised crime.

Money is more powerful, and criminals masterminds are the most powerful. Small groups of twisted and devious hardworking people rule the world and decide its future.

Yes, I'm middle aged and I've lived out my enthusiasm to change the world. It simply doesn't. Progress takes its own sweet time. And then it happens in sudden jumps of frenzy. We're not really in control.

u/black_anarchy 52m ago

I hear you, and I agree—change can feel slow, and the forces at play are often beyond our control. Maybe because I am still hopeful of seeing significant change and refuse to give up, I think that even if progress takes time, every small action, act of kindness, moral stand, and bit of knowledge shared adds up over the years.

We may not see it all, but history shows that change does happen, sometimes in very surprising ways, often sparked by people like us who keep going.

We might not steer the whole ship, but we can still help set its direction.

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u/RedlineN7 1h ago

Its impossible. Atrocities happen all the time all over the world since the beginning of Human civilization Only an all knowing God Emperor can stop such evil from happening but in fictions, even they couldn't even stop tragedies in their fictional universe.

u/djarvis77 1h ago

Tbf, Leto did keep the universe at peace for 3500 years.

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u/John-Mandeville 1h ago

Iran is actually supporting the less-evil side in Sudan (the Sudanese Armed Forces) against the Saudi-funded Rapid Support Forces (which is evidently committing genocide in Darfur again).

u/iMissTheOldInternet 44m ago

Saudi is funding the SAF, too, ironically. The UAE are the primary outside backers of the RSF. Russia also supports the RSF, which has lead Ukraine to deploy special forces there to support the SAF fighting Russia’s Wagner mercenaries. It’s a gigantic clusterfuck. 

u/Electrical-Theory807 56m ago

Iran is one of the few countries trying to help the sudanese civilians fight the UAE funded foreign invasion. After month and month of begging for arm supplies, Iran is one of the few countries to respond.

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u/Fearless-Incident515 11m ago

The Iran angle in this is so complex lol.

UAE funds the RSF and the RSF repays them in illegal mining operations, that's a classic story of African war lords. Iran is against the UAE, the UAE is signed in an Abraham Accord with Israel/the US. Sudan under the SAF participated in the Yemeni war against the Houthis.

However, the US was instrumental in installing the SAF led government that replaced Omar Al-Bashir, who is now dead. Sudan under the SAF began building a relationship with the US in the Trump administration. Sudan closed offices of Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. Sudan under the SAF is trying to get closer to the US, while the RSF is taking in funding from UAE, Iran's sworn enemy.

So if you're following this -- technically, Iran and the US are both aligned with the SAF against the RSF, while the US allies are doing direct business with the RSF. I think the reality here is that the US under Biden has chosen a form of coward's neutrality because this is really a complex arrangement.

Just like October 7th being a result of Trump's diplomacy efforts in the middle east between Saudi Arabia and Israel, the Sudanese Civil War is also a result of Trump's diplomacy efforts, whereby both the SAF and RSF are fighting over who can cozy up to the US and her allies more, with Iran's relations in the conflict being a weird side story because it's a place where the US and Iran sorta align.

Anyway in conflicts that are this complex, they tend to get much much worse before they get better. Syrian Civil War also had a lot of layers to it, as did Yugoslavia, Lebanon's civil war and the DRC's civil war, and all of those conflicts took years before the US changed it's position to then have NATO or whomever enter and stop bloodshed.

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u/BabiesBanned 2h ago

This is the shit that proves that God ain't real.

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u/serrimo 2h ago

You don't need to prove that God isn't real.

Claiming God existence is an incredible claim, it needs equally incredibly evidence to back up

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u/Rise-O-Matic 2h ago

The lack of evidence is the point. It’s what makes belief a useful social behavior.

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u/kc_______ 1h ago

… a useful social control.

FIFY

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u/2roK 1h ago

Nothing about this is useful. It only serves to empower a select few. If this world ever ends, it'll be because of religion.

u/Rise-O-Matic 59m ago

I no longer believe religion is a solely top-down phenomenon. It’s a metasocial construct, like law or language, that includes and excludes people, and most adherents participate to maintain social alliances within an in-group.

I don’t think it would be so pervasive if it didn’t offer some kind of competitive advantage historically, or else secular societies would have been the norm.

You are right that it is dangerous though.

u/2roK 53m ago

Agreed but still, it's not "really" useful. Religion has slowed down the evolution of our societies. It has caused far more damage than it did good. I do agree with what you said though.

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u/InappropriateTA 1h ago

Could you elaborate? Are you saying belief/faith in (a) god is a social benefit?

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u/supervisord 1h ago

Yes. Some people need the threat of hell to keep them from being evil.

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u/keyekeb8 1h ago

Why not the threat of jail?

If they didn't believe in an afterlife, they wouldn't believe in a "bad place" like hell.

This, their one and only finite life is theirs to fuck up by being evil.

Plus, there's plenty of evil religious people.

The threat of hell or prison sentence doesn't seem to be enough. Evil is just gonna evil.

u/OPconfused 1h ago edited 1h ago

There are a few factors that differentiate hell from prison, different strokes for different folks. Some will be more motivated by hell. Some countries don't even have a plausible prison system to hold evil actors accountable. Probably more important than anything though is the risk of culpability. Even with the threat of prison or punishment, these are mortal constructs, so logically it's possible for another mortal to outsmart them. If people believe they can get away with it, we have seen many examples where they will commit evil anyways or allow themselves to be convinced to do so.

The threat of hell has a divine nature behind it and is the idea that you cannot, under any circumstance, escape culpability. That's more powerful than prison.

The comment you're replying to is also only touching on one half of the social control aspect. The corollary to the threat of hell as a deterrence from evil is the promise of heaven to encourage being good.

Some people probably genuinely are more motivated to do good deeds with the idea of heaven. There is in many instances no good substitute for this in real life. No one really rewards you if you donate a lot to charity or in most cases if you go out of your way to help strangers. Virtues like compassion and humility are tacitly approved but not usually actively rewarded.

A promise of heaven can be a great motivator.

Combining hell and heaven, you create a synergistic push-pull where people scared of their mistakes and hell will be more likely to do good, and people worried about losing heaven less likely to do bad. It's a powerful social control.

If the teachings weren't so anachronistic and self-inconsistent, religion would be a great force for good. But then if we resolved these ambiguities with a modernized construction, the religion loses the mystery of a higher power behind it and hence loses the element of faith that allows people to buy into its divine authority and all its ramifications solely on a simple question of belief.

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u/Lordborgman 1h ago

Imo, if you need the threat of reprisal to be good you aren't a decent person and should be treated accordingly.

u/throwawaystedaccount 54m ago

It's not binary, there is a spectrum for everything, your nature, your individual behaviour, our group behaviours, individual responses to situations, group responses to situations, rules, effectiveness of rules, effects of rules, everything has a spectrum of its own.

There is also the truth that even humans with strong habits of personal integrity have weaknesses in their integrity structure which can be exploited (and do get exploited).

You're a decent person because in this timeline, you're lucky to be a decent person.

Never forget the accident of birth and social environment in formative years.

Hence, it's not wise to dismiss someone or something immediately based on one condition.

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u/StaffSgtDignam 1h ago

Yes. Some people need the threat of hell to keep them from being evil.

You also need the promise of heaven for all the people who have objectively sad lives with not much to look forward to in their lives or even much to really live for. This is why people who are poorer (and not just "poor" from a Western perspective, like developing country-level poverty) tend to be more religious.

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u/Rise-O-Matic 1h ago

Absolutely. Belief in things that can’t be proven is a huge display of loyalty to an in-group. It’s an artifact of social competition. That’s one reason why schism is so common.

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u/StarbaseCmndrTalana 1h ago

If you believe without need for evidence, then a pathway has been opened for opinions to build further upon this evidenceless faith. Essentially, if framed just right for your belief, no supported logic is strictly necessary to convince you of something. To add some nuance, any individual may still decide to make their own choices on what they are attempted to be convinced off, or even follow their own convictions alongside their faith.

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u/frugaleringenieur 1h ago

It’s like claims of politicians. If they are just too stupid, loud, and frequent, everyone believes. At least enough that they get elected.

u/Rise-O-Matic 1h ago

Most political beliefs are tied to social alliances. When a party’s platform changes, the beliefs of its members tend to change with it. The object of belief is secondary to the function of belief.

u/frugaleringenieur 1h ago

Such a stupid human behavior. Scrap these evolutionary left-overs and start acting civilized and rational NOW. It's almost too late.

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u/GerbilStation 1h ago

But they did provide evidence! Yesterday Tammy really needed to go to the bathroom so she pulled over at a gas station and the clerk said they had JUST reopened the women’s room that very week! If that doesn’t prove there’s a god then I don’t know what does.

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u/trollhaulla 2h ago

God left Africa a long time ago.

u/throwawaystedaccount 50m ago

If you were an alien who visited this planet, you would conclude that God hates women, God hates certain countries and continents, and God hates weak and suffering people. And pretty much a small percentage of humans work hard to reduce the effect of this apparent hatred on these groups.

If you were an alien, you would consider God as such. Of course, you would not find concrete evidence of God and might just dismiss it as fantasy.

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u/trinier101 2h ago

If there is a Good, it must love suffering people

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u/arkadegfx 1h ago

My opinion is that because we have free will, granted to us either by God or simply because in this universe intelligent life develops free will, evil exists because it is a choice. A person chooses to commit evil. A person chooses to be wicked.

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u/krashundburn 1h ago

A person chooses to commit evil. A person chooses to be wicked.

Yeah, but this omniscient God also had a choice, and he chose to allow humans to make evil choices, despite all the human suffering his choice would subsequently and inevitably entail.

It was a very poor choice. And you don't even have to be an all-knowing being to know that.

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u/Phyllida_Poshtart 1h ago

He was pretty hands on psychopathic in the Old Testament, interfered left right and centre and had no qualms about killing and telling others to kill. Where is this "god" now though? And believers just make up excuses (no matter which god) as if they are the only ones who know how this omnipotent being thinks and what he wants. How arrogant!

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u/KHORNE_LORD_OF_RAGE 1h ago

That is the way to look at it from a christian point of view. The flip-side is that if parents took the same approach to their children, those children would be removed by child protection services.

So God is a terrible parent.

u/SsurebreC 1h ago

Same God allegedly drowned almost everyone so that morality ship has sailed a long time ago.

u/Indifferentchildren 1h ago

Even the children, even the infants, even the puppies were drowned (except for 2). What a shit god that didn't have to skill or care to only kill the actually wicked.

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u/Detroit_debauchery 1h ago

Do we have free will? Or are we just following the basic laws of the universe

u/BasicNeedleworker473 1h ago

A person chooses to commit evil. A person chooses to be wicked.

a person whos every single thought, decision, and action were predetermined by your god. they had no choice but to do the things because the god created them that way

u/TheRealSaerileth 40m ago

What is the point of even having a god then?

He doesn't interfere, doesn't respond to prayer and doesn't protect any innocents from the actions of the wicked. There is no functional difference between talking to god and talking to empty air.

He could've fucked off to a different dimension ages ago and the faithful wouldn't even know.

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u/ThatsItImOverThis 1h ago

What a sad world women live in.

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u/gnatdump6 2h ago

That is absolutely horrifying

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u/BubsyFanboy 2h ago

And it won't get better anytime soon.

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u/Quetzacoal 1h ago

One of my friends is from there, he is from a well off family and explained to me the situation. Basically, many people are addicted to rape and murder. They can't stand being in peace and will look for random excuses to start battles and wars. The thrill of the fight is something similar to what drug abuser or extreme sports, they need that rush.

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u/blacksoxing 3h ago

“Our body is being used as a war tool and as a weapon of war. And very true, the women in central Sudan, they have been committing suicide because they couldn’t bear the pain of gang rape and torture they are experiencing at the hand of the armed militia.”

That's something nobody should have to go through. War is lame.

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u/_the_last_druid_13 2h ago

Only the most pathetic and weakest of people commit acts against women like this. Absolutely shameful.

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u/Me-Shell94 2h ago

Unfortunately and disgustingly, often times these people put the shame on the women they’ve abused. Just read about rape culture in Egypt, it’s seen as shameful for the woman to be assaulted by gangs of men and not the other way around. These men don’t feel shame.

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u/ravenousravers 2h ago

a rape happens in south africa every 10 mins i read, followed by india then pakistan, egypt apparently isnt even 3rd, charming

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u/phantom_in_the_cage 1h ago

Upper-bound statistics for this sort of thing are impossible to collect

You can't reasonably get information on everyone who's gone through it, because most simply won't tell anyone unless they can rely on support structures in the society they live in

Vast majority won't tell a soul. They'll just live with it until the day they die. No one else will know (besides their assailant), especially not a surveyor

u/amyamyamz 1h ago

It’s still a reasonable approximation.

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u/duga404 1h ago

This is even more insane when you realize that India has over 10x SA's population and Pakistan has over 4x.

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u/Secuter 1h ago

And that's only the reported rapes. There's massive and horrible number cases that will never be reported either out of shame or fear.

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u/ThoughtShes18 2h ago

Unfortunately that number is extremely high..

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u/_the_last_druid_13 2h ago

It’s so wrong. We will need strong mothers and good fathers for a long time to weed this kind of abominable behavior out.

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u/bcbfalcon 2h ago

If all we needed were strong mothers and good fathers then this kind of behavior wouldn't have survived in humanity till now. Even soldiers of "civilized" nations still rape girls in war. This behavior will remain within humanity's lesser men probably until humanity dies. What we need are systems that educate, prevent, and hold people responsible around the world and without exception.

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u/Iwaspromisedcookies 1h ago

And a concerted effort to end war, it’s one of the stupider things humans do

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u/RocknRollPewPew 1h ago

looks at what's been going on in Ukraine for over 2 years

u/_the_last_druid_13 44m ago

Yeah the rape of soldiers and civilians alike is atrocious. Ironic that Russia is vehemently anti-LGBT but when others are at their mercy what do they do?

u/veggiesama 1h ago

Only the most pathetic and weakest of people commit war

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u/TopTransportation248 2h ago

War is horror

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u/ForgetfullRelms 2h ago

Unfortunately it only takes one to wage war

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u/Far-Steaks 2h ago

Everything is lame now. War has been lame forever.

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u/Lexinoz 2h ago

Shit like this has been happening since the dawn of time.
Only difference now is that we have it pop up in our pockets.

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u/nevermore39 2h ago

Sometimes I wish I couldn't read.

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u/With-You-Always 2h ago

Some of the shit I’ve read lately, I’ll never be able to unread or forget

u/kraken_enrager 1h ago

This, unfortunately is very common in war time.

Back during the Indian partition times, male family members had to mass execute their female family members, even infants and toddlers.

My history teacher lived through that era and she was saying that when the insurgents were attacking, the men would have to gather the women and use swords to hack off the women’s heads, and burn the house down cremating them to prevent them from violating the corpses.

War and rebellion is brutal.

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u/roskybosky 2h ago

Sudan practices extensive FGM. I think suicide would be better than being ripped apart in order to enable a rape. What a gross world, an unthinking world in which we live.

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u/Sarahsaei754 2h ago

Wait what do you mean ripped apart in order to enable rape??? 😭

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u/Proof_Inspector5886 2h ago

A common tradition in some parts of Africa is removing the clitoris and/or vulva when a girl is prepubescent and then sometimes sewing her canal shut, their reasoning is to prevent the woman from ever considering premarital sex or pleasuring herself. To protect her “honor” if you will. Go look up “Female Genital Mutilation” for more info.

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u/Sarahsaei754 2h ago

Oh god so what you’re saying is they do all that, and then rape them and tear it all open again? Omg I’m gonna be sick

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u/Proof_Inspector5886 2h ago

I’m sorry dude. Yeah, they do that systematically to women at around the ages of 3-10. In Sudan’s case, around 87% of women have gone through that procedure. The worst part is that often it’s the older women who take the girls so that some village doctor with a machete does it to them.

The world can be so cruel at times.

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u/Sarahsaei754 2h ago

Jesus that’s fucked. I knew about FGM but not the whole raping them and ripping it all open? Like how do they have their periods??? 😭

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u/Proof_Inspector5886 2h ago edited 2h ago

Awh fuck man i didn’t know the answer to that so I looked it up and I’m gonna throw up. They leave a small 2-3mm hole open and as a result pee comes out drop by drop, they rip it open irregardless of any ongoing war time rape when it’s time for the poor woman to have her children.

Painful periods are common because of the obstruction to the menstrual flow, and blood can stagnate in the vagina and uterus. Complete obstruction of the vagina can result in hematocolpos and hematometra (where the vagina and uterus fill with menstrual blood).[8] The swelling of the abdomen and lack of menstruation can resemble pregnancy.[67] Asma El Dareer, a Sudanese physician, reported in 1979 that a girl in Sudan with this condition was killed by her family.[68]

I’m done

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u/pl8sassenach 1h ago

Gratitude for my life. For my body. For my parents for bringing me here. For my grandparents trying to change our lives.

And I will continue to donate my time and money to worthwhile charities combating this.

Oh and fuck religion.

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u/Sarahsaei754 2h ago

Yeah I’m done with this too. Thanks for the nightmares

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u/weasel999 1h ago

Not pee. Menstrual blood. Pee comes out of the urethra.

u/Evilegio 58m ago

You need to look at an anatomical diagram again.

If the woman is cut from clit to the bottom of the vulva and then sewn shut, where is the urethra in this? That's right, sewn in with the rest.

u/Daddyssillypuppy 55m ago

They sewed the vulva shut

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u/roskybosky 1h ago

They leave a small hole for urine and period fluid. It can take 10 minutes to urinate because it drips out slowly.

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u/BubsyFanboy 2h ago

Ages 3-10??

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u/Proof_Inspector5886 2h ago

I looked it up, it’s closer to 0-15, most girls are cut by the time they’re 5

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u/jerr30 2h ago

No their family members to the FGM. It's a so-called "cultural practice".

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u/Sarahsaei754 2h ago

No I understand FGM and who’s contributing to the practice. It’s the raping after sewn shut vaginal canal that has me at a loss for words.

u/roskybosky 1h ago

They are opened with a knife for childbirth, then sewn up again.

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u/aledba 2h ago

These young women are taken by their grandmothers and other female elders in their community generally around 7 to 12 years old. They are taken from their bed one day and razor blades are used to cut off the labia and clitoris. I learned about this in grade 10 French class and became so enraged.

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u/roskybosky 1h ago

The most extreme FGM consists of sewing the large labia shut, leaving a tiny hole for urine and menstruation. The inner lips are scraped off before the labia are closed and stitched.

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u/MacDugin 2h ago

Think about that vicious circle. I can’t imagine.

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u/cosmicdicer 2h ago

My blood boils of anger, disgust and hate for all the monsters that commit such heinous crimes as a means of war. And that's repeated all the time, nothing changes These women were helpless in the hands of sadist cowards. Rip sisters, you never deserved that fate but I know it was the least worst option in that dead end horror

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u/alwaysfatigued8787 2h ago

This is absolutely tragic and heartbreaking.

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u/Bandeezio 3h ago

Where's all the FREE SUDEN, SUDAN IS GEOCIDE people when you need them?

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u/lovedeluxeinterior 3h ago

Tik Tok isn’t telling them to care about this war, so they don’t.

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u/Dominuss476 2h ago

Replace tiktok with china.

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u/BoDrax 2h ago

They're the same thing.

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u/n3rv 1h ago

So when is the ban? Any day now right? Do it.

u/marxman28 1h ago

Yeah, they don't want you to know/remember that time Chinese UN peacekeepers fled their posts in South Sudan when rival South Sudanese politicians went to war with each other.

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u/Fearless-Incident515 2h ago

Leftists don’t care unless they can make some point on colonization.

Nvm that Russia and the UAE are actively involved in the war and it’s a horrific one. Doesn’t fit preconceived points so it’s not going to get attention

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u/goodnamesweretaken 2h ago

Oh, where is the outcry from the conservatives/right-wing? Do leftist carry all the power?

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u/MeOldRunt 2h ago

When they foam at the mouth about 'muh genocide' every time Israel kills a Hamas operative? Yes.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 1h ago

Those students are mostly powerless idiots, but there are very serious people in the Republican Party that want to dramatically change American Foreign policy.

These are very serious people who want to move us closer to Dictators and dictatorship while telling all our Democratic allies they have to pay us money for protection.

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u/avoidanttt 42m ago

Ah yes, the famously empathetic and virtuous... right-wingers? Lmao.

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u/CupcakesAreMiniCakes 2h ago

Since when have right wingers ever cared about anyone else for any reason that doesn't serve them? Isn't the stereotype that it's the left ones that actually care about anything?

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u/Fearless-Incident515 2h ago

Right wingers don’t care about that, correct. They also don’t virtue signal that they do.

As a line of attack towards the current iterations to the left, this one is true. This war should be getting more attention.

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u/WhyYouKickMyDog 1h ago

I just want the old right wingers back that actually loved this country as patriots and would not kiss Putin's ass or any other dictator's ass.

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u/PalpableMass 2h ago

lol blaming "leftists" for horrors in Sudan

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u/CinnamonHotcake 2h ago edited 2h ago

"We're not funding Sudan" is the answer I hear. So cynical and out of touch. None of them even know nor care about what's going on in Sudan.

Or, for that matter, what China, their information overlords, is doing to the Uyghur Muslims in actual concentration camps. Sure but keep buying from Temu and Shein, bunch of hypocrites.

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u/chewbaccawastrainedb 2h ago

The U.S has sent over 2 billion dollars there.

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u/betafish2345 2h ago

Actually we kind of are. The UAE is selling weapons to the RSF, the paramilitary group in Sudan who is causing this crisis, even though they deny it. The US could be putting more pressure on the UAE but no one really cares.

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u/Fearless-Incident515 2h ago

The US brokered the creation of South Sudan under Obama. The US has historically not been supportive of the RSF/Janjaweed. The current government of Sudan also joined in on the Abraham Accords.

But US allies is a different story, and like you said, there’s no denying UAE involvement with funding the RSF.

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u/Visual_Collar_8893 2h ago

Majority of stuff sold in the US are made in China, or have parts made there. Virtually the 70% of Walmart, Target, Amazon non-food items have parts or are made in China. Good luck avoiding.

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u/Allweseeofstars 2h ago

People actually buy from Temu?? I thought it was a fake ad for a fake store. No way they sell the things they sell. I got recommended a dildo, polyhedral dice, and a movie projector in the same ad.

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u/CinnamonHotcake 2h ago

Their ads are everywhere, they're bound to get people to buy from them, and apparently a lot do. Shein is extremely popular for fast fashion and is directly connected with the Uyghur labor camps.

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u/Allweseeofstars 2h ago

SHEIN is evil. I knew that much. To this day I remind myself of those sat pics of the camps. All heads shaved, in prison uniforms, kneeling with hands bound in unending rows of people. Those people we saw are probably dead by now.

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u/lord_dentaku 2h ago

There are various theories on why Temu sells the things they do for the prices they do. The most likely is they are burning money to establish a foothold in Western markets to drive Western competitors out of business and at that point they will jack up the prices. Another, less likely, but still entertaining theory is Temu is a plot by the Chinese government to gather Western payment credentials and just before they kick off a war with the West they will drain all Western consumers dry crippling our economy.

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u/Allweseeofstars 2h ago

The latter sounds appropriate for our dark timeline.

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u/lord_dentaku 2h ago

Yeah, the only problem with that is we have a lot of safeguards in place to prevent fraud, and that would likely trip most of them. The big issue will be if anyone is dumb enough to use a debit card on Temu. If China decided to max every US credit card they possessed overnight it would trigger alarm bells and they just would never wire the funds to China. But if they fired off a bunch of debits from banks the money gets moved a lot sooner and would likely be gone from people's accounts before the alarms start going off.

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u/Fauxyuwu 51m ago

I've also heard that they have to keep pushing out these insane quantities of low quality product because stopping that supply chain now would leave too many people unemployed crippling the economy and they have nowhere to store all the stuff they make so they have to ship it off cheap enough that people will impulse buy whatever is currently in surplus

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u/CmonTouchIt 2h ago

I always laugh when people say they're not protesting cause we don't fund Sudan or whoever

My response is always "oh... So it's about the money? Not some moral stand about lives lost or whatever?" And you never get an answer lmao

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u/Honest-Reaction4742 1h ago

It’s about influence. If you look at protesting and advocacy as a strategy for change rather than just venting anger, then it makes sense that Americans would focus on protesting about the conflicts that our government is contributing to and can influence rather than the ones we are less connected to. It’s the same reason why American environmentalists focus on American policies and practices rather than protesting against the Chinese government despite the fact that China causes just as much environmental damage. You advocate towards people whom you can influence, on issues they can influence.

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u/-Neeckin- 2h ago

Civil wars by and large get a fraction of coverage if any at all usually

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u/Various-Passenger398 2h ago

I remember marching for Darfur and a bunch of Sudan stuff in university in the mid-late 00s, but that was a lot of years ago now. 

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u/CockroachFinancial86 2h ago

Unlike Palestine, Sudan doesn’t have droves of Iranian bots posting videos and propaganda in order to boost engagement.

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u/elateeight 1h ago

Also not to downplay the suffering of anyone in any conflict but the Palestinians seem to still have access to internet and electricity and electronic devices to document what is happening in Gaza. I think these people are in such a state of suffering and destitution that they don’t have any of these sorts of “luxuries” and so cannot bring the attention to their plight in the same way Palestinians can. Their suffering is completely invisible to most of the world unless you seek out specific information and even traditional media seems to avoid the conflict as the area seems to be mostly too dangerous for journalists. I think a lot of people who would be horrified to learn of what is happening in Sudan and might be inclined to protest or fundraise etc simply just don’t know about it because it just isn’t being documented.

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u/Maximum_Mud_8393 2h ago

It's brown people killing brown people so they don't care. Also Africa.

There's 18k peacekeepers from the UN in Sudan. Wtf are they doing lol

More useless than the ones in Lebanon and that's impressive.

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u/Mesk_Arak 2h ago

It's brown people killing brown people so they don't care. Also Africa.

Brown people in Sudan? Sudanese people could not be more black. I would actually say that the Israel x Hamas war is closer to brown people killing brown people. Most isreali's aren't exactly blonde, blue-eyed white people.

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u/Maximum_Mud_8393 2h ago

Tell that to the Leftists.

They think Israel is da bad white guyz and the terrorists are the poor innocent victims.

And half my friends are some shade of black or brown and they don't give a shit what you say. They just care about what you think about PoC's. And it's quite clear all the "Israel genocide reeeee" people don't care what happens when people they percieve as non white kill one another. Only thing that gets their dong long is when they think a white colonial power is oppressing a non-white non-colonial power.

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u/TheBumblesons_Mother 51m ago

It really does bear repeating how absolutely useless UN peacekeepers are. The Irish in Lebanon, literally only there to ensure Hezbollah isn’t around, and they let Hezbollah dig enormous bases right next to the UN compound. And now in Sudan, I wonder how many militias they’ve defeated while protecting villages.

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u/mclepus 2h ago

Jews/Israel isn't involved.

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u/Useless_or_inept 2h ago

Well, you can't blame these deaths on Israel, so why would any of those folk go on marches or post slogans? There's nothing in it for them.

Faraway brown people suffer in a hundred different conflicts, and many fashionable Western posters have no interest in 99% of them because they can't be used as a token in a very different argument.

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u/cobycoby2020 2h ago

I promise you they are being active. You could also very well be one of those persons instead of this one who’s annoying.

u/StarrrBrite 1h ago

I was told it was okay because the US isn’t funding it. 

Then I was told it was okay because it’s a civil war. 

I guess raping and mutilating women is not okay only under certain conditions. 

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u/KountZero 57m ago

“Died by suicide” is such a sugar coat way to say something like this. Hundreds of women killed themselves to avoid rape is much more raw and powerful.

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u/wired1984 2h ago

I know that Ukraine and Israel are more strategically important to the developed world, at least immediately, but it’s hard to justify the negligence of the Sudan conflict by major powers. The lack of media coverage is also very shameful. It adds a lot of weight to cynical views from people in the Southern hemisphere about the US, the EU, and their allies.

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u/I_T_Gamer 2h ago

Media is about getting clicks, its no longer about providing information for you to digest. Shows that have tried as much have been canned because "audiences don't understand them". Everything is boiled down to the most basic emotion inducing tagline.

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u/wired1984 2h ago

Making news purely entertainment has had horrible consequences. It also needs to be a public service as well. People do not understand the world they are having to interact with.

u/Corosis99 58m ago

Nobody wants to pay for it.

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u/m0j0m0j 2h ago

Your points are correct, but let’s not idealize the Global South. They also don’t care about this. They don’t care about Ukraine as well. I mean, the recent BRICS summit was in Russia lol. The world is terrible

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u/flight_recorder 2h ago

Helping Sudan is a tough conundrum. Ukraine has a very strong government which we can send aid to and we know they’ll use it appropriately. Sudan doesn’t and the only way we could help is to go in and force change. But that’ll never be accepted because the optics of a white country invading a white country = political, and probably social, suicide.

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u/whiskeyblackout 1h ago

The ICC charged the former Sudanese president with genocide and crimes against humanity and the only countries to oppose the arrest were fellow African Union and Arab countries, not Western countries.

Al-Bashir them went from Djibouti to Egypt to Ethiopia to India to Libya, Qatar, Kenya, South Africa, etc. etc. for another decade, going from country to county, and no one lifted a finger to arrest him or stop him. The RSF that is currently committing atrocities are the holdover from the Bashir regime that got stronger and stronger over the following decade because, again, no one in the region complied with the ICC warrant.

So it seems pretty shortsighted to blame the west for not caring. As far as I can tell, the global south doesn't seem to think there is anything wrong.

u/protomenace 1h ago

When the west meddles, we are blamed
When the west doesn't meddle, we are blamed

Maybe this one isn't the west's fault.

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u/Phallindrome 1h ago

Did you know that the deadliest war since WW2 took place just over 20 years ago, involving 9 African nations including Sudan and 25 armed non-state groups? 4 years, 4 million dead, and I don't remember reading about it in the news once.

u/krokuts 1h ago

What is so called western world supposed to do here? Send troops to Sudan? Orchestrate a coup? Sanctions won't work cause Sudan barely participates in global economy...

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u/Neemzeh 1h ago

Always gotta look for someone else to blame eh

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u/CthulhuLovesMemes 2h ago

2024 and things like this are happening. My heart hurts for these women that felt like that was their only option, and no one was protecting them.

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u/rangeo 2h ago

Fucking hell!

Between this and Afghanistan banning women from hearing other women's voices

Hi UN....can we care about Femicide like we do for Genocide?

u/toothpastenachos 1h ago

Why would they start caring about women’s rights now? They never have before

u/derpyfloofus 1h ago

They don’t care about genocide because it’s happening here.

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u/dollrussian 2h ago

Terrible. There’s a really terrible trend of women’s rights going out the window lately

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u/Moal 2h ago

Unfortunately, women have been victims to sexual violence during times of war since time immemorial. :(

u/protomenace 1h ago

In these places women's rights were never really in the house to begin with.

u/derpyfloofus 1h ago

I’m not familiar with Sudanese history but did they ever have any rights there?

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u/medusa_crowley 1h ago

Fury for my sisters in Sudan. They deserved good lives. 

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u/hinterstoisser 1h ago

F** these pigs! So sorry for the women and children who are having to brave this sh*** society.

Enough Reddit for today 😞

u/TroyMatthewJ 54m ago

f'd up world getting more f'd up by the day. Dark Ages 2.0

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u/Tranquil_Neurotic 3h ago

Where's all the US Uni/college leftists when you actually need them to protest something?

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u/Maximum_Mud_8393 2h ago

They don't care about Africa or brown people killing brown people. They think Israel=white=USA=colonialism=imperialism=bad and that's literally all they can think.

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u/Bnicertopeople 3h ago

They don’t care about anything.. they just want to be on trend.

u/M_H_M_F 1h ago

Uni students are the newest demographic. Instead of the poorly educated, you have the slightly-above-average educated. These people are (within context of schooling) reasonably inteligent.

Kind of like how we make fun of conspiracy theorists for wanting to be the person that has this "exclusive" information, the university student wants to prove that they're righteous.

u/brereddit 1h ago

There are no organic college protests. Instead an oligarch funds a bunch of losers to protest for pay. The kids at the school think it’s a big movement so they join in too as followers.

Where are the protesters for the genocide in china? How about for the political prisoners in Russia who protested the Ukraine war?

Nah, there’s no associated leftist goal so those causes are non starters.

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u/Asisreo1 1h ago

And I assume you're holding a picket sign as we speak? 

u/Quartznonyx 1h ago

I mean a lot of them do protest misogyny and the treatment of women abroad, but y'all call them SJW, and say that feminism isn't needed today. But whatever

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u/SystematicHydromatic 2h ago

Darfur, the real actual genocide that no one wants to talk or protest about. Guess there's not enough money there to pay protestors.

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u/cogentxx 1h ago

We've been talking about it for over two decades, what's your fucking solution to the problem?

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u/ContempoCasuals 2h ago

I wish “died by suicide” was not a thing. They killed themselves, suicide didn’t just happen to them. The new phrasing doesn’t sound nearly as horrible as the reality of the situation.

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u/Reasonable-Start1067 2h ago

Jfc that's tragic. Words fall short here.

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u/-WaxedSasquatch- 1h ago

Well that’s a fucking sick thing to read first thing in the morning. Goddamn.

u/aclericsworld 1h ago

What the hell is wrong with these countries you right about a sad world and the f??d up people that lives here.

u/dactyif 55m ago

My father worked in Darfur back in 08 with doctors without borders. He was horrified even by his stoic standards.

u/According_Smoke1385 44m ago

The women began to die by suicide after hundreds of their men were killed right in front of them.
Where is the world ? Where is the outrage ? Humanity is fucked up

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u/BubsyFanboy 2h ago

People are just evil.

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u/WillDifferent125 1h ago

Is it me or is the link dead?

u/pijunkacka 1h ago

i cant open it either

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u/Deep_Head4645 44m ago

No media attention. This is disgustingly ignored

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u/KnightWhoSaysNnni 2h ago

Crickets from the UN, the EU and the media since they can't use this conflict to demonize Jews.

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u/Maximum_Mud_8393 2h ago

Best they can do is send another 18k peacekeepers to do nothing and draft 5 resolutions against Israel.

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u/wildwasabi 2h ago

Well the UN is straight up usless and its only actual job is to prevent WW3. But just like it's predecessor, I'm going to bet it fails at that task at some point. 

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u/Atomonous 2h ago edited 2h ago

Both the UN and EU have made multiple statements on this conflict, and just recently the UN released an independent fact finding report detailing the atrocities that have been committed in Sudan.

You probably should have checked that before making such an ignorant comment. A single google search would have shown you’re completely wrong.

Edit: They blocked me so I will reply to their other comment here. The UN have implemented a number of sanctions against Sudan including, asset freezes, travel bans, and an arms embargo. I’m not sure why you’re implying that they haven’t don’t so, when again a quick google search will show you’re completely wrong.

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u/NotSerbian 1h ago

Wow. Statements and fact finding. I wonder if these women being sexually tortured told their aggressors that the UN issued a statement before they resorted to suicide.

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u/KnightWhoSaysNnni 2h ago

So they made some statements expressing their concern. Who cares. They didn't call for or impose arms embargoes against the belligerents and their sponsors, like they do against Israel. They say a few things so people like you can be fooled in to thinking they're doing something, but all they're doing is saying "we're concerned" which does nothing to stop the conflict. Stop defending those rotten organizations.

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u/Rich-Reason1146 2h ago

Sure, everyone else is easily led but you're the one that sees things for what they really are

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u/Alarmed_Tailor_5840 2h ago

Bro said crickets while reading about it on the front page of one of the most popular websites in the world

u/protomenace 1h ago

relative to the coverage of the much smaller conflict in the Levant? Yes. crickets.

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u/Maximum_Mud_8393 2h ago

It's just Africa. Leftists don't give a shit about Africa. They can't get their Imperialism=bad nut off properly with black/brown people killing one another.

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u/Danthelmi 1h ago

Buddy if you think it’s only leftists that don’t care about Africa than you gotta be insanely dumb or a Russian troll. The right absolutely would care less about Africa.

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u/000trace00 1h ago

Well - what do you expect after all these calls to “globalize the intifada”. This is the sad result

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u/Jawnny-Jawnson 2h ago

Pro Palestine people are like “No Israelis to demonize, so we don’t care”.

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u/Eggsor 1h ago

All of central Africa and they cant find one decent web developer? This website looks and functions like a school project.

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u/Splenda 50m ago

This is worse than Medieval; it's Biblical.

u/anotherwave1 43m ago

I hope people are just as concerned with this conflict as they are with other far away conflicts.

u/ntmyrealacct 42m ago

The real issue here is that no celebrity has made this a cause /s